OT: Favre is a real Prima Donna

[Rob0729]

Now apparently he is claiming he doesn't want to play for the Packers because he doesn't trust Ted Thompson. Why? Because apparently Favre's management orders were not followed by his underling, GM Ted Thompson.

First, Favre ordered Thompson to get Randy Moss and worked hard to make it happen, but Thompson against his orders decided to go another direction. Second, Favre told Thompson to hire Steve Marriucci as head coach and Thompson hired Mike McCarthy instead. Third, Thompson went against Favre's orders to resign Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=772402

One thing I missed is when did Favre actually become defacto owner/president of the Packers? Last time I checked, personnel decisions were not part of the QB's job description.

I know Brady probably lobbies for the Pats to resign or sign players (most QBs of certain status do), but I cannot ever see him publically calling out Belichick or Pioli for their personnel decisions. If a player that Brady wants doesn't get signed or resigned, I am sure he is mature enough to understand that Pioli and Belichick have a plan and that player just didn't fit.

I think Thompson deserves some of respect too. It's not like he is making Matt Millen type of decisions. The Packers were one Favre overtime INT away from going to the Super Bowl last year. Thompson is doing something right.

I alway respected Favre, but he is really doing a lot to tarnish his image here. He really should just shut up and either play for the team the Packers trade him to or just go back to Mississippi and work on his farm. He is just lucky that the media loves him so much because he would be roasted otherwise.

 

[Kontradiction]

I agree with everything you said but... you couldn't have just put this in the other Brett Favre thread?

 

[Deus Irae]

Favre didn't do anything wrong and, if this was Brady, you'd be taking precisely the opposite position.

 

[signbabybrady]

Favre didn't do anything wrong and, if this was Brady, you'd be taking precisely the opposite position.

I wouldn't say Farve has done nothing wrong. I would say what he has done isn't that bad and even maybe you can't fault him for it.

He is a guy near the end of his career strugling to decide when the right time to end it is. Can't fault him for some indecisiveness. IMO the Packers need to do what they feel is best for the their team and Farve needs to do what he feels is best for him. If he feels it is not time to retire and the only way to play again is to force a trade than he is OK to do so but he should realize that GB will still do what they feel is best for them and yuor years of service shoudln't and doesn't change that.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I've hated Favre since around 1998 when he kept talking about retirement. Everyone knew he wouldn't retire but he just had to keep getting more attention, as if he didn't get enough. I still remember the "Retirement Tour" in 2005 AND 2006, when every Packers game was nationally broadcast and the commentators like Madden would just make excuses for him every play and say how much fun he has playing the game. He has been an average to below-average QB for about 7 years now and blows any chance his team has of winning by making stupid decisions down the stretch. No credit is ever given to the shrewd management decisions of the Packers front office. If Brady had been the Packers' QB since 1992, I can guarantee you he would have at least two, and probably more, rings. Of all the despised athletes on my list, Favre ranks up near the top as he is ultra-annoying and one of the biggest prima donna babies in sports. I don't care about his stupid streak or his toughness. Players should be judged on their ability to WIN the game. There are about 15 quarterbacks I'd rather give the ball to in the final minutes of a close game.

 

[Rob0729]

Favre didn't do anything wrong and, if this was Brady, you'd be taking precisely the opposite position.

If Brady called out Pioli like Favre did to Thompson, I would say he did something wrong. Of course Favre did something very wrong. He is airing his dirty laundry with Thomson in public. He is calling Thompson untrustworthy and questioning his character because Thompson made personnel and coaching moves that Favre didn't want and didn't listen to Favre's requests in these areas. Thompson doesn't work for Favre.

Favre is being an arse and Prima Donna here. I can never see Brady ever calling out a GM so your scenario is moot.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree with everything you said but... you couldn't have just put this in the other Brett Favre thread?

Sorry, didn't see the other thread. I have no problems with the moderators combining this thread with the other one.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What's funny is that, two days before the Patriots traded for Randy Moss, Moss told an interviewer that he really wants Tom Brady as his quarterback. Brady spent much of last offseason lobbying for Moss and befriended him before the signing was made. He even restructured his contract so that Moss would be able to stay within their cap.

What did Favre do? Complained and whined despite having great receivers anyway, although not household names. Certainly the Packers receivers are not as good as Moss, Welker, etc., but I don't think the gap is as great as other people make it out to be.

Bottom line is, if Favre was good enough, Moss would have requested a trade to Green Bay and not New England.

