Can Gutierrez clear waivers to PS?

[Spiral]

I guess I would just put myself in the shoes of another team's GM. Why bring in a QB onto your 53 man roster who doesn't know your system, was un-drafted and has 1 career completion.

I am sure fans of most teams over value their players but really what is the big deal? He seems highly replaceable.

Agree completely. I think it would be a gamble for anyone to claim him off waivers on the final cut-down day and put him on their 53-man roster. He would have no knowledge of his new team's offense and really couldn't be used in a game. The Patriots may like him, but let's face it--he's probably not the #2 QB in 2008, and probably won't be in 2009. This may sound a little harsh, but if he clears waivers and makes it to the PS, great. If not, well...BB and Scott will take a chance on someone else.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

You're right. Because of Ryan Leaf no one should ever draft anyone #1. Impeccable logic.

I'm just saying Gutz deserves a chance to win the job, but since Ryan Leaf failed all arguments mean nothing now.

Don't take my comments so literally. I was, in a bad way I guess, stating that
potential because of high school and college achievements mean very little when
evaluating NFL talent. It means a lot when selecting them but has very little
applicability from there on. It's like a college degree when looking for a job.
It's a ticket to get into the work force but from there on it's all you. Some
fail miserably.

 

[WhiZa]

If Gutierrez was on any other team we would not even know his name. He has proven to be good enough to get threw TC a second year and that's commendable, but the fact of the matter is there were 255 picks last year and he was not one of them. Since then he has not proven anything worthwhile for a team to pick him up and just throw him into the rotation week 1. I say he clears waiver's easily.

My final Pats QB roster: TB, MC (or vet), KO. Gutz to the PS.

 

[cstjohn17]

Agree completely. I think it would be a gamble for anyone to claim him off waivers on the final cut-down day and put him on their 53-man roster. He would have no knowledge of his new team's offense and really couldn't be used in a game. The Patriots may like him, but let's face it--he's probably not the #2 QB in 2008, and probably won't be in 2009. This may sound a little harsh, but if he clears waivers and makes it to the PS, great. If not, well...BB and Scott will take a chance on someone else.

Exactly....

 

[cstjohn17]

If Gutierrez was on any other team we would not even know his name. He has proven to be good enough to get threw TC a second year and that's commendable, but the fact of the matter is there were 255 picks last year and he was not one of them. Since then he has not proven anything worthwhile for a team to pick him up and just throw him into the rotation week 1. I say he clears waiver's easily.

My final Pats QB roster: TB, MC (or vet), KO. Gutz to the PS.

Exactly.... even more perfectly said than Spiral, I agree with both of you completely.

 

[Rob0729]

Why are you (or anyone) even entertaining the thought that O'Connell will be cut?

I don't see any way they cut a developmental, third round quarterback the same year they drafted him unless he showed absolutely nothing in training camp and practice or did something horrendous off the field. Neither has happened and a rare physical talent at quarterback is not the type of player that clears waivers. I doubt he'd get past the Dolphins, even.

It makes no sense at all.

I am not really entertaining the option. I am just saying those are the options available. I never said it would happen and I have been the one who has been saying there is a good chance that the Pats carry 4 QBs unless someone gets IRed. At this point, Gutierrez may be attractive to other teams than O'Connell right now though.

BTW, I have high hopes for O'Connell, but let's not put him in the category that he could be Tom Brady with a little polishing just yet. Many people felt the Pats massively reached with the guy and some didn't expect him to be drafted until the sixth or seventh round.

 

[Rob0729]

Agree completely. I think it would be a gamble for anyone to claim him off waivers on the final cut-down day and put him on their 53-man roster. He would have no knowledge of his new team's offense and really couldn't be used in a game. The Patriots may like him, but let's face it--he's probably not the #2 QB in 2008, and probably won't be in 2009. This may sound a little harsh, but if he clears waivers and makes it to the PS, great. If not, well...BB and Scott will take a chance on someone else.

Except that Gutierrez was the media darling of undrafted free agent pick ups last year and Adam Schefter already outed the Patriots for being in love with the guy and his potential. Those are two facts are going to hurt the Patriots if they try to cut him and pass him through waivers to the practice squad. Another team could add him for the third QB out of spite.

The one thing people seem to forget is Gutierrez is an excellent #3 QB for a lot of teams. Some teams barely have a #1 QB. Gutierrez seems to have the skills, but needs polishing. I think at least a few teams may take a shot at him just to see if he could turn into something. That is why I think it may be tough to get the guy through waivers. Maybe tougher than O'Connell just because he is that much farther along.

