We CAN make the cap room to sign Peppers - Unsubstantianted Claim

JSn said:

You just like to argue.

"Let's find the next Julius Peppers but if he was consistent and an OLB".

Better?

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Sounds hyperboled...

Box_O_Rocks said:

Sounds hyperboled...

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lol

I think that's knocking over pins with ADHD kids in the fetal position. Or something.

JSn said:

lol

I think that's knocking over pins with ADHD kids in the fetal position. Or something.

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That's much better then the version with the KY and icicles!

JSn said:

I was wondering about that, too.

Either way, I'm over the Peppers thing. Let's find the NEXT Julius Peppers in the draft.

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I still have a few days of this :deadhorse: left.

Frezo said:

I still have a few days of this :deadhorse: left.

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hehe, true. It's not like it's hurting anyone.

JSn said:

hehe, true. It's not like it's hurting anyone.

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Easy for you to say.....your not the donkey, :spygate:they have feelings too - just ask Jay.

So I was reading on PFT about the Saints using a 'completition bonus' that kicks in at the end of 2010 and is a method of having garuanteed money that doesn't count against the 2009 cap. Does anyone know how this works?

And by anyone I mean th experts like Miguel and Adam.

haha...yeah, as a matter of fact they do.
adam just wrote it up on his blog and linked it.....wait here while I find the link......

AdamJT13

Return of the Nizz said:

So I was reading on PFT about the Saints using a 'completition bonus' that kicks in at the end of 2010 and is a method of having garuanteed money that doesn't count against the 2009 cap. Does anyone know how this works?

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As eom mentioned, I explained it on my blog (AdamJT13).

PFT didn't quite get it correct, though. (I tried to tell Florio that in the comments, but it still hasn't shown up 10 hours later. If he moderates the comments, maybe he decided not to publish mine.) The bonuses don't kick in at the end of 2010. They're earned during the 2009 season and paid in the 2010 season. And he says they work the same way as an option bonus for reducing this year's cap hit, but that's not true. A completion bonus is much more effective because it avoids the 30 Percent Rule problem.

AdamJT13 said:

As eom mentioned, I explained it on my blog (AdamJT13).

PFT didn't quite get it correct, though. (I tried to tell Florio that in the comments, but it still hasn't shown up 10 hours later. If he moderates the comments, maybe he decided not to publish mine.) The bonuses don't kick in at the end of 2010. They're earned during the 2009 season and paid in the 2010 season. And he says they work the same way as an option bonus for reducing this year's cap hit, but that's not true. A completion bonus is much more effective because it avoids the 30 Percent Rule problem.

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Thanks Adam! I knew that either you or Miguel would know the answer. And thanks for the link eom.

So it sounds like solman was right through sheer blind luck! The claim has been substantiated! :singing:

Return of the Nizz said:

So it sounds like solman was right through sheer blind luck! The claim has been substantiated! :singing:

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Not necessarily. There is a way to do a deal that might free up some cap, but the players agreeing to it would be giving up salary they'd otherwise be seeing over 17 weeks in exchange for getting it in a lump sum AT THE END OF THE SEASON provided nothing transpired that the team could make a case constituted screwing up. That's not a real palatable situation from the players standpoint. I know if I were Faulk I wouldn't take that option. In the case of the NO players it was a way to get re-signed for the $$ you wanted (and maybe weren't being offered elsewhere). So in their case maybe it made sense for both sides.

Players don't do extensions and restructures for nothing. They almost never lose money (and only accept that when the alternative is getting cut) and often end up getting more or getting it much sooner. When a team converts salary signing bonus the player risks it being recoverable. But he also gets it in a lump sum that day...

BUt again even if it could be done..there is a overview that carries more weight in the long run..WHY do it if it will mess up the Pats salary structure??

MoLewisrocks said:

Not necessarily. There is a way to do a deal that might free up some cap, but the players agreeing to it would be giving up salary they'd otherwise be seeing over 17 weeks in exchange for getting it in a lump sum AT THE END OF THE SEASON

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Theoretically, a team could convert all but the minimum salary to a signing bonus and give it to the player up front, as they normally would. The salary increases would be much smaller each year after this, but they could make up the difference with a completion bonus (or multiple completion bonuses).

AdamJT13 said:

Theoretically, a team could convert all but the minimum salary to a signing bonus and give it to the player up front, as they normally would. The salary increases would be much smaller each year after this, but they could make up the difference with a completion bonus (or multiple completion bonuses).

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And that might work for some players, just not most I would think. Players with no history of problems determined to maintain a certain contract level might roll the dice. No reason a guy with a strong market should, and of course problem children could live to regret doing that deal. I would think completion bonuses due in 2011 or beyond might be a tough sell...

Question for you - can a team convert a roster bonus to signing bonus (for bookeeping/cap purposes) after paying it? We wondered because Brady had a $3M roster bonus due and paid the end of February and they apparently did not convert it. You would think if they were battling for cap room to maneuver they might have started there.