Cornerbacks MAJOR weakness

[DW Toys]

That's different from a visit to interview for a job, and you know that. I think we would have heard something on the news if something like that happened.

Cousin, I was being "tongue in cheek" when I said that. Sheppard was here for the Friday night fiasco. We know the Eagles would trade him if they got what they want (2nd or 3rd). He is better than what we have. I said let's not let him get away. Sorry.
DW Toys

 

[DaBruinz]

I appreciate your retort. He "olayed" the play clean and simple in the Colts game. He was reluctant to hit. If you see it different then you would be wrong then, wouldn't you?

No. I've already said that you are wrong and that Sanders didn't "OLAY" the play. You just have has this fascinating hatred of the guy ever since you started posting on the board. Every time you flap your trap about him, everyone knows you don't know what you are talking about.

O.K. lets look at your next theory. A Colt FG in that drive just tied the game and the Pats are still in a position of worse case scenario, OT. You are saying that BB allowed Adai to score to get the ball back, now down by four with a minute to play?

With Brady as the QB? Why not. If Belichick has the faith in the offense, which he did.

Sanders wasn't moving side to side. He was running straight on to Adai and then Sanders just side stepped him!

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe in some alternate reality it might be true. But not in this world.

In a huge game like the SB you don't at least try to back up your team mate instead of standing there staring aimlessly? Don't you fly to the ball and get into the hit? The idea was to break the pass up, not take a PI. He gets a finger on the ball and maybe the result is different. Gang tackle and fly to the ball are part of the game. A field spectator is not. The rule states that as soon as the WR touches the ball you can knock the hell out of him. How many people agree with me that even a half a hit knocks the ball out of Tyrees hands? I bet you even agree with that. I have seen the replay too. ....many times!......So this was Assantes' fault?

Yes, Asante (can't you even get the guy's name right?) fault. He blew the coverage to begin with idiot. Its how Tyree was open in front of Harrison. Its why Harrison had to attempt the great play that he did. As for your other stupidity, Sanders wasn't "just standing there WATCHING". You can't tell what he was doing from a still picture. Also, NO, you don't gang tackle a guy who is in the air the way Tyree was. Had Sanders done so, it have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. And the rule says you cannot hit a defenseless player, regardless of whether he has the ball.

And, considering the hit that Rodney laid on him, its pure speculation that any other hit would have done ANYTHING. I don't care what you claim to have seen. You've proven time and again that your BIAS against Sanders makes you incapable of making a rational determination of what his actions are.

I realize you are one on the stars on the board and I do not want to tick you off, but there are other valid opinions out there. No disrespect. I might not always be right (i am in this case). It doesn't make a difference what you and I think anyway, does it?

No, in this case you are wrong. As you always have been about Sanders. You've been told so by numerous other people besides me. Your opinion is worthless because of your bias against Sanders. The bias you made long before the plays in question. So, how about just keeping your opinion on sanders to yourself since its as tired as a broken record. I wasn't the first person to call you out on this in this thread. And you need to realize that you are the one who made your opinion worthless on Sanders. Not anyone else.

Yep.... been a season ticket holder and have sat in my share of ice puddles up to my knees. I have actually played too.

We do this forum for pleasure. Lighten up there Francis.

I hope your guy Sanders has a spectacular season. Then you can "told-you-so" me all you want.
DW Toys

Flag football doesn't count. Neither does buying season tickets to the local pop warner team's games.

Sanders isn't "my guy." But when you continuously post your irrational and biased opinions about him to the point of absurdity, I feel that I do need to remind you that its not just been me who has told you how wrong you are about Sanders. Plenty of others have also.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's different from a visit to interview for a job, and you know that. I think we would have heard something on the news if something like that happened.

Did we hear anything in the news about Harrison coming here? What about Colvin?

What DWToys attempted to do (yes, it was a poor attempt) was to say that the Patriots should get permission to talk to Sheppard while the Eagles were in town to see if he's amenable to coming to Foxboro. If he was, get a deal done before the Eagles left after the game. I'd put money that we WOULDN'T hear about it except from Reiss and maybe the next day.. at the earliest.