 

[tombonneau]

I can think of 13 teams that would pick him up.

Who are they? I find it extremely difficult to believe that even the most QB-hungry team in the NFL would cut someone from their 53 at the end of August to sign a second-year QB who has shown just about nothing while playing on the best offensive team in the history of the NFL.

It's not like a team would be making a lateral PS-to-PS move; they'd have to cut a member of their team and sign him to their 53.

 

[Rob0729]

Who are they? I find it extremely difficult to believe that even the most QB-hungry team in the NFL would cut someone from their 53 at the end of August to sign a second-year QB who has shown just about nothing while playing on the best offensive team in the history of the NFL.

It's not like a team would be making a lateral PS-to-PS move; they'd have to cut a member of their team and sign him to their 53.

Although I don't know if 13 teams would sign him, do you seriously believe that all 31 teams have as their 3rd QB who has shown more than Gutierrez? We are talking about a #3 QB here, not a starter. Most teams carry 3 QBs and most team's 3rd QB is a guy very much like Gutierrez (an unheralded young player with little or no NFL experience).

Besides, what does the best offense in history have to do with anything? He wasn't going to supplant Brady on the roster and with Cassel at #2 the past two years, Gutierrez has played mostly with guys who can't make the 53 man roster or barely make it. It isn't like Gutierrez gets to throw to Moss and Welker.

 

[Deus Irae]

Except that Gutierrez was the media darling of undrafted free agent pick ups last year and Adam Schefter already outed the Patriots for being in love with the guy and his potential. Those are two facts are going to hurt the Patriots if they try to cut him and pass him through waivers to the practice squad. Another team could add him for the third QB out of spite.

The one thing people seem to forget is Gutierrez is an excellent #3 QB for a lot of teams. Some teams barely have a #1 QB. Gutierrez seems to have the skills, but needs polishing. I think at least a few teams may take a shot at him just to see if he could turn into something. That is why I think it may be tough to get the guy through waivers. Maybe tougher than O'Connell just because he is that much farther along.

Ehhh.... people here are pimping Gutierrez and bashing Cassel, but Gutierrez' passer rating, against lesser competition, isn't exactly impressive either, and he's tossed as many int's as has Cassel. I'm not sure there will be a barrage of teams knocking on his door.

 

[RayClay]

Don't take my comments so literally. I was, in a bad way I guess, stating that
potential because of high school and college achievements mean very little when
evaluating NFL talent. It means a lot when selecting them but has very little
applicability from there on. It's like a college degree when looking for a job.
It's a ticket to get into the work force but from there on it's all you. Some
fail miserably.

Sorry.

My point was Gutteriez was accomplished and competitive but had an arm injury. Cassel was well rated out of high school but we don't really know anything about his competitiveness except that he lost to two QBS, both of whom were very good. How close that competition was is unknown.

No one's saying Cassel doesn't have the physical tools, but having looked at both for a year and three respectively, we don't know what BB and co. think of them. Competitiveness or complacency seems to be one of the questions.

 

[tombonneau]

Although I don't know if 13 teams would sign him, do you seriously believe that all 31 teams have as their 3rd QB who has shown more than Gutierrez? We are talking about a #3 QB here, not a starter. Most teams carry 3 QBs and most team's 3rd QB is a guy very much like Gutierrez (an unheralded young player with little or no NFL experience).

Besides, what does the best offense in history have to do with anything? He wasn't going to supplant Brady on the roster and with Cassel at #2 the past two years, Gutierrez has played mostly with guys who can't make the 53 man roster or barely make it. It isn't like Gutierrez gets to throw to Moss and Welker.

If the guy has shown any kind of spark, I could see a team ditching their own #3 and picking him and taking a chance. But you'd be jettisoning a guy you've already put the time in for who knows your system just to replace him with someone "because he was on the Patriots"? Because really there would be no other reason for a team to pick him up other than some sort of perceived Patriots pedigree. If this guy was the #3 (or #4, let's be honest) QB for the Lions, he wouldn't get a sniff once he is cut. And I don't think he'll get a sniff when the Pats cut him.

 

[stcjones]

Is he eleigible?

I was wondering why Gutierrez didn't see any action last Sunday night? Could it be that Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli think they can get Gutierrez through waivers and onto the Practice Squad easier than O'Connell (a 3rd Round Drfat Pick)?

I also remember that Gutierrez played some special teams last year and that he was the #2 QB with Cassel as the #3 (emergency) QB. Gutierrez is almost TE size and speed. At 6' 4" 230, he is only 18 lbs ligher than Dave Thomas. He is also faster I believe.

