Cassel throws 4 TD's while mourning. Why didnt he get the coverage Favre did?

Garbanza said:

I'm glad they did not fawn over Cassel. It's a tragedy - losing one's father so young - and it's a private matter too. Only Brett Favre would exploit THAT situation to make himself look good.

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In 2003, Favre had a decade in the NFL, multiple MVPs, a Lombardi as starting QB, a ridiculous consecutive game streak and played in Green Bay where the fans relate to their players a little differently than they do with the big market teams. His close relationship with his father was well-publicized before his father died unexpectedly of a heart attack.

I don't have the Favre hatred you exhibit (I respect him for his best football days, but I believe his best days are well behind him and he receives more praise than he deserves at this point), but I have read articles since Favre has been in the NFL.

I suspect Cassel and Favre had the same press release (father passed away unexpectedly), but less is known nationally of Cassel who is a virtual rookie and not a well-known veteran with Favre's accomplishments as of 2003. The media takes it from there, not the individual.

It is apples and oranges to compare the media response to the two, and exhibits a fair degree of ignorance to say Favre self-promoted himself as a hero when he played against the Raiders after his father died. Hate the guy if you want, but have a factual basis for that conclusion if you want to post a message of empathy related to the handling of news of the death of a parent.

scott99 said:

1) Joe Montana
2) Johnny Unitas
3) John Elway
4) Tom Brady
5) Brett Favre
6) Peyton Manning
7) Dan Marino


8-10 that's a tough call, some old timers for sure, like Sammy Baugh, and maybe Dan Fouts, etc.

That's my list, I'm sure everyone else's is different

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Good list and brave of you to put it forth, so no flaming here. Can't argue with any of the names you have there. Brady and Manning are still "Incompletes." I think rings are critical in evaluating QB's, so if Manning somehow picked up two more, his career stats would put him ahead of TB. With even one ring, Marino would be well up the list. If Tommy had his fourth, I'd argue that he belongs at the top or in a respectful tie with Montana. Hopefully, he'll come back in good enough form to get it. I also think that ultimately he will deserve to be ranked above Elway, but that's where the "Incomplete" comes in. Bradshaw has four rings; you can't leave him off the list and pretty high up on it no matter how much we love to dis him. Bart Starr belongs on it too and in the top three. He led the Pack to five NFL titles, including two SB's. You're right about Sammy Baugh, but I'd also want to argue for Sid Luckman, if for nothing else, for his impact on how the game was played (first great T Formation QB). I'd have to think about it before I rank ordered them, but we agree on Number One. I'd probably have Starr number two and move Unitas down a few notches.

Bottom Line: just being on this list makes you great. Then, it's just a matter of arguing over your rightful slot among the greats.

Ryan said:

Everything Favre does gets ridiculous attention and praise. I know he's a legend, but the gushing the media does over him is beyond sickening at this point. He could throw 7 picks, but if his team somehow pulls the game out, they'd give him most of the credit.

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like how when the jets RB had that huge run for a td yesterday, and then they said "farve always finding a way to get it done" I cant even stand hearing all the favre bull crap anymore.

scott99 said:

1) Joe Montana
2) Johnny Unitas
3) John Elway
4) Tom Brady
5) Brett Favre
6) Peyton Manning
7) Dan Marino


8-10 that's a tough call, some old timers for sure, like Sammy Baugh, and maybe Dan Fouts, etc.

That's my list, I'm sure everyone else's is different

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puttling john elway and unitas over tom brady is a F*cking joke

Why don't we talk about everyone that has a father pass away? Why do they give more publicity to Cassel and his father and not anyone else?

Sivy said:

puttling john elway and unitas over tom brady is a F*cking joke

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I not sure how the names on my list would fall. I wouldn't call someone else's list a F'n joke tho. Did you take into account that the rules were a tad different in those qb's eras. Not sure where Bradshaw would be on my list (as someone mentioned) but he was the qb of all those winning Superbowl teams, and I've never seen a qb take a bigger hit in my life with no flags thrown.

Okay I understand why Cassel didn't get as much coverage as Favre, but why did this get less coverage than a BB handshake?

Sivy said:

Matt Cassel is better than Brett Favre (today, not in his prime)

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That is debatable, Would it be fair to say that when Favre played the Raiders after his Dad died, at that point in his career he was a better QB then Cassel is today. I suppose that can be debated also.

Back on topic, Favre is an icon world famous SB winning QB.

Matt Cassel is Brady's back up. It should not surprise anyone that the Favre's and Brady's of the world get more attention then Matt Cassel.

Sivy said:

puttling john elway and unitas over tom brady is a F*cking joke

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Why would you say that? I personally think that Brady is the G.O.A.T. based upon all I've seen and heard (I only go back to the 70's with first-hand knowledge, and the rest is film, tape, numbers and interviews), but placing players like Montana, Unitas, Graham, Starr, or Elway ahead of Brady is certainly not a joke. In fact, CHFF does place many of them ahead of Brady, placing Brady fifth in their top ten of all time list:

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks

I don't agree with CHFF because I think Brady gets penalized for not playing for as many years as those in front of him, but when you look at the quarterbacks at the very top of the mountain, it's one hell of a group and arguments can be made for many of them. In fact, while I can disagree, I think people could legitimately argue for any of CHFF's top 6 as the G.O.A.T.

Revised list for koolaid drinking Pats fans, top NFL QB's of all time !

1) Brady
2) Bledsoe
3) Grogan
4) Cassel
5) Parilli
6) Flutie
7) Eason
8) Hodson
9) Zolak
10) Cavanaugh


There ! You all happy ? And all of the rest of the NFL QB's in the history of the NFL suck ! Or sucked.

