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Re: Reiss 7/29 PM notes

Apologies. The Dookfish is a rookie and not permitted to commence a new thread. I am limited in my computer skills and pathetic in that regard without my son The Beanfish at my side, but you or a moderator should feel free to reorganize my postings.. Respectfully submitted, The Dookfish (decidedly a he fish, not a she fish)
 
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Use some paragraphs next time dude.
 
Re: Reiss 7/29 PM notes

Use some paragraphs next time dude.

the dookfish doesn't use paragraphs, doesn't believe in stop signs, and eats as much read meat as he pleases.

I take it you didn't get the memo
 
Re: Reiss 7/29 PM notes

Apologies. The Dookfish is a rookie and not permitted to commence a new thread. I am limited in my computer skills and pathetic in that regard without my son The Beanfish at my side, but you or a moderator should feel free to reorganize my postings.. Respectfully submitted, The Dookfish (decidedly a he fish, not a she fish)
Not to worry Dook, football observation skills hold more value to me than gramma, spellink, punchushun, or 'puter smahts - just keep going to camp and feeding us the red meat! Well done!
 
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10 (?) posts before you can start a thread?

We've got some really good analysts around here! BTW:

:welcome:
 
Re: Reiss 7/29 PM notes

The Dookfish has insight and details that dance circles around even the best beat writers. Having been to camp a few times, I know how hard it is to make this many observations without missing what's going on in another part of the field or simply forgetting to write sufficient notes.

I am thoroughly impressed with Dookfish and secretly wonder if he brings his entire school of fish with him rather than just Beanfish. Perhaps you bring along a heavy drinking uncle: barfish, a wife: damselfish, a granny: needlefish, and the rest of your kids: flashlightfish, hatchetfish, and moonfish. I was suprised to find out that there is actually a footballfish. Who knew?

I find your lack of good whitespace usage and corny signoff endearing, although the latter allowed me find out that you are also a RedSox fan (big suprise right!) and that you have your own blog... although I regrettably could not read it because I work for one of those companies that block half the internet.

Keep those insightful posts coming. I'm eating this stuff up like a flabby whalefish... although after futher examination, I think sarcastic fringehead fish might better describe me.
 
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The Dookfish should be the official correspondent of Patsfans.com. He has just submitted the best series of training Camp observations EVA on this site! Go, Dookfish!
 
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Defensive Line: Let me begin by responding to a comment on LBs by a fellow poster. As to the observation that Alexander is at greater risk than Izzo, I concur though I think they are both at considerable risk given the special team talents of Aiken and Guyton and the return abilities of Slater. Guyton is listed at 6'3" 242 lbs, Alexander at 6'2" 240. The truth is very different. By observation Guyton is 2 or 3 inches taller and 15 lbs heavier. More significantly, 1 Alexander's lack of cover skills were fully evident in the one on one match ups with RB/TEs. He cannot change directions well, and his lack of ball awareness is evident. Most significantly, Alexander took zero reps with the 1s or 2s. On the Dline, the most notable development is the ongoing and obvious search for a NT backup. Wilfork looks quicker this year. He was not turned on a single play as happened his rookie year regularly. He pushed the pile on a couple of bull rushes and made it uncomfortable for Brady/Cassell. He enveloped the ballcarrier on two sweeps on the cutback. He is simply the best defensive player on the team. Interestingly, LeKevin took no snaps at DT and played RDE with the 1s in Seymour's absence. 2 Ty Warren was quiet all evening and did not pressure the QB. The single most impressive rush of the evening was by Steven Fifita on the nose bullrushing over Jimmy Martin to sack the QB. By observation, 3 Fifita's lack of height (6'1" listing exaggerates his stature by at least two inches) would seem to be a major hurdle. Norwell got no reps. Kenny Smith and Santonio Thomas had no penetration but Santonio stood his ground well on running plays. Titus Adams took no reps but his mere presence is a bit disconcerting as the plethora of no talent NTs in camp makes me concerned as to the health of Mike Wright. In addition to back-up NT duties, Wright has historically played a lead blocking role on kickoff returns. Look for Lamont Jordan to play that role in the exhibition season as he did with the Jets in his youth. A discussion of DL would be incomplete without a mention of our third down DEs-Crable, Woods and Adalius last night. Crable will not play a prototypical OLB role. His change of direction limitations make him (like Colvin before him) a liability in coverage. 90 % of his snaps will come from thr right DE position as a pass rusher. His length, stride and surprising strength give him a huge upside. 4 I did not observe Woods make a single play last night after taking all of the snaps with the 1S. He was washed out on a couple of sweeps. He will undoubtedly mare the squad as a special teamer but the pass rush snaps will go to Crable substituting for Bruschi on 3rd down. Adalius will play a different role on those occassions dropping in coverage or opportunistically blitzing the gaps. His third down role will be varied, rushing from RDE with Crable out and taking on the versatile Seau role when Crable is out. Crable will see snaps this year and will quickly go past Woods. Crable is two inches taller by observation and more sudden. My fellow posters may think it odd to see so much ink spilled on Woods/Crable/Adalius on a post devoted to DL. It is no accident. BB is breeding two distinct DE types for different downs and functions. The run stuffers led by Warren and Seymour backed up by LeKevin and Jarvis and the 3rd down pass rushers led by Crable and Woods. Only Vrabel and Adalius play the more traditional and versatile 3-4 outside backer. Most tellingly, during a positional breakout Crable practiced live pass rush with the DLs while all of the other LBs ran a coverage drill. What does that tell us about Crable's skillset and BB's intended use of same? At the risk of overkill, I will observe that 5 the single most impressive physical specimen on the field last night was Crable. Think Jeavann Kearse in his pre-injury youth... Respectfully submitted, The Dookfish