 

[Deus Irae]

If Brady called out Pioli like Favre did to Thompson, I would say he did something wrong. Of course Favre did something very wrong. He is airing his dirty laundry with Thomson in public. He is calling Thompson untrustworthy and questioning his character because Thompson made personnel and coaching moves that Favre didn't want and didn't listen to Favre's requests in these areas. Thompson doesn't work for Favre.

Favre is being an arse and Prima Donna here. I can never see Brady ever calling out a GM so your scenario is moot.

Green Bay has been going public with their comments, and Favre was in a position where he felt he had to respond. Green Bay, including Thompson, has been flat-out lying. Favre just cleared up the record. If you think Brady wouldn't do that if he were in the same position, you haven't been following Tom Brady's career.

As for the "Favre good enough", you should go back and read about what happened with the Moss situation. You seem to have either forgotten how Green Bay reportedly dealt with Moss or never read about it in the first place.

 

[Clonamery]

If Brady called out Pioli like Favre did to Thompson, I would say he did something wrong. Of course Favre did something very wrong. He is airing his dirty laundry with Thomson in public. He is calling Thompson untrustworthy and questioning his character because Thompson made personnel and coaching moves that Favre didn't want and didn't listen to Favre's requests in these areas. Thompson doesn't work for Favre.

Favre is being an arse and Prima Donna here. I can never see Brady ever calling out a GM so your scenario is moot.

Favre: who cares?

Thompson: thanks for not getting Moss.

 

[dhamz]

One thing I missed is when did Favre actually become defacto owner/president of the Packers? Last time I checked, personnel decisions were not part of the QB's job description.

It happenned after Holmgren left. The Packers had weak management and coaching and they let Favre become bigger than the franchise. Thompson's crime is he is the one who finally said enough is enough and relegated Lord Favre to being a member of the team.

 

[PromisedLand]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You're just figuring this out now?

 

[Rob0729]

Green Bay has been going public with their comments, and Favre was in a position where he felt he had to respond. Green Bay, including Thompson, has been flat-out lying. Favre just cleared up the record. If you think Brady wouldn't do that if he were in the same position, you haven't been following Tom Brady's career.

As for the "Favre good enough", you should go back and read about what happened with the Moss situation. You seem to have either forgotten how Green Bay reportedly dealt with Moss or never read about it in the first place.

Well, I blame Thompson for trying to appease Favre by going through the motions of interviewing Moss when he clearly had no intentions of trading for Moss in the first place. It seems pretty clear the only one in the Packers' orgainization who really wanted Moss was Favre (well possibly other players).

Thompson should have just told Favre that there was no way the Packers were going to trade for Moss and Favre just needed to deal with it. The problem was Favre was threatening to retire and Thompson probably felt he needed to at least go through the motions to get Favre to come back.

But even so, the GM does not need to answer to his players about personnel decisions. GMs frequently tell players and the public one thing and then do another.

Sorry, I don't see Brady ever airing his dirty laundry with the organization to the press. And there are plenty of times you can see that Brady wants to say something public about a personnel move or something that another team does and he bites his lip.

Favre has for a long time now acted like the Packers are his team and he can make personnel decisions like trying to facilitate a Moss trade when the organization clearly didn't want to go in that direction. He has left the team in limbo for several years during the offseason on whether he is coming back. He even promised he wouldn't do it this offseason, but changed his mind not once, not twice, but three times. He originally retired, then decided to unretire in March only to quickly retire before it was announced, to only unretire again. He has acted like the Packers should wait by the phone and wait for him to make up his mind.

In my mind (as well as many others), Favre has been a real arse this entire offseason. His ego appears to be way out of control.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, I blame Thompson for trying to appease Favre by going through the motions of interviewing Moss when he clearly had no intentions of trading for Moss in the first place. It seems pretty clear the only one in the Packers' orgainization who really wanted Moss was Favre (well possibly other players).

Thompson should have just told Favre that there was no way the Packers were going to trade for Moss and Favre just needed to deal with it. The problem was Favre was threatening to retire and Thompson probably felt he needed to at least go through the motions to get Favre to come back.

But even so, the GM does not need to answer to his players about personnel decisions. GMs frequently tell players and the public one thing and then do another.

Sorry, I don't see Brady ever airing his dirty laundry with the organization to the press. And there are plenty of times you can see that Brady wants to say something public about a personnel move or something that another team does and he bites his lip.

