How many teams would bid on Cassel

xmarkd400x · Dec 3, 2008

ctpatsfan77 said:
Except WR to throw to.

Well, not EVERY position is stacked; however, they do own the #1 seed in the AFC and Cassell might very well be an upgrade over their aging journeyman QB.

Urgent · Dec 3, 2008

ctpatsfan77 said:
Also, just to correct a point--as various articles have pointed out, if the Patriots hadn't drafted him, he would have either joined his former coach Norm Chow at Tennessee or his former roommate Carson Palmer in Cincinnati.

That's right - I've seen statements from Chow that they were prepared to pursue him as an undrafted player at the end of the draft.

The irony is that, under any of these alternative scenarios, Cassel would be starting this year.
In New England for Brady due to injury.
In Tennessee for Young, due to performance, after frustratingly being surpassed once again for, this time, the Heisman runner-up at QB.
In Cincinnati for Palmer due to injury.

PatsFan2 · Dec 3, 2008

You mean after Sundays Game? not many...lets hope Matt Cassel run the table and beef up his stats mostly in a win...then i'll get back to you. You are as good as your last game in this league.

WhiZa · Dec 3, 2008

PatsFan2 said:
You are as good as your last game in this league.

No wonder everyone wants to trade Brady

jcdavey · Dec 3, 2008

Urgent said:
A relevant question regarding the future of Cassel is how many teams might bid on him, whether as a free agent or through trade?

The second part of that question is, of course, on how many teams would he be an upgrade?

A quick look at the 31 other teams, in descending order of QB rating through 12 games:

Dallas - Romo
San Diego - Rivers
Arizona - Warner
New Orleans - Brees
Miami - Pennington
Tampa Bay - Garcia
New York Giants - Manning
Atlanta - Ryan
Green Bay - Rodgers
Houston - Schaub
New York Jets - Favre
Washington - Campbell
Denver - Cutler
(New England - Cassel)
Indianapolis - Manning
Buffalo - Edwards
Philadelphia - McNabb
Chicago - Orton
Jacksonville - Garrard
Baltimore - Flacco
Tennessee - Collins/Young
Carolina - Delhomme
Pittsburgh - Roethlisberger
Kansas City - Thigpen/Huard
Minnesota - Frerotte/Jackson
San Francisco - O'Sullivan/Smith/Hill
Oakland - Russell
Cincinnati - Fitzpatrick/Palmer
St Louis - Bulger
Cleveland - Anderson/Quinn
Seattle - Hasselbeck
Detroit - Culpepper/Kitna/Orlovsky

Teams in bold = might bid on Cassel.

Excluded:
Oakland - while a clear upgrade, they probably financially cannot quit on Russell yet.
Baltimore - Flacco looks like a good developing QB
Cincinnati - obviously an injury issue to Palmer

Questions:
Philadelphia - too soon to move on?
Buffalo - expensive for a limited upgrade over Edwards
Miami - good season from Pennington, but aging and risky
New York Jets - does Favre retire? would Mangini want ex-Pat Cassel?
Tampa Bay - time to bring in the future?

That yields 12-14 teams that might be interested, based on the numbers and the context.

thigpen seems to be playing good enough to win that job in kc for 09, good list though

i can't imagine any of them bidding on a player that's been franchised, from a team who is known for having players leave their system and then go on to suck wherever else they play

ctpatsfan77 · Dec 3, 2008

PatsFan2 said:
You are as good as your last game in this league.

Any GM who thinks that way when evaluating talent deserves whatever misfortunes befall his team.

DaBruinz · Dec 3, 2008

Urgent said:
A relevant question regarding the future of Cassel is how many teams might bid on him, whether as a free agent or through trade?

The second part of that question is, of course, on how many teams would he be an upgrade?

