Today's post by NEInsider on ESPN board

[TripleOption]

Cover one is not close to what I described, what I described doesnt exist.
What is your definition of a cover 1 scheme?

You just described it. Man to man with deep FS help. Man Free allows CB's to gamble with over the top help.

 

[TripleOption]

Yeah, it's called cover one.

Sorry, missed your post. It is absolutely Cover One.

 

[alvinnf]

Cover one is not close to what I described, what I described doesnt exist.
What is your definition of a cover 1 scheme?

In it's simplest sense it's one safety with deep responsibilities, from there it can go through a myriad of possibilities depending on both offensive formation, defensive front, defensive and offensive personnel, then you got motion. But basically it's one deep safety..... Does'nt mean it has to look like one guy out there playing centerfield.......But it is one guy with deep responsibilities.

 

[TripleOption]

Think about that analysis. There is NO WAY that our defense is set up so the corner thinks he is getting help deep but the safety stands in the middle of the field and decides which side he is going to run too after its too late.

Are you serious?

 

[alvinnf]

Sorry, missed your post. It is absolutely Cover One.

Thanx, people always try to make rocket science out of it, I blame Madden......

 

[TripleOption]

I've never heard of a FS asked to do anything above (1) play their zone or (2) be the deepest man on the field and break only when the ball's thrown. If BB asks our safeties to be Master of All Zones I have a profound respect for their abilities, its can't be easy reading both the offense and defense scheme sideline to sideline and covering the same, with the speed of the NFL game and the abiilty of NFL passers.

I'd normally regard this to be unfeasible as described at a high school level. Safeties read and cover half a field, if that.

You've never heard of a Safety playing Man to Man? Safety playing deep centerfield and reading the QB's eyes and front shoulder? How about a Safety reading #1 and then jumping #2 or playing run in a Robber coverage?

Safeties play half field in Cover 2. They play the entire field when in Cover 1, and can play man to man when it's Zero. Hell, they play Quarter coverage, too.

 

[unoriginal]

Wow, that coverage sounds like a great idea. if I were to run it, I would call it...Cover One!! I could also call it "Man Free"...What a football genius I am, to come up with such a scheme...

Funny how some people will say something is impossible, and it is run from Youth up through the NFL.

We've had conversations about terminology/technique here before but...

Do you except your free safety to watch the corners and bail out their coverage like that, first priority? For me as both a corner and safety, assuming deep help in man was a cardinal sin, and not being deepest man as a safety was even worse.

That to me seems to be what the "Insider" is describing.

EDIT:

You've never heard of a Safety playing Man to Man? Safety playing deep centerfield and reading the QB's eyes and front shoulder? How about a Safety reading #1 and then jumping #2 or playing run in a Robber coverage?

Safeties play half field in Cover 2. They play the entire field when in Cover 1, and can play man to man when it's Zero. Hell, they play Quarter coverage, too.

I've never heard of a safety reading corner coverage and bailing the worst one out as a primary part of the job. All the rest, yes.

 

[Ring 6]

You just described it. Man to man with deep FS help.

That isnt what I described prior to that post. What I described prior to that post was a SYSTEM where a safety stands in the middle of the field, where a corner EXPECTS deep help, and where the safety looks around and decides where to go, often leaving the corner that expected deep help without it---that is, what was described in the original post.
First of all that is NOT cover 1 because corners aren't EXPECTING deep help at the mercy of the safety giving it or not giving it. Second, it the original post it described ZONE coverage by corners and whether they choose to play the technique or not.

If you can read that original description and tell me that describes man coverage with a free safety in a cover one concept, you are reading paraqgraphs into it that aren't there.

By the way, even if I were to accept all of that reading between the lines, how many snaps in a game do you think THE PATRIOTS play cover one, and how cover one could be an explanation for the SYSTEM that explains what you see a corner do?

 

[Ring 6]

You've never heard of a Safety playing Man to Man? Safety playing deep centerfield and reading the QB's eyes and front shoulder? How about a Safety reading #1 and then jumping #2 or playing run in a Robber coverage?

Safeties play half field in Cover 2. They play the entire field when in Cover 1, and can play man to man when it's Zero. Hell, they play Quarter coverage, too.

But they never do what was described in the original post.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you serious?

