I can not see how Gutierrez is not by far the #2 QB now

[MoLewisrocks]

i'm sure some will be playing like kiwanuka. you never know who will play or not.

No, you do - teams rarely play bonefide starters more than a series at best in weeks 1 and 4 because in week 1 they aren't ready to play longer without risking injury and in week 4 there is no time to recover from a little ouchie before it starts counting. Week 4 is where fringe guys get a shot at changing minds relative to the last spot or two on a roster or PS.

 

[PromisedLand]

While BB has been very supportive of Cassel in his public comments I can't help but wonder if he was merely trying to bolster the kid's confidence. Or perhaps talk up his trade value (though I doubt any NFL GM's would be dumb enough to fall for that). That could also be the reason he has let him try to continue his preseason "starter's" play despite his poor performances - he may have hoped he would show enough that some GM would offer us a low pick for him.

The kid might have the physical skills, but (perhaps due to his lack of playing time going back all the way to high school) he just doesn't seem to have the decisiveness needed to succeed in the NFL. With this being the last year on his contract I suspect the team is trying to get positioned at the backup spot for next year and beyond. Thus the O'Connell pick. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they kept Brady, Gutierrez and O'Connell.

 

[Mack Herron]

Gutierrez makes it on performance in the opportunities he has had. O'Connel makes it because he had enough potential to be drafted pretty high, needs more time, and will not clear waivers. BB will decide whether he thinks theree is enough potential in Cassel to keep 4 QBs over whoever else is at the end of the roster. Cassel has certanly shown little in games we have seen, so he has failed in his opportunities and I can see no reason to keep him.

 

[Deus Irae]

The irony of all the armchair scouts talking about what they see as if they know more than Belioli continues to amuse.

Now, Gut, on the strength of a bunch of jump ball passes and throws to wide open receivers is suddenly the next Rohan Davey, err the next Michael Bishop, err..... the next Tom Brady.

I don't know how the QB battle will shake out, I don't know what the parameters have been for the various quarterbacks while on the field, and I'm concerned that this team is in trouble no matter who lines up under center if it's not Brady. However, I'm reasonably sure that it's not going to come down to Belichick saying "What the hell have I been thinking for 3 years with this kid?".

 

[PromisedLand]

The irony of all the armchair scouts talking about what they see as if they know more than Belioli continues to amuse.

Now, Gut, on the strength of a bunch of jump ball passes and throws to wide open receivers is suddenly the next Rohan Davey, err the next Michael Bishop, err..... the next Tom Brady.

I don't know how the QB battle will shake out, I don't know what the parameters have been for the various quarterbacks while on the field, and I'm concerned that this team is in trouble no matter who lines up under center if it's not Brady. However, I'm reasonably sure that it's not going to come down to Belichick saying "What the hell have I been thinking for 3 years with this kid?".

Because after waiting 3 years for Davey to pan out, he became the next Brady? Wrong. They cut him. So, Mr. Derision, what makes you think that Mr. Cassel is safe from the same fate?

 

[Deus Irae]

Because after waiting 3 years for Davey to pan out, he became the next Brady? Wrong. They cut him. So, Mr. Derision, what makes you think that Mr. Cassel is safe from the same fate?

I don't claim Cassel is safe from being cut. I've put forth my point as to why it seems to me that he's the team's #2 QB right now, and I don't attack players based upon exhibition games without knowing what should be happening, and without taking into account the different personnel involved as well.

Realistically, it's only the kickers, punters and return men that the viewer can truly evaluate on anything approaching an even playing field with the coaching staff during these exhibition games, because we simply don't know the variables involved with the other players.

Last night's game was a perfect example. Throngs of fans were clamoring for the head of Cassel and ballwashing Gut. Meanwhile, Cross, who's actually played the game and was trying to give an even appraisal of things, was defending Cassel's play and pointing out how Gut was getting away with some jump ball throws as well as throwing to players who were actually open and having time to make the throws because the line was giving him the time it didn't give Cassel.

