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Come on. Someone had to.

Isn't it weird how the NFL doesn't have any real dog mascots (I'm not counting the Browns' Dog Pound)? No bulldogs, terriers or salukis. Weird.

You may now flame away. :singing:
 
I actually read an article from Peter King just a little while ago that shows the Patriots would be among a handul of teams interested in signing Vick.

I have no problem with Vick finding work in the league, but I don't want him anywhere near New England.
 
I wouldnt mind giving Vick a shot if BB thought he could contribute... I just dont think the PR nightmare that the team would have to endure would be worth it.
 
I think we should sign Vick. He could be the third string QB, back-up return man, part-time third down back/receiver, wildcat QB.....

He could work with animal rights groups, donate money and be the example of a guy who changed his life and now does good with his fame and money....kind of like the guy who gets all screwed up on drugs and destroys a bunch of lives, then gets off the stuff and goes to schools to tell kids his sad story, the destruction and how he grew and learned....
 
Vick's history doesn't involve one or a couple of bad incidents like DUI etc. He knew what he was doing for several years and he is only sorry he got caught.
His new cuddly persona is paper thin and his questionable values and principles does not match the Pats profile at all IMHO.
 
if he came cheep, why not lol, realistically tho. only way i would want him on the pats is if real football was like madden, and it isnt so i highly doubt this will ever get talked about above the tabloids
 
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I'm still not following John Clayton's rationale that the Patriots may be interested in Vick because of Miami's wildcat offense. First of all, wouldn't an answer to what another team is doing offensively be on the defensive side of the ball? Second, even if Clayton didn't see the rematch last November, doesn't a 20-point win count for anything? And third, why is it that the Pats need Vick in response to the Dolphins, but the Bills and Jets - both of whom had less wins than the Pats and went a combined 1-3 against Miami - do not?
 
I personally do not want him anywhere near our team-first attitude, nor do I want to endure any more media BS. On top of that I don't even think he is all that talented of a football player, besides maybe being quick.

He was quoted yesterday as wanting to put football 'on the back burner' for now anyway, so the whole thought could be mute.
 
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I personally do not want him anywhere near our team-first attitude, nor do I want to endure any more media BS. On top of that I don't even think he is all that talented of a football player, besides maybe being quick.

He was quoted yesterday as wanting to put football 'on the back burner' for now anyway, so the whole thought could be mute.

On the back burner for what???

Anyway, I would never want that dog killin punk on the team personally.

With that I am out of here... ;)
 
I personally do not want him anywhere near our team-first attitude, nor do I want to endure any more media BS.
Is that because all the media BS in 2007 had us go 18-1? :D

If there ever was a team to turn a media circus to their advantage, it is BB's Patriots.
 
I'm still wondering why anyone thinks the Patriots are going to play a wildcat offense? Where is the value in taking the ball out of Tommy's hands? The current Patriots offense gives teams enough variety to defend, they don't need gimmicks other than an occasional Brady to Moss to Brady to TD play to mess with someone's head.
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Wildcat offense only made any sort of impact in ONE game last year....the first time it was used against the Pats. I don't remember seeing it work very well in any other game...and not just for Miami, but all of the teams in the NFL that tried it. I don't see the point in the Patriots trying to use it either. They have Tom Brady. Taking the ball out of his hands is dumb.

I don't want Michael Vick anywhere near the Patriots. If he does come here, I hate to say it, but I wouldn't root for them any longer.
 
I'm still wondering why anyone thinks the Patriots are going to play a wildcat offense? Where is the value in taking the ball out of Tommy's hands? The current Patriots offense gives teams enough variety to defend, they don't need gimmicks other than an occasional Brady to Moss to Brady to TD play to mess with someone's head.

I agree in a way, and I don't really care to see either Vick or P. Burress joining the team, because they both just seem like the type of people that stay stupid for life and I don't think this team really needs to worry about that sort of risk/reward ratio. However, Vick (assuming he still has his skills) could be extremely useful on the field if used as a "Slash" type of player. Imagine having both Brady and Vick in the backfield, in the shotgun, and a team having to figure out what the Patriots were going to do with the ball. Brady could pass. Vick could scramble. Vick could pass. Vick could go out in a pattern.

Now, imagine the defense dealing with that while defending against Moss, Galloway, Welker and Faulk/Watson/Maroney. Defensive Coordinators would be losing all sorts of sleep.


P.S. I think the "Wildcat" comments are really just becoming code for 'running QB'.
 
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On the back burner for what???

Anyway, I would never want that dog killin punk on the team personally.

With that I am out of here... ;)

I guess for getting his life together, finishing his legal issues/obligations, getting his bankruptcy and financial affairs in order, solving his family and marriage issues, etc.

I think he meant that those things took precedence over trying to figure out how to become reinstated, worrying about getting back into football shape, etc.

That's what I took out of it anyway.
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Wildcat offense only made any sort of impact in ONE game last year....the first time it was used against the Pats. I don't remember seeing it work very well in any other game...and not just for Miami, but all of the teams in the NFL that tried it. I don't see the point in the Patriots trying to use it either. They have Tom Brady. Taking the ball out of his hands is dumb.