1 Anderson is terrible as a LB. Since this year's squad is replete with ST talent, color Anderson GONE unless we're hit with lots of injuries

2 Ty was quiet but he blew up one pass play with Cassie at QB late in the session

3 Fitna IS short just as you describe. Remember the problems a previous short NT had here, hiting QBs in the chin with his helmut? 15 yds, 1st down.

4 I saw the same pathetic non-performance from Woods. He is WAY overdue for showing he can play LB. He can't. He's also out of position during plays.

5 I agree with your description of Crabs as a specimen. He IS tall and broad in the pads. Skinny calves but he can pass rush, at least against guys like Wesley Britt. :) Hope your huge expectations pan out. Regardless, The Crab not only makes the squad but he PLAYS on game day. That's wicked pissah for a guy drafted when he was.
 
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Saftey: I am prepared to identify a training camp sleeper. Antwain Spain lit it up for the second successive night with a deflection pick on Brady. Tank is exclusively an ILB at present with not a single rep at SS. Interestingly, Rodney subbed in for Tank at the same position in the two minute. Rodney also took some reps at his traditional SS. Assuming arguendo that Tank is for all purposes an ILB and Rodney is playing at the line on third down and long, that leaves Sanders (inactive tonight) and Merriweather effectively as the deep cover in the dime and probably the nickel. We need three deep cover safeties on the 53. Tank for certain and Rodney at his age are not candidates. The candidates are Webster and shockingly Spann, with the winner likely based on special teams play. Spann had a number of snaps with the 1s and 2s tonight substituting for Sanders. I noted Capers coaching him up on a couple of occasions and Rodney talking to him as well. If he can light it up on special teams, the unlikely Antwann Spain has a shot. You heard it here first. BB rewards performance, not pedigree or draft status. The larger point here is that there are two species of SS in our system: at the line/ILB type SS like Tank and Rodney and back line SS like Sanders and Spann. On the other hand, Meriweather at FS continues to disappoint. On the Brady to Moss to Brady bomb to Jabar (Remember the TD on this call last year!), Jabar dropped the ball this time. More to the point, Meriweather was in position to break up the pass and failed to make a play on the ball. His inability to track the ball in the air, more than his stone hands, is a fatal flaw to FS play in the NFL. I apologize for the harsh review and am no doubt overreacting to one play, but Ed Reed deflects that ball. Ball skills are essential and I have yet to observe same in Mr. Meriweather. Rodney took a surprising number of snaps but sat out (with Pollard) the wind "sprints" at the end of practice.

Respectfully submitted, The Dookfish

Next Position: DL

P.S. The DookFish doesn't do paragraphs.

P.P.S. The DookFish needs to go to bed.

Very good breakdowns. thank you very much. I especially ike the way you have discussed specifics roles and position flexability.

Can you go to every practice and post these everyday? :D

I am suprised you think Merriweather isn't looking good, I have heard nothing but praise for him this camp.
 
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I am suprised you think Merriweather isn't looking good, I have heard nothing but praise for him this camp.
He admitted the opinion on Meriweather was based on one play so I'm taking that particular opinion with a grain of salt - unlike the posts as a whole.
 
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Who was that?

Dan Klecko. As a Pat he got 15 yd personal foul penalties as he broke thru the middle, sacked the QB but he was so short that his helmut hit the QB in the chin (face) which is a penalty. Saw it happen live twice.
 
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Great stuff. Nice to hear strong opinions backed up by live observation. By someone who can distinguish what's happening on the field. When I go to camp (next week, I hope) I'll be lucky to distinguish the hot dog vendor. Thanks, DookFish. Respectfully read, The PatsFan37.
 
Great great great reports!! Please keep it up.

Anybody struggling with the lack of paragraphs can do what I do to make it more readable: highlight the lines as you read them so they stand out from the ones above and below.

Respectfully Responding,
TB146
 
I'm enjoying the Dookfish era.
 
