OT: Mike Shanahan balls of steel

Of all the teams we play this season, the Denver game worries me the most. I think that one could get really ugly for us.

BelichickFan said:

From what I heard from Norvel didn't go far enough. He should have explained over about 15 minutes what an embarrassment this crap is to the league, etc, etc, etc, and earned himself about $100K in fines. He should have called out Jolly Roger to immediately suspend Hochuli. They specifically told the refs to quit blowing the whistle so quickly, I think it was last year, so this sh!t doesn't happen. The refs can't just say "sorry" and move on.

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Agreed.... He basically said Hochuli came over and said "sorry, I ****ed up. Deal with it". Not zackly what you want to hear at that point. I generally despise Norvo (and all things Chargers), but I have to say.... hard not to feel bad for them here. They took a screwing and it absolutly cost them a game.

But yeah.... justified as it may be. Ole' Rodger Dodger will certainly smack down a fine on Turner for his comments.

They could totally make a Southwest Airlines commercial out of that.

Ed: Um, I should have called it a fumble, but I blew it dead. Yeah.. *looks around nervously as SD fans start to riot*
Narrator: Wanna get away?

The refs should be called out for every idiotic decision they make by the coaches. Fines be damned. :snob:

BelichickFan said:

Because the numb nut ref blew the whistle and called it incomplete making the play dead immediately.

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Obviously the play can't technically be reviewed after the play is blown dead by the ref. That is the fundamental reason why refs should the the play run out if they are not sure because you can always challenge going back.

Mogamedogz said:

Of all the teams we play this season, the Denver game worries me the most. I think that one could get really ugly for us.

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I thought this myth was debunked by now. Plus if the game is close, the intentional snap out of the endzone always works......

I don't understand why challenge rules like that have to be so rigid. So much of the game is left up to the referees discretion, almost every flag is a judgment call (besides 12 men on the field LOLJETS) from pass interference to holding... so if the outcome was obvious (I mean theres no way the broncos were recovering that, the whistle was completely irrelevant) let the Ref decide that and make that call, and if its a situation where you can't tell, then let the Ref say you can't tell, and they make the same call that they did today anyways (accidental whistle, team keeps the ball at the spot of the fumble)

pheenix11 said:

I was just watching some NFL Network highlights and they showed the end of the DEN/SD game. DEN got a TD to make it 37-36 and if they kicked the extra point it would have been tied and they would have gone to OT.

Instead Shanahan went for 2 and they made it and won by 1 point.

That takes some jumbo sized balls.

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Agreed on that. When he made that call my first thought was "RISKY,very risky" but they pulled it off Shanahan's definitely got game.

The point was made earlier that the blown call(s) had NOTHING to do with the outcome of the game. The game was won when the Chargers failed to stop Cutler's pass to the end zone, and then again on the ensuing 2-point conversion. All San Diego has to do is stop either play, and they win.

Same could be said of any of the other Denver drives. Just stop one, and the Chargers win.

This game came down to execution, and the Norvettes failed to live up to their own hype. Plain. Simple. Fact.

I am NO fan of Denver, but they won this games without help from the Refs. All that is accomplished by focusing on the mis-calls is you are handing a crutch to the Chargers and their fans that distracts from the real reasons for the loss: Failure to execute, especially by the vaunted SD defense.

I just can't get upset about the ref blowing a call, even when it happens to the Patriots, which it does. It happens, and the way that a team reacts to it and either overcomes it or succumbs to it says a great deal about the caliber of both the players and the coaching staff.

Respects,

I want to know why LT wasn't at the podium calling the refs classless and that it must come down from Mike Perriera, head of officials in NY.

Mike Shanahan, just another example of Al Davis' stupidity.

Gwedd said:

The point was made earlier that the blown call(s) had NOTHING to do with the outcome of the game.

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Well, the Broncos turned the ball over and the ref said "do over" - how can that NOT have something to do with the game ? How many plays do you expect the defense to have to make ?

Gwedd said:

The point was made earlier that the blown call(s) had NOTHING to do with the outcome of the game. The game was won when the Chargers failed to stop Cutler's pass to the end zone, and then again on the ensuing 2-point conversion. All San Diego has to do is stop either play, and they win.

Same could be said of any of the other Denver drives. Just stop one, and the Chargers win.

This game came down to execution, and the Norvettes failed to live up to their own hype. Plain. Simple. Fact.

I am NO fan of Denver, but they won this games without help from the Refs. All that is accomplished by focusing on the mis-calls is you are handing a crutch to the Chargers and their fans that distracts from the real reasons for the loss: Failure to execute, especially by the vaunted SD defense.

