Schefter: Predict's Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

spacecrime said:

What I find sick is that the ones who wanted to cut him, now want to prevent him from cashing in on free agency.

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No one wants to prevent him from cashing in, we just want the Patriots to use the bargaining chips the CBA gives them just as Cassel will use those that the CBA gives him. If he continues to play well, he'll cash in one way or the other.

ill go out on a limb and say that cassel will make more then rodger..which would be fair, since cassel would be better then aaron

spacecrime said:

What I find sick is that the ones who wanted to cut him, now want to prevent him from cashing in on free agency.

You guys didn't want him before. Let him go now.

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Heh, I wanted the Pats to re-sign him to guaranteed money after game three to give him some insurance against injury and avoid the tag hassle if they had a hot commodity develop. What do I know...

For those of you who are confused about this process, simply go, and review the last 10 yrs worth of top F.A. See how the situation was handled.

This isnt rocket science. It happens every year. They will tag him, and trade him. Matt will be happy, Bill will be happy, and Matts new team will be happy. It really isnt all that complicated. So could everybody stop arguing about it in every thread?

For those of you arguing that MC won't accept the sign and trade, he really has very little choice in the matter. His only leverage would be to refuse to renegotiate the franchise amount with the new team, or to hold out. Neither of which will happen. If the Pats franchise him, they will negotiate with other teams to find out what they can get for him. MC will then either accept the deal or not. As long as the Pats are willing to send him to a team he accepts, he has no reason to not accept the deal.

After signing the franchise contract, he'll be guaranteed 11 or 14 mil whatever the tag is, but he'll have no long term security. Once he renegotiates the deal with the new team (likely to be done before the actual trade takes place), he'll have the guaranteed amount of the signing bonus and whatever else is guaranteed in the contract plus the long term security that deal give him and the team he is traded to will have a much more cap friendly deal than the Franchise deal.

It happens all the time in the NFL, and given BB track record, it will happen this time as well and all three parties involved will get something out of it and all three will likely be very happy in the end.

NOTE: I beleive they only franchise him if he continues to progress as he has so far this season and the Pats go deep into the playoffs. Otherwise I don't think so.

SpiderFox53 said:

For those of you arguing that MC won't accept the sign and trade, he really has very little choice in the matter.

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/jets/2006-03-17-abraham-future_x.htm

I contend that the above contradicts your point. A tagged player does indeed have a choice in the matter.

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

spacecrime said:

If the Pats franchise Cassel with the idea of trading, I hope Cassel refuses to negotiate with any team the Patriots select. Let the Pats pay him $15 mil to hold a clipboard, and then the next year Cassel will get to negotiate with any team he wants.

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Come on. Cassel's a career backup, who'd kill for a regular gig. If Minnesota or Detroit offer him a five year deal with 36 million in the first three years, he's going to say no?

There are only 32 starting quarterback slots in the NFL. There are only maybe 4 that will be up for grabs at the end of the year. It's ALWAYS in his best interest to take the guaranteed money and the long-term contract.

The other option is the Pats could tag him, and simply rescind the tag if the market isn't out there. They'd get the highest comp pick next year.

Are we really worried he's going to go the the Jets? Do you think Belichick doesn't know how to beat Cassel?

Lets get real about MC

1. He is not as good as Aaron Rodgers
2. No one including the Patriots will risk having to pay him 11 million for even one year
3. Any minimal success he has had to date is a product of the Patriots system
4. He has had a couple of good games

He is NOT going to be paid any more than 4-5 million tops on the open market.



The hype on MC is reaching epidemic proportions

Let him hit FA.. Kevin O'Connell has so much more upside.

chrisfx811 said:

What did Schaub get from Houston when he left Atlanta?
There's a guy who didn't really prove anything, and was courted as a starter.
Cassel will get solid money based on what he's done so far this year, but some teams will disregard the fact that he's got Moss & Welker.
Then again, he played with a swiss cheese o-line, and a MASH unit backfield so far as well.
His ability to run is impressive, if he can continue to improve his decision making, he could be something.

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Apparently you didn't watch the game he played against us when Vick was out.

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marcus said:

Let him hit FA.. Kevin O'Connell has so much more upside.

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Ummm. . . . I'd say that Cassel and O'Connell both have exactly the same upside: a Tom Brady-like passer who can also make plays running.

SpiderFox53 said:

After signing the franchise contract, he'll be guaranteed 11 or 14 mil whatever the tag is, but he'll have no long term security.

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Could someone please explain to me why a 7th round backup with a few starts under his belt would be worried about long term security when handed 14.5 million dollars?

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ctpatsfan77 said:

Ummm. . . . I'd say that Cassel and O'Connell both have exactly the same upside: a Tom Brady-like passer who can also make plays running.

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Are we talking about the same O'Connell who needed to completely redo his mechanics in the Spring? Tom Brady-like in time, naybe, but for now he's a young player trying to drill enough reps into his muscle memory to execute each throw with sound fundamental mechanics. I'm interested to see how well he progresses next Training Camp/Pre-season, but he's a bigger questionmark to me than a back-up college QB who trained in a pro-system.

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

spacecrime said:

How is it a win for Cassel when instead of being able to negotiate will all teams, he is restricted to the one the Patriots choose?

If I were Cassel I would not play that game. The Pats cannot do this unless Cassel agrees and he should not agree to a trade.

If the Pats franchise Cassel with the idea of trading, I hope Cassel refuses to negotiate with any team the Patriots select. Let the Pats pay him $15 mil to hold a clipboard, and then the next year Cassel will get to negotiate with any team he wants.