A quick look at the 31 other teams, in descending order of QB rating through 12 games:

Dallas - Romo
San Diego - Rivers
Arizona - Warner
New Orleans - Brees
Miami - Pennington
Tampa Bay - Garcia
New York Giants - Manning
Atlanta - Ryan
Green Bay - Rodgers
Houston - Schaub
New York Jets - Favre
Washington - Campbell
Denver - Cutler
(New England - Cassel)
Indianapolis - Manning
Buffalo - Edwards
Philadelphia - McNabb
Chicago - Orton
Jacksonville - Garrard
Baltimore - Flacco
Tennessee - Collins/Young
Carolina - Delhomme
Pittsburgh - Roethlisberger
Kansas City - Thigpen/Huard
Minnesota - Frerotte/Jackson
San Francisco - O'Sullivan/Smith/Hill
Oakland - Russell
Cincinnati - Fitzpatrick/Palmer
St Louis - Bulger
Cleveland - Anderson/Quinn
Seattle - Hasselbeck
Detroit - Culpepper/Kitna/Orlovsky

Teams in bold = might bid on Cassel.

Excluded:
Oakland - while a clear upgrade, they probably financially cannot quit on Russell yet.
Baltimore - Flacco looks like a good developing QB
Cincinnati - obviously an injury issue to Palmer

Questions:
Philadelphia - too soon to move on?
Buffalo - expensive for a limited upgrade over Edwards
Miami - good season from Pennington, but aging and risky
New York Jets - does Favre retire? would Mangini want ex-Pat Cassel?
Tampa Bay - time to bring in the future?

That yields 12-14 teams that might be interested, based on the numbers and the context.

You can remove Jacksonville (gave Garrard a good contract), Cleveland (Anderson/Quinn) and KC (Thigpen/Croyle). Philadelphia is very high on Kevin Kolb and they plan on moving to him. I don't see Buffalo changing from Edwards.

I think that Tennessee is a bigger question mark Than Buffalo, Philadelphia, or Miami, honestly.

So, I legitimately see 9 teams who could go after Cassel's services.

DaBruinz · Dec 3, 2008

ctpatsfan77 said:
Except WR to throw to.

Umm.. The WRs they have in Tennessee are no worse than the WRs that Brady had to throw to during the 2001 season. And Tennessee has a better running game than the 2001 Pats did.

Also, Cassel is a much better passer than either Young or Collins. He'd be a significant improvement in their passing game.

tanked_as_usual · Dec 3, 2008

DaBruinz said:
Umm.. The WRs they have in Tennessee are no worse than the WRs that Brady had to throw to during the 2001 season. And Tennessee has a better running game than the 2001 Pats did.

Also, Cassel is a much better passer than either Young or Collins. He'd be a significant improvement in their passing game.

he is a better passer but not a better QB.........cassel has outstanding mechanics, but poor vision and instincts

okterrific · Dec 3, 2008

That yields 12-14 teams that might be interested, based on the numbers and the context.

No offense, this is kind of delusional. You can't just look at a guy's name and say "Eh, he's not that good, that team's a possibilty." Cassell is not appreciably better (or at all) than guys like Orton, Thigpen, Delhomme. This isn't Madden 08 or Fantasy Football where you just sign any guy who's even a minor upgrade at any position.

At the absolute maximum, there are about 10 teams. If you eliminate the teams with solid but aging QBs (TB, Mia, etc) it's more like 5-6. In reality, I think there will be three teams with serious interest in signing Cassel to be their starter on Day 1: Detroit, STL and San Fran. Maybe Minnesota.

PatsFanSince74 · Dec 3, 2008

captadamnj said:
Unless he leads the Pats to the Super Bowl, I still think he stays here. The Pats offer him above average QB money with the knowledge that they are set at QB for the next 10 years. He knows that there isn't another team he can go to and be as successful in year one (and probably not year 2 or 3 for that matter) as he has been with the Pats because he knows the system here and is surrounded by talent.

Let's ask the question another way. How many teams would Cassel sign with? Unless his plan is to cash in on one contract and become just another "he had a good year as a backup qb on a talented team", he needs to look for - 1) Stability in the organization (management), 2) A solid OL, and 3) Quality receivers to whom to throw the ball. Which of the above teams that might be interested can offer him that?

