OT: Vince Young talking about quitting again

FirstAndGoal said:

Andy, that's anxiety and is the cause of most depression in people. We all go through the same symptoms at one point or another but it's the level and degree that's way out of whack. I'm a very productive and successful person and always have been but before I got help and was in a down cycle, I would not get out of bed for days and even go to work. I was very productive otherwise but I still suffered from it and wouldn't call people back for months. I would stare at things I was supposed to do and just not be able to do it for some unknown reason. I just couldn't do it. Someone close to me had gone through depression and said that I should see someone about it because he thought I was. I knew it but always thought that if I just tried a little harder, I wouldn't get like this again. That's why I finally got help and have been more than fine for years.

He put in all this time and effort to play in the league so when I hear about his actions, I've seen this many times. It isn't like the guy is a troublemaker. Something more is going on and it seems that the doctor agrees.

I don't know for sure what he's going through but when someone who has things going for them still feels like crawling into a hole and pouring dirt over themselves, depression is usually the reason. Anxiety is the trigger.


Anyway, I've shared enough. Have a good one.


<LI class=body>Persistent sad, anxious, or “empty” mood <LI class=body>Feelings of hopelessness, pessimism <LI class=body>Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness <LI class=body>Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex <LI class=body>Decreased energy, fatigue, being “slowed down” <LI class=body>Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions <LI class=body>Trouble sleeping, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping <LI class=body>Appetite and/or weight changes <LI class=body>Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts <LI class=body>Restlessness, irritability <LI class=body>Persistent physical symptoms, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain, which do not respond to routine treatment

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AndyJohnson said:

My point was simply that I have seen it up close, and the fact that depression is such a widely accepted and socially acceptable diagnoses, that it has also become a crutch for people who are not depressed to use as their excuse.
In other words,lets say I don't want to work very hard. I would rather sit home watch TV, go out and party, read a book, whatever. Basically, I am a grown man who wants to remain a teenager and 'have fun' instead of taking responsibility. Now let's say I have a family, bills, and everything else that goes with being an adult. I can't hold my job because I make decisions based upon having fun over being responsible. This is not depression, or a physiological issue, this is me not wanting to be responsible. (There are millions of absentee fathers in this country and they arent all suffering from depression) Now since I am letting down other people, I can grab onto depression as an affliction that prevents me from doing what I don't want to do. How can you expect me to be capable, I am depressed. As I said I have seen this up close, and know that it not exists, but is prevalent, and mental health practioners do not even attempt to distinguish between real depression and those who are seeking a depression diagnosis. ((The best way I can describe this is that while there are serial killers who read all of the textbooks in order to try to get an insanity plea, there are irrepsonsible people who feign depression symptoms to be able to escape the real issue))
To me it is a slap in the face to people who are suffering from a very real issue that others will 'fake depression' because it is more acceptable than being lazy.

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patchick said:

I absolutely accept that there are other possibilities besides clinical depression. What I don't accept is the idea, now voiced multiple times in this thread, that there are only two possibilities:

- Clinical depression, absolving the individual of all culpability;

- NOT clinical depression, meaning he is lazy, weak, shiftless, spoiled, childish, irresponsible and (always the board's ultimate insult) resembles a girl.

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REPORT: FISHER TOLD POLICE YOUNG MENTIONED SUICIDE
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 12, 2008, 5:56 p.m. EDT

A police report obtained by the Nashville City Paper reveals more information about the circumstances that led to the Titans asking the police to help them track down Vince Young — and it suggests that the team feared Young would kill himself.

The report says Titans Coach Jeff Fisher told police that Young’s therapist said Young “mentioned suicide several times.”

According to the report, Titans director of security Steve Berk told police he had “a player over at the stadium going off.” The officer who wrote the report says she was later told by another officer “that it was Vince Young and that he was driving a black Mercedes and armed with a gun.”

Fisher reportedly told police he had gotten a call from Young’s therapist and “she was worried about him” as a result of “His mood, his emotions, he is injured, he wants to quit, and he mentioned suicide several times.”

The report states that Young’s therapist arranged for an evaluation by employees of a Nashville psychiatric hospital.

Young eventually arrived at the Titans’ facility to meet with Fisher, spoke with a therapist and then left. Police have said an unloaded gun was in Young’s car.

The Titans had no comment on the story.

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