 

[DW Toys]

No. I've already said that you are wrong and that Sanders didn't "OLAY" the play. You just have has this fascinating hatred of the guy ever since you started posting on the board. Every time you flap your trap about him, everyone knows you don't know what you are talking about.



With Brady as the QB? Why not. If Belichick has the faith in the offense, which he did.



Keep telling yourself that. Maybe in some alternate reality it might be true. But not in this world.



Yes, Asante (can't you even get the guy's name right?) fault. He blew the coverage to begin with idiot. Its how Tyree was open in front of Harrison. Its why Harrison had to attempt the great play that he did. As for your other stupidity, Sanders wasn't "just standing there WATCHING". You can't tell what he was doing from a still picture. Also, NO, you don't gang tackle a guy who is in the air the way Tyree was. Had Sanders done so, it have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. And the rule says you cannot hit a defenseless player, regardless of whether he has the ball.

And, considering the hit that Rodney laid on him, its pure speculation that any other hit would have done ANYTHING. I don't care what you claim to have seen. You've proven time and again that your BIAS against Sanders makes you incapable of making a rational determination of what his actions are.



No, in this case you are wrong. As you always have been about Sanders. You've been told so by numerous other people besides me. Your opinion is worthless because of your bias against Sanders. The bias you made long before the plays in question. So, how about just keeping your opinion on sanders to yourself since its as tired as a broken record. I wasn't the first person to call you out on this in this thread. And you need to realize that you are the one who made your opinion worthless on Sanders. Not anyone else.



Flag football doesn't count. Neither does buying season tickets to the local pop warner team's games.

Sanders isn't "my guy." But when you continuously post your irrational and biased opinions about him to the point of absurdity, I feel that I do need to remind you that its not just been me who has told you how wrong you are about Sanders. Plenty of others have also.

Lighten up Frances, You are still wrong. If you want to match up football resumes with me, be my guest. You are the same blowhard at a party that will try to outshout everybody so you make your point by being the loudest.

Like anybody else on this forum, I am entitled to my opinion. I am wrong many times. I am not about this. Even you know it. If my opinion doesn't match yours so be it.

You blew your cover big time on your knowledge when you said BB allowed the Colts to score to be 4 points ahead with a minute to go. I must have learned this from watching "Pop Warner" games.

As for this comment "And the rule says you cannot hit a defenseless player, regardless of whether he has the ball", you are kidding me right? I now understand your football capacity.

Friend, this is not the war in Iraq. You are always sarcastic to people you don't agree with on this forum. Stop it. This is for enjoyment, not a battle. Fight with your wife or dog. Look, you have interesting comments upon occasion. I know a little more about your knowledge of the game now. You are not above anyone else on this site.
DW Toys

 

[Wendel]

Bryant is done, to be honest, he should be cut, he has shown zonk, nada this pre-season, he's been Jason David like, freakin ugly............

Hobbs is what he is. His coverage skills are limited, but he's got heart, to be honest, he's a good nickel back and that's all he'll ever be. He's picked on week in and week out. How would DRC look right now ? He's lighting it up in Arizona............

Wheatley is better than either one of these guys and he better be starting against KC.

You called it.

 

[cstjohn17]

Bryant is done, to be honest, he should be cut, he has shown zonk, nada this pre-season, he's been Jason David like, freakin ugly............

Hobbs is what he is. His coverage skills are limited, but he's got heart, to be honest, he's a good nickel back and that's all he'll ever be. He's picked on week in and week out. How would DRC look right now ? He's lighting it up in Arizona............

Wheatley is better than either one of these guys and he better be starting against KC.

You nailed it buddy! Nice job.

 

[Warren94]

Dabruinz,

You attacking people again?

 

[Jimke]

If the Patriots can generate good pressure on the quarterback,

their cornerbacks will be adequate. If not, there will be a lot

of problems.