 

[Frezo]

My question is if Gut had played the same amount of time in the PS as Cassel, would he be seen as a bona-fide #2 not just for the Pats, but in the NFL in general? He's flashed on a couple of drives where Cassel hasn't, but I'm far from convinced that he's worthy of being a #2 on any team. Saying that if Brady goes down the Pats are toast anyway is a cop out. This team should have a respectable backup QB.

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't claim Cassel is safe from being cut. I've put forth my point as to why it seems to me that he's the team's #2 QB right now, and I don't attack players based upon exhibition games without knowing what should be happening, and without taking into account the different personnel involved as well.

I see. Apparently you prefer to attack your fellow posters.

 

[Deus Irae]

I see. Apparently you prefer to attack your fellow posters.

My 'fellow posters' are acting ridiculous about exhibition games and I'm pointing that out. Now, if you want to make it personal, we can go down that road.

 

[fgssand]

My 'fellow posters' are acting ridiculous about exhibition games and I'm pointing that out. Now, if you want to make it personal, we can go down that road.

Deus - your right....Cassell is the #2, back up and I have every confidence that once he is given a real game plan, with 10 other starters and coaching to win - he can get the job done if the worst ever happens with Brady.

I an baffled by what is being written about him, the team and all the band wagon jumpers this pre season.

 

[Jimke]

Deus - your right....Cassell is the #2, back up and I have every confidence that once he is given a real game plan, with 10 other starters and coaching to win - he can get the job done if the worst ever happens with Brady.

I an baffled by what is being written about him, the team and all the band wagon jumpers this pre season.

Unfortunately, on third down the coaching staff cannot throw the ball

for Cassell and keep a drive going.

 

[ALP]

if nothing changes in the fourth game...

let cassell join the PS

of course every other team would be licking its chops to get their hands on someone with such knowledge of the playbook...

 

[FarScapeR]

Cassel has trouble reading defenses, from what I can tell. Yeah, the line isn't buying him enough time, but he isn't adjusting and audibling as well as Gutierrez to pressure situations.

 

[patriot lifer]

i love how once the season gets going, we won't even be thinking about this sort of thing (assuming Brady's healthy)

 

[PATRIOT64]

Deus - your right....Cassell is the #2, back up and I have every confidence that once he is given a real game plan, with 10 other starters and coaching to win - he can get the job done if the worst ever happens with Brady.

I an baffled by what is being written about him, the team and all the band wagon jumpers this pre season.

Oh,Give me a freaking break - Who was the only QB that was SO BAD in last years game against 1-15 Miami that Brady had to actually come back in after Jason Taylor was practically HANDED the ball from Casell and went for the pick six during the REAL REGULAR season so Brady had to come in because Casell was ready to give Miami new hope by sucking up the whole fu(king field that day in the short time he was in to PROTECT the lead? - Thats one of many fu(k ups Casell has shown so far in his pathetic existence on this team - Its a wonder he can hold a clipboard without dropping it.

Lets face it and for those who don't, you are just BSing not only us but yourselves and that is deep down inside we are all saying "Hey BB,Tell us what the Flying Fu(k do you see in this loser doofus of a QB?"

Thats exactly what every fan in Patriots nation is thinking about our #2 at this point without a doubt.

And BTW: I am not a bandwagon fan,I just would like a guy to carry this team should Brady inevitably get injured sometime - Cassel is not talented enough to provide serving Gatorade to the bench players let along running this offense IMO which is why it is so frustrating as to what he actual has done to keep him here.

Maybe he does stand up comedy in the locker room when the team is trailing at halftime to keep the guys hopes up? - Possibly THATS the reason

 

[fgssand]

Oh,Give me a freaking break - Who was the only QB that was SO BAD in last years game against 1-15 Miami that Brady had to actually come back in after Jason Taylor was practically HANDED the ball from Casell and went for the pick six during the REAL REGULAR season so Brady had to come in because Casell was ready to give Miami new hope by sucking up the whole fu(king field that day in the short time he was in to PROTECT the lead? - Thats one of many fu(k ups Casell has shown so far in his pathetic existence on this team - Its a wonder he can hold a clipboard without dropping it.