I agree with you that he should look for a team with good Front Office and Football management, but disagree that he'll stay with the Pats short of going to an SB. This may be his once in a lifetime chance to max out on his career earnings, given the very real possibility of injury and the volatility/serendipity of the NFL. He's no dummy and will take it and no one can blame him. The Pats will not be able to carry two QB's at top salaries next year and not address other issues.

I think he might want to wait until some of the HC jobs settle out. Cowher's not going to go anywhere that won't let him win. Josh is probably going to be HC somewhere next year. Those both might be good fits for him if either needs a QB. He might also want to avoid Marty Schottenheimer's next destination.

ctpatsfan77 · Dec 3, 2008

PatsFanSince74 said:
I think he might want to wait until some of the HC jobs settle out. Cowher's not going to go anywhere that won't let him win. Josh is probably going to be HC somewhere next year. Those both might be good fits for him if either needs a QB. He might also want to avoid Marty Schottenheimer's next destination.

Luckily for Cassel, most teams that plan to replace their HCs after the season ends actually fire them before FA starts (except San Diego, of course

).

okterrific said:
No offense, this is kind of delusional. You can't just look at a guy's name and say "Eh, he's not that good, that team's a possibilty." Cassell is not appreciably better (or at all) than guys like Orton, Thigpen, Delhomme. This isn't Madden 08 or Fantasy Football where you just sign any guy who's even a minor upgrade at any position.

At the absolute maximum, there are about 10 teams. If you eliminate the teams with solid but aging QBs (TB, Mia, etc) it's more like 5-6. In reality, I think there will be three teams with serious interest in signing Cassel to be their starter on Day 1: Detroit, STL and San Fran. Maybe Minnesota.

Well, according to that ESPN poll, Minnesota folks were as enthusiastic about Cassel as anybody in the country. . . . I know that's not the same thing as the MIN FO being enthused, but take it FWIW.

Lifer · Dec 3, 2008

Four teams

tanked_as_usual · Dec 3, 2008

DaBruinz said:
How about you bring something constructive to the conversation? Or is that asking you to go beyond your limits?

certain constructive conversation is frowned upon and moved to the practice squad room..............especially if the 'inner circle of trust' doesn't agree with it

either way, the vikings, bucs, and bears would be my most likely choices.......I would count out the teams that totally stink since they will want someone, even of lesser quality as long as they are experienced........

Urgent · Dec 3, 2008

Of course, the supply side of the equation is relevant as well.

How many free agent QB's will there be to supply these 10-14 teams?

Kurt Warner
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
Jeff Garcia
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Rex Grossman
Kyle Boller
Charlie Batch
JP Losman
Patrick Ramsey
Luke McCown

Of course, if Warner or Garrard, for example, switch teams, that just moves the opening somewhere else. But not a lot of viable starters on that list. Cassel could well be the most valued QB in play.

thechris · Dec 4, 2008

The Vikings would be crazy not to go after Cassel. I bet he ends up there.

MKats31 · Dec 4, 2008

He will fit the best in Minnestoa, but I wouldn't be surprised in the Pats franchise tagged Cassel after the season, only so to see how well Brady fars coming off the injury in '09

Patsfanin Philly · Dec 26, 2008

thechris said:
The Vikings would be crazy not to go after Cassel. I bet he ends up there.

I wonder if there is any residual ill will between the Pats and Vikings as a result of the Garrett Mills fiasco...... and whether that will prevent any wink/nod franchise-trade-new contract deal....

vyrago · Dec 26, 2008

Patsfanin Philly said:
I wonder if there is any residual ill will between the Pats and Vikings as a result of the Garrett Mills fiasco...... and whether that will prevent any wink/nod franchise-trade-new contract deal....

I seem to remember that Childress acted like an azz in that situation. If there's any ill will, it might be on Belichick's part.

363839 · Dec 26, 2008

tanked_as_usual said:
MN would be the best place on that list

I hope he goes somewhere that will yield a better pick like Detroit or KC.
The Pats are going to get a good pick out of this.
Detroit would be perfect. Then we could trade down.

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