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

I was dismayed when they picked another smurf DB second round.

DW, we don't have smurf's. We have Hobb'its..

 

[Patslifer]

DRC is going to be a bust. Plain and simple.

Dan Connor and Curtis lofton just are not good fits for this defense.

Every year people whine and cry about the CBs or the safeties or the LBers or the WRs. You all just need something to cry about... Its got nothing to do with an actual evaluation of the team.

And all you do is ignore weakness on our team, and yell at people who dare say anything negative about the pats.

Guess we are all even "dabruinz".

 

[DaBruinz]

Lighten up Frances, You are still wrong. If you want to match up football resumes with me, be my guest. You are the same blowhard at a party that will try to outshout everybody so you make your point by being the loudest.

Sorry, You got it wrong as usual. I'm the guy who uses the facts to support himself. That's something you don't do. You just go on spewing your hatred of Sanders over and over again. And every year he shows you to be wrong.

Like anybody else on this forum, I am entitled to my opinion. I am wrong many times. I am not about this. Even you know it. If my opinion doesn't match yours so be it.

Never said you weren't entitled to your opinion. But you are also entitled to whatever reaction your opinion draws. That's the way the 1st Amendment works. Ain't it grand.

Yes, you are wrong about it. Just like you've been wrong about Sanders for the past few years.

You blew your cover big time on your knowledge when you said BB allowed the Colts to score to be 4 points ahead with a minute to go. I must have learned this from watching "Pop Warner" games.

Actually, I provided a hypothetical. I can see now that you took it as gospel. I also pointed out when BB gqve points and possession away by giving a safety to the Broncos.

As for this comment "And the rule says you cannot hit a defenseless player, regardless of whether he has the ball", you are kidding me right? I now understand your football capacity.

Friend, this is not the war in Iraq. You are always sarcastic to people you don't agree with on this forum. Stop it. This is for enjoyment, not a battle. Fight with your wife or dog. Look, you have interesting comments upon occasion. I know a little more about your knowledge of the game now. You are not above anyone else on this site.
DW Toys

I wasn't being sarcastic to you. I was treating you like the extremely biased and unknowledgable poster you prove yourself to be time and again. If you ignored me I wouldn't care. But there have been numerous people who have told you that you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Sanders and you act like they are idiots and don't know what they are talking about either.

Please don't pretend to know anything about me and my knowledge of the game. You don't.

 

[DaBruinz]

And all you do is ignore weakness on our team, and yell at people who dare say anything negative about the pats.

Guess we are all even "dabruinz".

I don't ignore the weaknesses on the Patriots. And I don't yell at everyone who says anything negative about the Patriots. I have called into questions things myself. But I back it up. Most yahoos just spew their opinion and say "Cause I said so" with no facts to support them. Which is what DW Toys has done regarding Sanders since day 1. And I am not the only one who has told him he doesn't know what he's talking about. Numerous other posters have.

Cornerback is a question mark on the Patriots right now. But to say its a "MAJOR WEAKNESS" when they haven't played a single game as a unit is the equivalent of running around like Chicken-Little claiming the sky is falling.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to voice my opinion on your opinion. You don't like it, you have the choice.

 

[NEPatriot]

I hope we fix our corner problem. We need to improve this area. I don't like the idea of depending on the front 7 because we are in big trouble if front 7 break down or another team throws a long pass.

 

[DaBruinz]

I hope we fix our corner problem. We need to improve this area. I don't like the idea of depending on the front 7 because we are in big trouble if front 7 break down or another team throws a long pass.

The defense that the Patriots run is predicated on the Front 7 applying pressure on the QB and causing bad throws. If you don't like the idea, then you are going to worry yourself sick because that is how they have run the defense since BB has been here.

Now, how do you KNOW that the CBs are a problem? Can you see the future? They are certainly a question mark, but it is really a problem.

Adding a 34 year old Ty Law isn't a total solution. I don't believe Ricky Manning is in the mix at all. Deltha O'Neal isn't a total solution.