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And what do you estimate his value would be in 2010 coming off a year of holding the clipboard for Brady as the #3 inactive QB here? LOL Teams want team players at the position. Or if he rufuses to sign the tag what would his options be if the Patriots revoke it after most teams have made their bed for the season with guys who were available to absorb their system over the offseason...Or what if the Pats can get compensation from a team Matt would love to have a crack at starting for - should be refuse to negotiate because well...it's principle...

Lots of stuff goes on behind the scenes. They can agree to cooperate in everyone's best interest (kinda like they agreed not to franchise Asante again to get him to report). Lots of times when players want out teams tell 'em to go find a team that wants you. With a tagged player that's a given... Does he really want to land on a team too stupid or stubborn disrespectful to invest picks in him in addition to the contract?

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Box_O_Rocks said:

Are we talking about the same O'Connell who needed to completely redo his mechanics in the Spring? Tom Brady-like in time, naybe, but for now he's a young player trying to drill enough reps into his muscle memory to execute each throw with sound fundamental mechanics. I'm interested to see how well he progresses next Training Camp/Pre-season, but he's a bigger questionmark to me than a back-up college QB who trained in a pro-system.

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I'm talking about their ceilings. In any case, while they might be gambling on O'Connell, it's obvious they saw a hell of a lot of upside in him.

Miguel said:

USATODAY.com - Falcons, Seahawks vying for Jets' Abraham

I contend that the above contradicts your point. A tagged player does indeed have a choice in the matter.

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Of course he has a choice but in the end as in the case you cite reason prevailed because Abraham still wanted to play somewhere and get a long term deal as opposed to remaining with the JETS with whom neither was option was on the radar (it was rumored they might have had to rescind the tag eventually given their cap situation at the time) and in Atlanta that is what he got. The JETS initially wanted to trade him to Atlanta anyway and were just using Seattle to drive up the price. The JETS wanted...Matt Schaub and picks for Abraham while Atlanta was offering no Matt Schaub and a second. Seattle's interest (and they were prepared to offer Abraham more to convince him if necessary) forced Atlanta to negotiate a 3 way trade where the acquired a lower 1st round pick than their existing one to trade for Abraham - coming off a lackluster season in NY - because they didn't want to trade a top 10 pick for him...

This is part of the business of doing business in the NFL and Pioli and BB are quite adept at the business end of football.

RayClay said:

Could someone please explain to me why a 7th round backup with a few starts under his belt would be worried about long term security when handed 14.5 million dollars?

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Because it might impact his ability to earn five times that over the remainder of his career that will be over before he's 40 and set up his children's children for generations?

I know for fans it's the lucky to be here league. For players it's a career they believed they've already worked hard half a lifetime to have earned...

Honestly Ray if someone promised you $14M to not be or do something you've worked your whole life to be or do and someone else offered you $20M+ in cash with the implicit guarantee of earning $30M+ over the next 3-4 years and potentially $65-100M+ over the next 10 years to do exactly what you love to do and have dreamed all your life of being - is it really a no brainer for you to take the chump change and run?

And FWIW franchise $$$ while guaranteed is paid out over 17 weeks once the season starts. Signing bonus money is in hand on the day you sign the deal.

Miguel said:

Aaron Rodgers' cap-friendly deal: $12.9M in 2008 | greenbaypressgazette.com | Green Bay Press-Gazette

provides details about Rodgers' deal.

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Good deal for the Packers that they absorbed so much up front and will have little dead cap if and when they part company. But just so the $12.9 figure isn't misleading relative to the tag number being discussed here, he did get $20M guaranteed and had they gone with the conventional bonus as opposed to prepaid salary that would have implicitly guaranteed him more...

"This season, he will make $12.9 million – that’s $320,000 of his original $680,000 base salary already paid under his old contract plus $12.58 million in new money to be paid the rest of the season, a sum that is guaranteed.

It means Rodgers will be paid more this season than his predecessor, Brett Favre, who will be paid $12 million by the New York Jets.

Rodgers also is guaranteed a $7.42 million roster bonus due next March, bringing the total guaranteed money to $20 million. "

wow. life is funny. not long ago we were talking about cutting this guy.

Grizzafted said:

wow. life is funny. not long ago we were talking about cutting this guy.

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Who's "we" kimosabe? :snob:

Wildo7 said:

But why would a team ever agree to that? There's no way they agree to pay him 11$ million when they can refuse and let him hit FA. The Pats don't have leverage to make such a trade since nobody would really believe they intended on keeping him. Cassel in FA is going to be cheaper for a team in FA than 11$ million for one year and draft picks or whatever. Since he has to be signed for $11 million for that year by whoever gets him anyway if he's tagged, what team would want to give up additional picks when they know the Pats can't really afford to keep him in 09 anyway? I maybe missing something here, but this really isn't making any sense to me whatsoever. And if it's the long term contract, why wouldn't Cassel just take the $11 million from whoever he gets traded to and wait until FA in 2010? Since there's no assurance that he signs a long term contract if traded, a team would essentially be trading for a one year player for $11 million dollars and some draft picks. I really doubt they would ever do that.

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There's really only any leverage if multiple teams want him. A team might be willing to give up a draft pick or two to make sure that he lands with them. The likelihood of that happening is a whole different debate, but with the state of QBs in the league right now, I think it's pretty reasonable to think that that will happen. The Lions, Jets, 49ers, Vikings, and Bucs will all desperately need a QB next year or the year after. Also, a number of teams might put some thought into the matter, like the Bengals (Palmer injury uncertainty), Texans (not sold on Schaub), Chiefs (depending on how Thigpen plays out), Dolphins (though they're probably set with Pennington/Henne), Titans (if Collins walks and Young continues to suck), Panthers (Delhomme aging), and Seahawks (if they go into rebuilding mode, Hasselbeck has been injured and neither backup inspires confidence).

If you just get the Lions, 49ers, and Vikings all interested, you might be able to get some pretty good trade value for Cassel.