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mmasterkillah said:

Yes.

1 1st, 3 2nds, 2 3rds etc.
$21 million in cap space.

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yeah, i agree. we definitely have a lot of flexibility. we have more cap room to
(1) re-sign our guys
(2) sign free agents, and
(3) with all our picks we can make a lot of moves up and down the draft.

if our picks from last year pan out we will be in great shape

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Belichick did Pioli a solid here, and I don't think there's any shame in that.

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mmasterkillah said:

Yes.

1 1st, 3 2nds, 2 3rds etc.
$21 million in cap space.

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correct, we have money and picks that will allow us to move up and down in the draft as we please. This gives us the flexablility to get the exact players we want in the draft.

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salty said:

You misread me--I said "the 3-4 years prior to that", as in, he was a beast for us from 2005-2007 and then dropped off precipitously last year. You need to accept that the market just isn't there for a 34 year old LB coming off his worst season since he became a starter.

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I don't doubt that there wasn't a market for him. I am simply flabbergasted at the fact that he was on the market at all. I am in shock that we only got a 2nd round pick for Cassel and to boot we threw in Vrabel. This makes zero sense.

I hope there is something bigger brewing and they needed the pick and cap space to make the next move work. Because looking at the face value of this trade - we got ******* rooked!

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Can someone explain the cap changes possibly happening? surely if you make it uncapped , then you have like soccer here and baseball over in US a situation where the richest teams become the best teams and that's it.

Appreciate a breakdown as I love following NFL, but since ive lost skysports and NASN ive not had as much NFL network as I like



Ben

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BradyFTW! said:

Not a huge fan of this trade, but I guess it shows that the market for Cassel really wasn't there. If we extend Wilfork this offseason using some of the money we saved, I'll be a bigger fan of the deal.

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Everyone keeps saying "the market wasn't there" how could we have know that, when we didn't even wait for the market to develop. The Pats, under BB, have always waited until draft day to pull the trigger on these moves, I am praying that there is a grander scheme involved here that we are currently unaware of.

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patriots1 said:

Ray Lewis...welcome to Foxboro...and hopefully a solid CB

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He wants to play for Dallas, its a dream of his

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mgcolby said:

I don't doubt that there wasn't a market for him. I am simply flabbergasted at the fact that he was on the market at all. I am in shock that we only got a 2nd round pick for Cassel and to boot we threw in Vrabel. This makes zero sense.

I hope there is something bigger brewing and they needed the pick and cap space to make the next move work. Because looking at the face value of this trade - we got ******* rooked!

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i believe that in all likelihood vrabel was going to be released. so, we probably sent him to pioli so other teams didnt have the opportunity to acquire him through waivers

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RxJock1120 said:

Everyone keeps saying "the market wasn't there" how could we have know that, when we didn't even wait for the market to develop. The Pats, under BB, have always waited until draft day to pull the trigger on these moves, I am praying that there is a grander scheme involved here that we are currently unaware of.

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Grander scheme: Belichick wants Pioli to succeed and just gave him a Christmas gift for both the offense and defense.

If Cassel leaves via free agency, we get a 3rd round in 2010.

Now we get a 2nd rounder in 2009. (Hello Max Unger?)

I think throwing in Vrabel was kinder than cutting him.

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The 34th pick has a ton of value as has been mentioned before in this thread. Who knows what Belichick will do with all these picks but I am confident he will use them wisely.

As for the Peppers talk, I doubt anything will happen on that front. The priority now is to use the cap room they just freed to lock up Wilfork and Mankins long term. Wilfork has said that he is waiting to be contacted about an extension, but as long as Cassel was signed there was no money for him. The Pats are in very good shape right now.

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No one dreamed that Cassel and Vrabel could only bring a 2nd.

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JoeSixPat said:

There's likely a long list of teams that Cassel could not or would not accept a trade to - and it doesn't matter how many 1st round draft choices they might have been willing to trade to the Patriots in return - unless CASSEL approves of the trade it wasn't going to happen.

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I'm not sure if this is true, ie he gave a list of teams to the Pats that he wouldn't accept a trade to, but I can certainly see why Cassel wouldn't want to go to the Lions... In the end Cassel ends up with a GM who is familiar with him and really wanted him. Pioli got a great deal to jump start his regime. And although it was 'only' a 2nd, it was a very early second. And there will be plenty of value in that area for the Pats to pick from in the 2009 draft.

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mmasterkillah said:

Yes.

1 1st, 3 2nds, 2 3rds etc.
$21 million in cap space.

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Finally, a voice of reason. I would've liked a conditional draft pick as well (and who is to say there isn't one???), but these people these chicken-littles running around like the sky is falling are just outta control.

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This is what I feared rather than what I hoped for.

The big winner is probably Cassel, who had the advantage of having a one-year guarantee in hand for millions of dollars more than he's actually worth.

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mgcolby said:

I don't doubt that there wasn't a market for him. I am simply flabbergasted at the fact that he was on the market at all. I am in shock that we only got a 2nd round pick for Cassel and to boot we threw in Vrabel. This makes zero sense.

I hope there is something bigger brewing and they needed the pick and cap space to make the next move work. Because looking at the face value of this trade - we got ******* rooked!

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The only people who got 'rooked' are the people on this board who seem to hae unilaterally decided Cassel was worth a first round pick. Guess what, BB and Pioli, two of THE best think he wasnt.

Some of you have way overstimated his worth across the league IMO. Weve done well and after the draft when were very well loaded at Safety, OLB, OT and CB you'll all be back saying how well we did

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Fencer said:

This is what I feared rather than what I hoped for.

The big winner is probably Cassel, who had the advantage of having a one-year guarantee in hand for millions of dollars more than he's actually worth.

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The bigger winner is Scott Pioli

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Wevegotmossyouaintgotoss said:

Can someone explain the cap changes possibly happening? surely if you make it uncapped , then you have like soccer here and baseball over in US a situation where the richest teams become the best teams and that's it.

Appreciate a breakdown as I love following NFL, but since ive lost skysports and NASN ive not had as much NFL network as I like



Ben

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Look back two pages, there's a thread on it here that explains it in depth. Or just do a search with the word "uncapped" in the title thread, and you'll go right to it. The uncapped year will only be for one year since it was already written into the last contract that the last year of the contract would be uncapped. This is not necessarily a permanent state of events. Also, playoff and Super Bowl teams have certain prohibitions which prevent them from going after other team's FAs, but that's OK because many of the Patriots players are in the final year of contracts next year.

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mmasterkillah said:

Yes.

1 1st, 3 2nds, 2 3rds in a draft that seems to be loaded between picks 20-60.
$21 million in cap space.

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So if you are already rich it makes sense to sell something for half of what it worth, because you already have to much money?

You didn't enlighten me at all, you just regurgitated what I already knew. Thanks for playing.

The only way this makes sense is if the Pats needed to move him for the cap space and the pick to make their next move, and had to do it in a hurry to get the next deal done. If that is the case I am good with it. But if it simply to move around on draft day or to move picks into next year then I am not. We already had a ton of flexibility going into this draft an additional 2nd doesn't increase that enough to warrant moving Cassel.

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i think we all need to wait to see what the pats do with all the money they have now, and who they sign or re-sign. Who's going to be complaining when we get the Wilfork deal done, or even whats going to happen on draft day.