I can remember in 2004 when Ty Law and Ty Poole went down. A lot of people were saying how the Pats were DONE. It was the front 7 who stepped up and made Samuel and Gay look good by applying a lot of pressure to the QB.

Time will tell if this is a major weakness or just the weakest part of a good team.

 

[Joker]

yeah, I agree with that last part...weakest part of a good defense

hate to drag out the ol' hackneyed expression, but "let's wait until the first six to eight games are played before we judge what we have.."

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

The defense that the Patriots run is predicated on the Front 7 applying pressure on the QB and causing bad throws. If you don't like the idea, then you are going to worry yourself sick because that is how they have run the defense since BB has been here.

Now, how do you KNOW that the CBs are a problem? Can you see the future? They are certainly a question mark, but it is really a problem.

Adding a 34 year old Ty Law isn't a total solution. I don't believe Ricky Manning is in the mix at all. Deltha O'Neal isn't a total solution.

I can remember in 2004 when Ty Law and Ty Poole went down. A lot of people were saying how the Pats were DONE. It was the front 7 who stepped up and made Samuel and Gay look good by applying a lot of pressure to the QB.

Time will tell if this is a major weakness or just the weakest part of a good team.

Unless your team has a 2007 D-Line like the Giants, you better improve your secondary. The Pats can't put pressure on the QB like the Giants and they don't have the CB's to make the QB hold the ball for a second longer. In fact, their CB's may be one of the worst in the NFL as of right now. The Pats front seven are not quick off the snap, leaving the QB to eat a sandwich before throwing the football. However, Adalius Thomas is an exception. I'd be shocked to hear one person actually comfortable with the current secondary. But your right, Law, Manning or any free agent is not the answer. On the other hand, I think the Pats should trade for Lito Sheppard. This may be the worst overall secondary I have seen the Pats put together.

 

[emoney_33]

Unless your team has a 2007 D-Line like the Giants, you better improve your secondary. The Pats can't put pressure on the QB like the Giants and they don't have the CB's to make the QB hold the ball for a second longer. In fact, their CB's may be one of the worst in the NFL as of right now. The Pats front seven are not quick off the snap, leaving the QB to eat a sandwich before throwing the football. However, Adalius Thomas is an exception. I'd be shocked to hear one person actually comfortable with the current secondary. But your right, Law, Manning or any free agent is not the answer. On the other hand, I think the Pats should trade for Lito Sheppard. This may be the worst overall secondary I have seen the Pats put together.

Worst in the NFL, really? So we should allow a boatload of points this year. Maybe 30-40 ppg?

 

[DaBruinz]

Unless your team has a 2007 D-Line like the Giants, you better improve your secondary. The Pats can't put pressure on the QB like the Giants and they don't have the CB's to make the QB hold the ball for a second longer. In fact, their CB's may be one of the worst in the NFL as of right now. The Pats front seven are not quick off the snap, leaving the QB to eat a sandwich before throwing the football. However, Adalius Thomas is an exception. I'd be shocked to hear one person actually comfortable with the current secondary. But your right, Law, Manning or any free agent is not the answer. On the other hand, I think the Pats should trade for Lito Sheppard. This may be the worst overall secondary I have seen the Pats put together.

How do you know the Patriots can't put pressure on the QB like the Giants can? How do you know that the Pats CBs may be one of the worst in the NFL right now?

Those statements are made as if you can actually see the future. Is that you Miss Cleo (there is sarcasm for you DW)?

As for where this secondary falls in terms of the Patriots all-time history, we'll only be able to tell that after the season is over.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Bryant is done, to be honest, he should be cut, he has shown zonk, nada this pre-season, he's been Jason David like, freakin ugly............

Hobbs is what he is. His coverage skills are limited, but he's got heart, to be honest, he's a good nickel back and that's all he'll ever be. He's picked on week in and week out. How would DRC look right now ? He's lighting it up in Arizona............

Wheatley is better than either one of these guys and he better be starting against KC.

Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I called it..........

 

[Disco Volante]

Well done sir.