Lets face it and for those who don't, you are just BSing not only us but yourselves and that is deep down inside we are all saying "Hey BB,Tell us what the Flying Fu(k do you see in this loser doofus of a QB?"

Thats exactly what every fan in Patriots nation is thinking about our #2 at this point without a doubt.

And BTW: I am not a bandwagon fan,I just would like a guy to carry this team should Brady inevitably get injured sometime - Cassel is not talented enough to provide Gatorade to the bench players IMO which is why it is so frustrating as to what he actual has done to keep him here.

I guess your right, BB must not know ho to evaluate talent, especially when it comes to QB's.

I really think he is nowhere near as bad as what you think you are seeing, all things considered. Things such as protection, running game, game plan etc etc.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I guess your right, BB must not know ho to evaluate talent, especially when it comes to QB's.

I really think he is nowhere near as bad as what you think you are seeing, all things considered. Things such as protection, running game, game plan etc etc.

Well BB for some reason likes the guy,Maybe he has something that is a help in the locker room or whatever,I could be 85 years old before I figure that out,Usually I can get a jist of why a guy is still on the team but this QB has me totally baffled

For those who back Cassel, lets have a post within a post shall we?

QUESTION...

In the years Cassel has been on the team, name 10 things (even if they are the tiniest things) he has done on the field in the little time he has been there both regular in garbage time and the preseason to justify him being the #2 right now?

...Come on, you can name 10 things can't you?...Ok. how about 9 -8 ,maybe 7 - even 6? come on now,you can do better than that![/b]

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh,Give me a freaking break - Who was the only QB that was SO BAD in last years game against 1-15 Miami that Brady had to actually come back in after Jason Taylor was practically HANDED the ball from Casell and went for the pick six during the REAL REGULAR season so Brady had to come in because Casell was ready to give Miami new hope by sucking up the whole fu(king field that day in the short time he was in to PROTECT the lead? - Thats one of many fu(k ups Casell has shown so far in his pathetic existence on this team - Its a wonder he can hold a clipboard without dropping it.

Lets face it and for those who don't, you are just BSing not only us but yourselves and that is deep down inside we are all saying "Hey BB,Tell us what the Flying Fu(k do you see in this loser doofus of a QB?"

Thats exactly what every fan in Patriots nation is thinking about our #2 at this point without a doubt.

And BTW: I am not a bandwagon fan,I just would like a guy to carry this team should Brady inevitably get injured sometime - Cassel is not talented enough to provide serving Gatorade to the bench players let along running this offense IMO which is why it is so frustrating as to what he actual has done to keep him here.

Maybe he does stand up comedy in the locker room when the team is trailing at halftime to keep the guys hopes up? - Possibly THATS the reason

Yes, you truly have shown the proof. Bad picks against Miami mean a player should never QB in this league.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241220015

 

[Deus Irae]

Well BB for some reason likes the guy,Maybe he has something that is a help in the locker room or whatever,I could be 85 years old before I figure that out,Usually I can get a jist of why a guy is still on the team but this QB has me totally baffled

For those who back Cassel, lets have a post within a post shall we?

QUESTION...

In the years Cassel has been on the team, name 10 things (even if they are the tiniest things) he has done on the field in the little time he has been there both regular in garbage time and the preseason to justify him being the #2 right now?

...Come on, you can name 10 things can't you?...Ok. how about 9 -8 ,maybe 7 - even 6? come on now,you can do better than that![/b]

Ummm.... how many regular season or playoff games has Brady missed since Cassel has been on the team?

 

[PATRIOT64]

Yes, you truly have shown the proof. Bad picks against Miami mean a player should never QB in this league.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241220015

The difference there is Brady had played in ALOT of games prior to his one mistake that night and you can always allow the great ones to mess up once in a while.

With the FEW times Casell has been on the field he has done N-O-T-H-I-N-G but to ensure that the opposing team's chances to win will remain well into the game or if the opposition is ahead, they will stay there.

If New England was down by 14 points with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter and Cassel is in the game at starting QB I would say you have a
less than a snowball's chance in hell to hope for anything but to expect the inevitable loss,maybe even inflate the opponents score during that time.