I just can't get upset about the ref blowing a call, even when it happens to the Patriots, which it does. It happens, and the way that a team reacts to it and either overcomes it or succumbs to it says a great deal about the caliber of both the players and the coaching staff.

Respects,

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Those are just dumb statements and are not accurate. It was 3rd down with less then a minue left, Denver Fumbled, and SD recovered, but the blown call gave Denver the ball back on the 10 with one more shot at the TD.

Sure, they executed it, but they never should have had the opportunity too. That is just the plain facts of the matter.

Adapt, execute, overcome. Simple. Straight forward.

Regardless of the calls the refs made (and I absolutely agree that Ed blew that call) it still came down to SD stopping the Broncos. They had two chances to stop them, both at the TD and the 2-PT conversion. Stopping either would've won the game for the Chargers. Had the defemse done their job, Denver would not have won.

No amount of complaining about the refs can overcome poor play by the Charger Defense. SD needs to man up and accept the blame for the loss, and not be using the refs as a crutch to ameliorate their poor execution.

Respects,

BelichickFan said:

I'm guessing he did it because the Chargers were reeling from getting f*cked up the ass two plays earlier. I wanted Denver to win but that was disgusting. Hochuli should voluntarily not be paid for the travesty he imposed on the league today.

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that's about right...i was watching that live on tv and couldn't believe it...at least he admitted his mistake, but i don't think we'll see Ed in the post season this year...and i doubt he'll ref another Chargers game for a long, long time...worst call i've seen in years.

i did have a slightly different take on shanahan's decision...i thought there was almost a schoolyard element to it..."ok, we both know that this game should be over, but you got effed by the ref, now i'll put the game on the line, straight up between us...you stop us, you win; you don't, you lose..."

I think Shanahan is still one of the very best coaches in the league. Unfortunately for Denver he's not one of the very best personnel men in the league, and doesn't seem to realize it.

BRiZ said:

i wish Dan Pees had at least 1/8th the size of Shanahans balls and would blitz more...

That was pretty impressive by Shanny AKA The Rat but you know if they didnt convert it he would have gotten destroyed by the fans and media. It was exciting gotta give props to the Donkeys, but that was soooo a fumble by Culter.

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Yeah. Cutler even came out after the game and admitted that it was a fumble. Oh well. It's San Diego and I can't exactly say that this could have happened to a better team. Full of whiners but at least they actually deserve to whine this time around.

Yeah, I thought it was funny that they blew the whistle on that but not on Eli being in the grasp last February.

Yeah, I thought that sure was funny.

funny. heh heh heh. heh..... ehhhhhhhh.

The Chargers got hosed on that call and part of me does think that Shanahan went for 2 to give them a chance to stop it, but logically I think it's more likely that he wanted to catch the Chargers still mad and take advantage of them not thinking straight and win the game instead of going to OT and possibly never touching the ball. Most teams I'd feel bad for but it's the Chargers so F 'em.

PatsFanSince74 said:

that's about right...i was watching that live on tv and couldn't believe it...at least he admitted his mistake, but i don't think we'll see Ed in the post season this year...and i doubt he'll ref another Chargers game for a long, long time...worst call i've seen in years.

i did have a slightly different take on shanahan's decision...i thought there was almost a schoolyard element to it..."ok, we both know that this game should be over, but you got effed by the ref, now i'll put the game on the line, straight up between us...you stop us, you win; you don't, you lose..."

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The officials blow the whistle too early all the damn time. Lay off Ed, at least he had the balls to man up & say he ****ed up. He could of easily said the play on the field was ruled a forward pass & the reply was inconclusive to cover his ass.

When is the last time you've seen an NFL official admit a mistake, usually they act infallable even on the most blatant bad calls.

PatsFanSince74 said:

that's about right...i was watching that live on tv and couldn't believe it...at least he admitted his mistake, but i don't think we'll see Ed in the post season this year...and i doubt he'll ref another Chargers game for a long, long time...worst call i've seen in years.

i did have a slightly different take on shanahan's decision...i thought there was almost a schoolyard element to it..."ok, we both know that this game should be over, but you got effed by the ref, now i'll put the game on the line, straight up between us...you stop us, you win; you don't, you lose..."

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The officials blow the whistle too early all the damn time. Lay off Ed, at least he had the balls to man up & say he ****ed up. He could of easily said the play on the field was ruled a forward pass & the reply was inconclusive to cover his ass.

When is the last time you've seen an NFL official admit a mistake, usually they act infallable even on the most blatant bad calls.