What is your question?
You turly think that Ellis Hobbs lines up in coverage and covers his man based on a safety playing over the top of him, but that safety can decide to go do something else if he feels like it?
That is insane. A corner expecting deep help is playing an entirely different technique to play under the receiver because he can afford to be run by, because there is someone playing the deep zone behind him.
To design a defense that tells a corner to play under the receiver then have the deep safety choose on a whim to go do something else would result in allowing 80 points every game.

 

[alvinnf]

That isnt what I described prior to that post. What I described prior to that post was a SYSTEM where a safety stands in the middle of the field, where a corner EXPECTS deep help, and where the safety looks around and decides where to go, often leaving the corner that expected deep help without it---that is, what was described in the original post.
First of all that is NOT cover 1 because corners aren't EXPECTING deep help at the mercy of the safety giving it or not giving it. Second, it the original post it described ZONE coverage by corners and whether they choose to play the technique or not.

If you can read that original description and tell me that describes man coverage with a free safety in a cover one concept, you are reading paraqgraphs into it that aren't there.

By the way, even if I were to accept all of that reading between the lines, how many snaps in a game do you think THE PATRIOTS play cover one, and how cover one could be an explanation for the SYSTEM that explains what you see a corner do?

Your'e right this is cover three....

 

[Ring 6]

In it's simplest sense it's one safety with deep responsibilities, from there it can go through a myriad of possibilities depending on both offensive formation, defensive front, defensive and offensive personnel, then you got motion. But basically it's one deep safety..... Does'nt mean it has to look like one guy out there playing centerfield.......But it is one guy with deep responsibilities.

But that has NOTHING to do with what was described in the original post.

The original post says that Hobbs lines up and covers with the EXPECTATION that he HAS A SAFETY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEEP BALL, yet the safety often times will just go run somewhere else, and Hobbs will get burned because he covered like there was a safety behind him (a HUGE difference in technique to a corner) but that safety just decided to go do something else.
That doesnt describe any defense.
Maqn coverage with a free safety roaming is nothing like what was described in the original post.

 

[Ring 6]

Your'e right this is cover three....

Cover 3 is a 3 deep zone. Players are RESPONSIBLE FOR ZONES. They do not run around whereever they feel like.

 

[bitsygirl]

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[alvinnf]

Yeah , they don't just run out there and tell them what they are doing, but as this zone principle defense unfolds the FS has a choice to make which corner to help if the ball goes deep....... That's alright I'm just full of sh*T.... Your'e right about the whole defense thing and Hobbs is good, heck I like him either way. I'm going to go read my daughter a bedtime story she has'nt learned how to be defensive yet .

 

[pats1]

Yeah , they don't just run out there and tell them what they are doing, but as this zone principle defense unfolds the FS has a choice to make which corner to help if the ball goes deep....... That's alright I'm just full of sh*T.... Your'e right about the whole defense thing and Hobbs is good, heck I like him either way. I'm going to go read my daughter a bedtime story she has'nt learned how to be defensive yet .

Teach her defensive back strategies instead. It'll pay off in the long run.

 

[TripleOption]

I've never heard of a safety reading corner coverage and bailing the worst one out as a primary part of the job. All the rest, yes.

Well, it's semantics but when in Cover 1 the FS should play the QB and flow where he thinks the QB is looking...but if a CB is beat deep it wouldn't be a bad idea to get over the top.

 

[alvinnf]

Teach her defensive back strategies instead. It'll pay off in the long run.

Yeah, I get to play nose tackle when Johnny comes over. She's was born a cheerleader.... Dear Lord.....

 

[TripleOption]

That isnt what I described prior to that post. What I described prior to that post was a SYSTEM where a safety stands in the middle of the field, where a corner EXPECTS deep help, and where the safety looks around and decides where to go, often leaving the corner that expected deep help without it---that is, what was described in the original post.

Umm, that is what Cover One is. The CB knows he has deep help, but if the FS read it wrong, he could false step or even end up on the wrong side of the field. The FS is "Free". He can play run, jump a route or help over the top.

 

[TripleOption]

What is your question?
You turly think that Ellis Hobbs lines up in coverage and covers his man based on a safety playing over the top of him, but that safety can decide to go do something else if he feels like it?
That is insane. A corner expecting deep help is playing an entirely different technique to play under the receiver because he can afford to be run by, because there is someone playing the deep zone behind him.
To design a defense that tells a corner to play under the receiver then have the deep safety choose on a whim to go do something else would result in allowing 80 points every game.

Again, Cover One relies on deep help, but the FS decides where that help is given. How else would you play it? Cover One, Safety cover the right side of the field?