Gunnails said:

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That is debatable, Would it be fair to say that when Favre played the Raiders after his Dad died, at that point in his career he was a better QB then Cassel is today. I suppose that can be debated also.

Back on topic, Favre is an icon world famous SB winning QB.

Matt Cassel is Brady's back up. It should not surprise anyone that the Favre's and Brady's of the world get more attention then Matt Cassel.

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Hmmm, let's analyze this a bit, here are their stats:

13 Matt Cassel NE QB 301 472 63.8 33.7 3,270 6.9 233.6 18 11 163 34.5 66T 32 4 44 87.1
14 Brett Favre NYJ QB 305 451 67.6 32.2 3,052 6.8 218.0 21 17 161 35.7 56T 33 7 26 86.5

Cassel is rated 13th in the NFL in QB Rating, Favre is 14th. Favre has 3 more TD passes, but 6 more ints, so the TD-INT ratio is in Cassel's favor. Favre has a better completion percentage, but also throws a lot of short passes (more than Cassel I believe). The stats are pretty close, but since this is Cassel's FIRST season running an NFL offense, and Favre's 17th. I don't think it's a disrespectful, or a crazy statement to say that Cassel might be a better QB than Favre was in 2008. Let's see what happens in the last 2 games.

Seriously, why are we comparing this. Like it or not, at the time Favre was arguably the biggest star in the NFL and people related to him personally since so many of his tragedies have been played in front of the media from his drug addition to his wife's cancer. Favre was still the face of the NFL back then. It was before Brady, Tomlinson, and even Manning became the superstars they are today.

Add the fact it was a big Monday Night game vs. the year before's AFC Super Bowl participant. It was back when MNF was a big deal and it was the only game being broadcasted nationally opposed to the Pats' game yesterday that I am not sure they broadcasted anywhere other than New England (was Oakland blacked out?).

If this was Brady on Sunday night football in a big game, it would have gotten the same attention. But Matt Cassel (I don't even know if most Pats fans would recognize Cassel on the street if they passed by him) on a game which no one saw isn't going to get the same attention.

scott99 said:

Revised list for koolaid drinking Pats fans, top NFL QB's of all time !

1) Brady
2) Bledsoe
3) Grogan
4) Cassel
5) Parilli
6) Flutie
7) Eason
8) Hodson
9) Zolak
10) Cavanaugh


There ! You all happy ? And all of the rest of the NFL QB's in the history of the NFL suck ! Or sucked.

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I dunno after the Raiders game, I think Cassel might have the number 2 slot.

Rob0729 said:

Seriously, why are we comparing this. Like it or not, at the time Favre was arguably the biggest star in the NFL and people related to him personally since so many of his tragedies have been played in front of the media from his drug addition to his wife's cancer. Favre was still the face of the NFL back then. It was before Brady, Tomlinson, and even Manning became the superstars they are today.

Add the fact it was a big Monday Night game vs. the year before's AFC Super Bowl participant. It was back when MNF was a big deal and it was the only game being broadcasted nationally opposed to the Pats' game yesterday that I am not sure they broadcasted anywhere other than New England (was Oakland blacked out?).

If this was Brady on Sunday night football in a big game, it would have gotten the same attention. But Matt Cassel (I don't even know if most Pats fans would recognize Cassel on the street if they passed by him) on a game which no one saw isn't going to get the same attention.

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This is exactly right. Let's not be a bunch of little girls taking offense at everything. Christ.

I think an interesting question would be: How do athletes (football players and otherwise) perform in their first game after a parent passes away; I wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge deviation from the average (many playing horribly; and many playing greatly).

Did everyone forget the Kicker of the Bears whose 2 month old son died in his crib earlier in the season and then he played in their next game just a few days later and kicked the game winning field goal for Da Bears?

NOW THAT BEATS FAVRE AND CASSEL'S STORIES!

Lifer said:

Brett Favres performance on MNF against Oakland after his father died has been treated like the greatest athletic feat in the history of mankind.
Matt Cassel played just as well yesterday, and some in the media noted it, but not NEARLY with the hype the media always gushes on Brett Overated.
Him dancing around yesterday after the Bills handed the Jets the victory made me want someone to throw a shoe at HIM. The Jets won in spite of Favre.

And Cassel deserves a lot more attention for the way he played Sunday.

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He's not Brett Favre... simple as that.

PATRIOT64 said:

Did everyone forget the Kicker of the Bears whose 2 month old son died in his crib earlier in the season and then he played in their next game just a few days later and kicked the game winning field goal for Da Bears?

NOW THAT BEATS FAVRE AND CASSEL'S STORIES!

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I agree, it is much harder to bury a child than a parent.

scott99 said:

Revised list for koolaid drinking Pats fans, top NFL QB's of all time !

1) Brady
2) Bledsoe
3) Grogan
4) Cassel
5) Parilli
6) Flutie
7) Eason
8) Hodson
9) Zolak
10) Cavanaugh


There ! You all happy ? And all of the rest of the NFL QB's in the history of the NFL suck ! Or sucked.

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Yo! Where do you get off dissing Mike Taliaferro? His lifetime Pass Rating of 46.1 and his record as a Pats' starter of 8--17 should put him ahead of those dogs Elway and Unitas. Not only did he have a career completion rate of 43%, but his INT to TD ratio was nearly 2/1. The latter is an accomplishment that few QB's have even dreamed of attaining. Let's show a little respect here! He even made the pro bowl in 1969 when he actually threw for one more TD than Interceptions, but rumors are that Gov. Blagojevich's father sold him the slot for a used car.

"mourning"

....and you're in Kansas?