Tom Brady Was the Most-Hit QB in the League, from 2006-2007

WhiZa said:

Kitna lead the league in most times sacked in 2006 AND 2007, but he doesn't make it into the top 5? I question the basis of these stats.

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Hits usually do not include sacks, just as pressures do not include either hits or sacks.

I believe mav's point was that hits were much more dangerous than sacks to a QB, e.g. Bernard Polley's hit.

maverick4 said:

And if it really is a talent issue at O-line, why do we call so many slow developing pass plays that our O-line can't handle without help?

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Because of arrogance & the Randy Ratio. In their ego-driven quest to break records - both real & imagined - but not win a Championship, the coaches decided to expose Brady with minimal protection behind an overrated OLine who made their undeserved reputation because of Brady's computer-fast information proccessor. The Dink & Dunk won SuperBowls because Brady could find & throw accurately to the best open receiver before the pass-rush could push aside "Pro-Bowl" (snicker) LT Matt Light & the rest of the "try-hard, injury-prone stiffs" (Nolan Nawrocki).

I was disappointed & disgusted when, on Opening Day vs. KC, the Offense began their first drive with - you guessed it - an empty backfield, shotgun snap, spread formation. Did these arrogant fools not learn ANYTHING from the Super Bowl? How about at least pretending, just a little, that you might possibly run the ball? Why give the other team only half as much about which to worry? Why?

As soon as Moss was traded here, I feared that, in their zeal to make him happy, the Offense would change from a Championship-Winning, Dink & Dunking, Keep 'em Guessing, Well-Balanced, No-Nonsense machine to a Phoney-Baloney Record-Breaking, Greatest Show on Turfing, Run & Shooting, Easy-Defending diva of an offense, an offense whose manhood we used to RIDICULE on other teams during the Dynasty years of 2001-04.

Unless the Offense returns to the Dynasty system, and the talent at the Tackles (and poss. Center) is upgraded, then Bill has already won his last SB as HC of the NEP. And SeaBass, Cornburger & Bustey do NOT count as upgrades.

unoriginal said:

Hits usually do not include sacks, just as pressures do not include either hits or sacks.

I believe mav's point was that hits were much more dangerous than sacks to a QB, e.g. Bernard Polley's hit.

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I think he probably just saw some article and didn't think to add them together.

unoriginal said:

Hits usually do not include sacks, just as pressures do not include either hits or sacks.

I believe mav's point was that hits were much more dangerous than sacks to a QB, e.g. Bernard Polley's hit.

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Well, that is really subjective. Many hits are slight contact when a player pulls up after the QB releases the ball (probably a majority of them), but cannot stop his momentum completely or may have an arm hit them as a player tries to strip the ball out of his hand or disrupt his throwing motion. Sacks are just as dangerous as hits. If you sack a QB from the blindside, they are just as likely to get hurt as someone hitting him after he has released the ball since they are unprotected in both cases.

As for Bernard Pollard hit, that one was unavoidable by any scheme since Pollard was knocked to the ground because of a good block by Faulk. I don't know how a hit or a sack would be different though. Brady was hit in his throwing motion and that could have easily been considered a sack if he ended up pulling the ball down rather than releasing it. The only time a hit is more dangerous than a sack is a late hit after the QB has gone through his throwing motion and leaves himself unprotected. The case where Brady tore his ACL was not such a case. It could have easily been a sack since Brady was hit before his arm really started coming forward.

Here is a slowmo of the hit (sorry for the people who can't stand watching it again). Someone need to rationally explain how a different scheme would have prevented this injury.

YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

captain stone said:

Because of arrogance & the Randy Ratio. In their ego-driven quest to break records - both real & imagined - but not win a Championship, the coaches decided to expose Brady with minimal protection behind an overrated OLine who made their undeserved reputation because of Brady's computer-fast information proccessor. The Dink & Dunk won SuperBowls because Brady could find & throw accurately to the best open receiver before the pass-rush could push aside "Pro-Bowl" (snicker) LT Matt Light & the rest of the "try-hard, injury-prone stiffs" (Nolan Nawrocki).

I was disappointed & disgusted when, on Opening Day vs. KC, the Offense began their first drive with - you guessed it - an empty backfield, shotgun snap, spread formation. Did these arrogant fools not learn ANYTHING from the Super Bowl? How about at least pretending, just a little, that you might possibly run the ball? Why give the other team only half as much about which to worry? Why?

As soon as Moss was traded here, I feared that, in their zeal to make him happy, the Offense would change from a Championship-Winning, Dink & Dunking, Keep 'em Guessing, Well-Balanced, No-Nonsense machine to a Phoney-Baloney Record-Breaking, Greatest Show on Turfing, Run & Shooting, Easy-Defending diva of an offense, an offense whose manhood we used to RIDICULE on other teams during the Dynasty years of 2001-04.

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could you please shut up?

Rob0729 said:

Well, that is really subjective. Many hits are slight contact when a player pulls up after the QB releases the ball (probably a majority of them), but cannot stop his momentum completely or may have an arm hit them as a player tries to strip the ball out of his hand or disrupt his throwing motion. Sacks are just as dangerous as hits. If you sack a QB from the blindside, they are just as likely to get hurt as someone hitting him after he has released the ball since they are unprotected in both cases.