I don't want Michael Vick anywhere near the Patriots. If he does come here, I hate to say it, but I wouldn't root for them any longer.

Yes, I believe the WC offense is becoming overrated, and I believe there's certainly a way to stop it--or at least keep it in check, as proved in a way. I think it has the potential to catch teams off guard, etc, and I can see why Pat White would create problems down in Miami. The oppositional matchups are in their favor, and the options are sick. I think we could certainly come up with some versions of our own with another person or persons, whether or not it's Edelman, I don't know. I don't think we'd need to bring in the most hated player in the NFL just for a few plays a game--although like some said, it'd certainly create plenty of problems for D coordinators.

First we don't even know if he'll be able to play much or contribute this year--as Goodell could make somewhat of an example out of him. He could be suspended for at the very least 6-8 games, at the most probably an entire season. Secondly, we aren't sure about his salary demands, although I'm sure they're very deflated, he was a very high paid player. I really don't think coach would agree to pay someone too much for a few plays a game. I certainly wouldn't want him as our #3 QB, I don't think he's a very good QB--but once again, that's just my opinion. It could be argued at least, that he's even been played out of position in the NFL. Third, we don't know what kind of shape he'd be in, as eating high carb jail food had to take some kind of toll on him. He may have also lost a step or two.

IMO, it's a very risky proposition, and I'm not sure the payoffs could equal it. That said, you mentioned how you couldn't root for this team anymore, and although I can understand what you're saying, I couldn't ever agree with that statement. I really don't like the whole embrace the hate idea, and I was much happier when we were more respected--as a whole, coaches and players. I think a lot feel the same way, but we have no choice at the moment. It's either embrace the hate, or choose the option that you suggested. But I see no reason in adding needless fuel to the fire, either.

Yes, the team has done quite well under media scrutiny, especially in 07, as one poster pointed out. There's no arguing in that, but it hasn't stopped since 07, actually just the opposite--so we won't entirely know how they respond until this upcoming year, and possibly the next.
 
I agree in a way, and I don't really care to see either Vick or P. Burress joining the team, because they both just seem like the type of people that stay stupid for life and I don't think this team really needs to worry about that sort of risk/reward ratio. However, Vick (assuming he still has his skills) could be extremely useful on the field if used as a "Slash" type of player. Imagine having both Brady and Vick in the backfield, in the shotgun, and a team having to figure out what the Patriots were going to do with the ball. Brady could pass. Vick could scramble. Vick could pass. Vick could go out in a pattern.

Now, imagine the defense dealing with that while defending against Moss, Galloway, Welker and Faulk/Watson/Maroney. Defensive Coordinators would be losing all sorts of sleep.


P.S. I think the "Wildcat" comments are really just becoming code for 'running QB'.
Imagine Vick throwing the ball...oops, how much better is Roddy White with a real QB? NE doesn't need anyone but Tommy throwing the ball, Vick or another running QB doesn't add enough to the offense to make it worthwhile, let Dallas or someone who likes clowns have him.
 
What I don't understand is people saying Vick "made a mistake." A MISTAKE?! No -- he knowingly, deliberately, committed both a federal crime and a spiritual crime against nature. He didn't simply "mess up." The guy has no conscience. He's dumb as a brick, not a team player, and is soft. Keep the scum away from my Patriots.
 
I think that people are really underrating the Wildcat. Of course, the Wildcat didn't work great in most of the games after the first game against the Pats, but, then again, everyone knew that they could pretty much just stick 8 guys in the box, and stop it. Now, with Miami adding Pat White, teams will no longer be able to stuff 8 guys in the box, cause if the do, he'll bomb it out for TD's. I'm certainly interested in seeing what happens with the Wildcat this year.
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Wildcat offense only made any sort of impact in ONE game last year....the first time it was used against the Pats. I don't remember seeing it work very well in any other game...and not just for Miami, but all of the teams in the NFL that tried it. I don't see the point in the Patriots trying to use it either. They have Tom Brady. Taking the ball out of his hands is dumb.

I don't want Michael Vick anywhere near the Patriots. If he does come here, I hate to say it, but I wouldn't root for them any longer.

it was all the media saying how great it was, but ur absolutely correct besides that 1 game that offense was almost worthless
 
I agree in a way, and I don't really care to see either Vick or P. Burress joining the team, because they both just seem like the type of people that stay stupid for life and I don't think this team really needs to worry about that sort of risk/reward ratio. However, Vick (assuming he still has his skills) could be extremely useful on the field if used as a "Slash" type of player. Imagine having both Brady and Vick in the backfield, in the shotgun, and a team having to figure out what the Patriots were going to do with the ball. Brady could pass. Vick could scramble. Vick could pass. Vick could go out in a pattern.

Now, imagine the defense dealing with that while defending against Moss, Galloway, Welker and Faulk/Watson/Maroney. Defensive Coordinators would be losing all sorts of sleep.


P.S. I think the "Wildcat" comments are really just becoming code for 'running QB'.
If they ever ran a play like that I would hope that TFB curls up in the fetal position. I don't want him standing around or trying to block and getting killed by a Ray Lewis.
 
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