Just a thought.

You ARE kidding right?????

 

[stcjones]

I think he might...and that COULD happen...but is Cassel ready to be the backup? I doubt they will keep 4..so unless cassel is ready, they could cut both and pick up a vet. Guts is eligible for the PSquad..he could end up there. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 games.

The only backup Cassel could be in Foxboro....is the backup to the Head Janitor......

 

[stcjones]

I think he might...and that COULD happen...but is Cassel ready to be the backup? I doubt they will keep 4..so unless cassel is ready, they could cut both and pick up a vet. Guts is eligible for the PSquad..he could end up there. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 games.

If Matt Cassel is "Not ready" after 4 years......he never will be.....

 

[stcjones]

It's assumed because Cassel has been #2, he's better than Gutierrez.

Gutierrez actually won the job at Michigan, a very competitive school (just ask Brady) before getting hurt.

also...


Lettered in football at DeLaSalle High School ... never lost a game at DeLaSalle ... he went 252-of-456 for 5,032 yards and 64 touchdowns, with just nine interceptions ... his high school quarterback rating was 190.4, and it was 206.7 as a senior ... tossed five touchdowns in the CIF North Coast 4A championship ... was ranked amongst the top 100 high school recruits by both SuperPrep Magazine and Rivals.100.com.

So who's the better prospect?

Finally a breath of sanity here......Thank you.....Thank you....THANK YOU!!!!
Cassel has shown NOTHING in 4 years here.....well except that he seems to be SUCKING MORE every year........Gutz has shown alot of potential and poise going into his second year.......great stats above by the way........proves my point even more....thx

 

[stcjones]

Why are you (or anyone) even entertaining the thought that O'Connell will be cut?

I don't see any way they cut a developmental, third round quarterback the same year they drafted him unless he showed absolutely nothing in training camp and practice or did something horrendous off the field. Neither has happened and a rare physical talent at quarterback is not the type of player that clears waivers. I doubt he'd get past the Dolphins, even.

It makes no sense at all.

that is the dumbest thought that I have heard on the Pats this year.....Cutting Okee.......ummmm WHAT?????

 

[stcjones]

If Gutierrez was on any other team we would not even know his name. He has proven to be good enough to get threw TC a second year and that's commendable, but the fact of the matter is there were 255 picks last year and he was not one of them. Since then he has not proven anything worthwhile for a team to pick him up and just throw him into the rotation week 1. I say he clears waiver's easily.

My final Pats QB roster: TB, MC (or vet), KO. Gutz to the PS.

Again.....please.....what has Matt Cassel shown you that gives you even remotely any confidence that he can step in and lead this team to victory.....cripes he has YET to lead the offense down for a score this preseason.....against first and second teams,........Maybe we will sign a vet if they don't feel like Gutz is ready.....but if Cassel is still on this team at the start of the season as the #2 guy.......please pray on your knees every day for the health of Tom Brady.....

 

[RayClay]

Finally a breath of sanity here......Thank you.....Thank you....THANK YOU!!!!
Cassel has shown NOTHING in 4 years here.....well except that he seems to be SUCKING MORE every year........Gutz has shown alot of potential and poise going into his second year.......great stats above by the way........proves my point even more....thx

It is my belief that he's plateaued because he was given a lot of leeway due to never playing in college. I don't pretend to have any idea what the coaching staff thinks, but it could be they wanted a long look at him.

Maybe they think Gutz might improve and Cassel has flatlined as some paper put it.

Maybe they're all right with Cassel, I don't know. Either way, I bet they'd like to see some fire and desire.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

If Gutierrez was on any other team we would not even know his name. He has proven to be good enough to get threw TC a second year and that's commendable, but the fact of the matter is there were 255 picks last year and he was not one of them. Since then he has not proven anything worthwhile for a team to pick him up and just throw him into the rotation week 1. I say he clears waiver's easily.

My final Pats QB roster: TB, MC (or vet), KO. Gutz to the PS.

This sums up how I feel. I don't see how Gutierrez is worth opening a spot up on a 53. Every team has a developmental guy like him, and NE has a better developmental guy.

NE needs three QBs: starter (Brady), developmental (O'Connell), and a backup who can play if the starter gets hurt (?). Unless Gutierrez can fill the backup role he doesn't really have a spot on NE's 53.

We don't need him to be a backup in 2 years. That's what O'Connell is around for. We need someone who can step in if needed this year.