As for Bernard Pollard hit, that one was unavoidable by any scheme since Pollard was knocked to the ground because of a good block by Faulk. I don't know how a hit or a sack would be different though. Brady was hit in his throwing motion and that could have easily been considered a sack if he ended up pulling the ball down rather than releasing it. The only time a hit is more dangerous than a sack is a late hit after the QB has gone through his throwing motion and leaves himself unprotected. The case where Brady tore his ACL was not such a case. It could have easily been a sack since Brady was hit before his arm really started coming forward.

Here is a slowmo of the hit (sorry for the people who can't stand watching it again). Someone need to rationally explain how a different scheme would have prevented this injury.

YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

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Quibble: Morris, not Faulk. Faulk was serving his suspension for having the drugs on him. And by such a small thing was the season ruined.

anyone have the hits from 2005? 02, 05-06 were the worst. It's amazing he didn't miss any games those seasons.

Pats726 said:

There's a lot of stats here...and really one needs to understand MORE before one can truly jusge what is to be done. There are reasons for the hits as well as the nature of the hits, which this stat does not take into account...a tap is a HIT as is a nasty collision. I think a lot of assumptions are being drawn from ONLY the number of hits...and that is a big mistake.

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I totally agree. We are judging this based on an article that only gives one stat for two years with no context whatsoever. If sacks don't count as hits, how did Brady stack up over those two years vs. other QBs when you factor sacks and hits together. How many times was Brady knocked to the ground (a decent indication of a real hit vs. minor incidental contact)? What are the stats for Brady in this category for other years? What the number of hits the the most hit QB in 2005 and 2004 or any two other consecutive years?

Deus Irae said:

Quibble: Morris, not Faulk. Faulk was serving his suspension for having the drugs on him. And by such a small thing was the season ruined.

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Yep, I always screw that one up. I guess it is because I want to forget the whole game.

unoriginal said:

Tackles have been an official statistic since the 2001 season.

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While they are an official statistic, each team keeps track of them and there is no standard. In fact, most teams give out too many tackles. The Pats average 1.2 tackles per play... Which is amongst the lowest. The Colts always are the highest with close to 2 tackles per play..

unoriginal said:

Hits usually do not include sacks, just as pressures do not include either hits or sacks.

I believe mav's point was that hits were much more dangerous than sacks to a QB, e.g. Bernard Polley's hit.

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Mav's point was to try and blame Josh McDaniels and the spread offense for Brady getting hit more during the 2006 and 2007 seasons. Its just another in a long line of ignorant rants from him. He's honestly WORSE than NEM ever was with Charlie Weis.

Well I guess we need the stat for # of brady 'face plants' to decide this one.

IcyPatriot said:

Well I guess we need the stat for # of brady 'face plants' to decide this one.

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We're still waiting on Maverick to supply us with the number of hits taken by Brady on a year-by-year basis.

BradyFTW! said:

Hey, check it out guys. maverick found a new angle to go after McDaniels on.

Seriously, do you post about anything else? Did McDaniels run over your dog? Did he steal your wife?

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McDaniels played offensive line in 2006?

I didn't know that[/Carson]

They should run the ball more, but i doubt very much BB let's anyone make offensive or defensive policy he doesn't agree with.

eom said:

could you please shut up?

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actually, most of what he's saying i agree with, so you shut up,,,,

so there!

DaBruinz said:

He's honestly WORSE than NEM ever was with Charlie Weis.

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thats pretty bad

captain stone said:

I was disappointed & disgusted when, on Opening Day vs. KC, the Offense began their first drive with - you guessed it - an empty backfield, shotgun snap, spread formation. Did these arrogant fools not learn ANYTHING from the Super Bowl? How about at least pretending, just a little, that you might possibly run the ball? Why give the other team only half as much about which to worry? Why?.

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I agree with this part. I've watched that play dozens of time, and i honestly believe that Brady (like the end of 07) was holding the ball way too long in an effort to make the big strike. Whatever happened to the 'get rid of the ball quickly' Brady? Alot of people want to blame Faulk (who wasnt even there), or Morris, but i think Tommy has to take some blame.

Either way, back OT. I would like to see them run the ball more. Not because im worried about TFB, but because i want the defense to stay fresh.

maverick4 said:

There is probably a strong correlation, true. It's still a disturbing and noteworthy stat.

Off topic but if one were to try to figure out percentages or ratios, one would need to look at hits against total pass attempts, not total snaps.

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It might also be suggested that the number of hits relates to Brady's style of play, and therefore might be expected no matter how strong the protection is. Tom milks time in the pocket by shifting around and stepping forward into throws, a split second after which he's often hit. That appears to be the price paid for greatness.

Dumbest thread i've read in awhile compounded by the fact the OP just doesn't appear to be able to grasp the correlation between pass attempts and QB hits.

Its like saying there is no relationship between carries and yards rushed.

Uterr nonsense.