Return of the DookFish

The Art of Separation:Apologies for my extended absence. In my prior posts, I focused on the defense by position with observations from last Sunday's practice. I offer my condolences in advance to the apologists for Messrs. Jackson and Maroney. My starting hypothesis, oft stated by BB and frequently ignored by posters on this board, is that BB looks for two elements in his pass catchers--(A) the ability to "get open," and (B) the ability to catch. The focus of this post is on element A. It is notable in BB's prescription that there is no mention of height, body type, speed or musculature. The practice I observed included two segments bearing directly on this issue. The first was a one on one drill featuring linebackers (plus the proposed SS transferee-Tank Williams) head to head against TEs and RBs. The pass catchers in this drill were not assigned a specific route. Rather, they were instructed to "get open" in any way they saw fit. The second segment consisted of repeated full field 2 minute drives by the 1s and 2s against the D's 1s and 2s. In the first drill, the pass catcher whose ability to "get open" most impressed me was LaMont Jordan. His steps were precise; his cuts were sharp; and he did not hesitate or reset his feet to make the catch. Conversely, Lawrence Maloney rounded his cuts; displayed no ability to juke; and no ability to use the defender's momentum against him. He is overly muscled and lacks the grace and balance to adjust to the ball without stopping or slowing his forward progress. In simple terms, Lamont has the knack necessary to gain separation. Maroney quite simply does not. Maroney is faster, stronger (I think), and has the more Adonis-like physique. Lamont has the agility, the cutting skill, the instinctual feel for setting up the D back and the ability to adjust to the ball without loss of momentum, that Maroney simply lacks. In short, I believe BB's persistance on picking up a running back, including his flirtation with Kevin Jones and the eventual signing of Lamont, arose from BB's continuing dissatisfaction with Maroney as a pass catcher. My purpose here is not to bash Mr. Maroney. He will receive the bulk of the load in the running game. He will catch 20 passes on the season of the swing and screen variety. My speculation, however, is that you will see a double dose of catches by pass catching running backs as the defensive backs double up on Moss and Welker. You may also see a two back set with Jordan and Faulk split behind Brady. In short, no linebacker can cover Faulk or Jordan for long. BB will exploit those mismatches as defenses scheme to defend last year's offense. My comments on the TEs from this drill follow. Neither Stupar nor Spach have the athleticsm or agility to separate. Conversely, Marcus Pollard is a talent in the short and mid-ranges. He set up his defender in each rep using the misstep or momentum of the defender to create separation. He is not fast and cannot split a zone but in man coverage displayed a remakable talent to free up. Watson for all his drops separated fom the linebackers easily with a variety of secondary moves and quickness. This drill tested the RBs and TEs on BB's first criteria. Can you get open? Among the RBs, Jordan stood out in one direction, Maroney in the other. On the TEs,Watson and Pollard stood out, Thomas was absent, Spach and Stupar were not competitive in this drill. The second drill of note was the two minute offense. I did not watch the QBs. I did not watch the OL. I did not watch the ball! I watched the WRs for forty minutes. The verdict was clear. Gaffney separates easily with sharp cuts, timing, and a talent at making another move if the initial play breaks down. Chad Jackson could not separate from the defensive backs on the outside or deep. He appeared most comfortable dragging or slanting across the middle on short routes. Is he fast? Yes. Can he catch? Yes. He made the best catch of the night on a badly thown ball behind him and low, that required extraordinary athleticism. Can he separate? No. Can he get open? The answer is decidedly No. The notion that Brady lacks comfort with Chad Jackson is a Red Herring. He doesn't throw to him because he is not open. Brady throws to the open man. He will fail in the NFL not because he is immature, oft-injured or can't understand the playbook. He will fail because for all his speed and musclature, he cannot gain separation on a consistant basis. Moss opens up easily on deep routes, slants, and on the sideline. His most remarkable talent is his God-given, age independant sense of where the deep ball will settle to earth. He locates those coordinates immediately and well before any D back, uses his stride to beat the defender to the spot and then uses his frame and hands legally to prevent the D back from reversing his initial advantage. In short, I believe Randy's success demonstrated repeatedly on this evening is his guidance system. Think of Wes Unseld or Paul Silas. The great offensive rebounders in NBA history are those that could first identify the probable location of the carom. Unseld and Silas were undersized with minimal vertical lift. They simply knew a split second before the more athletic players in the NBA where the roundball would end up. Randy has the same God-given guidance system. He ran four routes into the end zone on this evening. Two were easy touchdowns where he adjusted to the ball a full second before Wheatley and and then simply used his height and reach to prevent the rookie from catching up. Wheatley broke up two other end zone shots-one with his hands and one with a hit. In the latter two instances, his guidance system gave him the edge but Wheatley reversed the advantage, with a break-up in one instance and a pop in the other when Randy did not fully extend or box out for the rebound.

Respectfully submitted, The DookFish

P.S. The DookFish and the BeanFish return to camp tomorrow. The MookFish and the ZookFish are out of town and are unable to attend.
 
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Power to the fish!

Good read for all the positions, Crable is one of the keys of the entire defense. If he can be a pass rushing threat then Thomas can free-lance and blitz from the inside or outside.

The TE/RB drill is unfair to the LBs, but in your opinion which LBs showed the best ability in coverage?

Say Hi to Thin Fin-Fin fish! Great stuff.
 
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This is so good that I hope no one on competitive teams is reading it.
 
Is this not a great way to neutralize an all out pass rush??

"You may also see a two back set with Jordan and Faulk split behind Brady. In short, no linebacker can cover Faulk or Jordan for long. BB will exploit those mismatches as defenses scheme to defend last year's offense. My comments on the TEs from this drill follow. Neither Stupar nor Spach have the athleticsm or agility to separate. "
 
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