Favre has for a long time now acted like the Packers are his team and he can make personnel decisions like trying to facilitate a Moss trade when the organization clearly didn't want to go in that direction. He has left the team in limbo for several years during the offseason on whether he is coming back. He even promised he wouldn't do it this offseason, but changed his mind not once, not twice, but three times. He originally retired, then decided to unretire in March only to quickly retire before it was announced, to only unretire again. He has acted like the Packers should wait by the phone and wait for him to make up his mind.

In my mind (as well as many others), Favre has been a real arse this entire offseason. His ego appears to be way out of control.

No, people are jealous because Favre's getting the attention and not their quarterback. As for what Thompson should have done, I'd say that Moss setting the NFL record for receptions shows that Thompson should have moved hell and earth to get Moss in Green Bay.

As for the retiring angle, again, being unsure of whether or not you want to keep playing the game is not 'wrong'. Getting your ass kicked for 6 months isn't all moonlight and canoes, and Favre is by no means the first player to ever waver on retirement.

 

[Rob0729]

No, people are jealous because Favre's getting the attention and not their quarterback. As for what Thompson should have done, I'd say that Moss setting the NFL record for receptions shows that Thompson should have moved hell and earth to get Moss in Green Bay.

As for the retiring angle, again, being unsure of whether or not you want to keep playing the game is not 'wrong'. Getting your ass kicked for 6 months isn't all moonlight and canoes, and Favre is by no means the first player to ever waver on retirement.

I don't think anyone is jealous. Even many of Favre traditional supporters have been questioning his moves.

As for Moss, do you really think Moss would have broken the record with the Packers and Favre instead of Brady throwing to him? Besides, the Packers were the second overall offense and passing offense last year. I'd say the Packers did pretty well without him and I don't think Moss would have done as well in Green Bay.

It is wrong what Favre did. The Packers drafted Brian Brohm in the second round because Favre had already retired twice already in the offseason. The Packers made a major personnel move on the promise by Favre that he was retired. That is wrong of Favre. He should have said he wasn't sure if he was retired or stay retired and stop playing Lord Favre let the Packers appease him even if it isn't in the best interest of the team.

 

[Rob0729]

It happenned after Holmgren left. The Packers had weak management and coaching and they let Favre become bigger than the franchise. Thompson's crime is he is the one who finally said enough is enough and relegated Lord Favre to being a member of the team.

God forbid Thompson treat Favre like a QB and not royalty.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think anyone is jealous. Even many of Favre traditional supporters have been questioning his moves.

Come on. It's all about jealousy and people who don't know anything about playing sports thinking they know how athletes feel and should be deciding the athletes' futures. Barry Sanders gets criticized for retiring "too early", others like Joe Namath retired "too late", etc... it's pathetic seeing clueless non-athletes thinking they have some insight into what's going on inside the heads of the best of the best.

As for Moss, do you really think Moss would have broken the record with the Packers and Favre instead of Brady throwing to him? Besides, the Packers were the second overall offense and passing offense last year. I'd say the Packers did pretty well without him and I don't think Moss would have done as well in Green Bay.

Whether Moss would have gotten the record in Green Bay is besides the point. Ask the smarter question instead of deliberately jumping to red herrings in an attempt to support your bias: all other things being equal, would Green Bay's passing attack likely have been better with Moss on the team and content? The answer is an undeniable "yes".

It is wrong what Favre did. The Packers drafted Brian Brohm in the second round because Favre had already retired twice already in the offseason. The Packers made a major personnel move on the promise by Favre that he was retired. That is wrong of Favre. He should have said he wasn't sure if he was retired or stay retired and stop playing Lord Favre let the Packers appease him even if it isn't in the best interest of the team.

It wasn't wrong, and you saying that it was is just silly. You're not even using valid logic. There is no right or wrong about deciding to retire.

 

[Rob0729]

Come on. It's all about jealousy and people who don't know anything about playing sports thinking they know how athletes feel and should be deciding the athletes' futures. Barry Sanders gets criticized for retiring "too early", others like Joe Namath retired "too late", etc... it's pathetic seeing clueless non-athletes thinking they have some insight into what's going on inside the heads of the best of the best.

There is no jealousy when it comes to Favre. As TO pointed out after the Pats/Eagles Super Bowl (he said that if Favre did what he did by coming back from a broken ankle that it would be touted as the greatest comeback ever), the media are all Favre rump swabs. You listen to guys like John Madden and Peter King talk about Favre and you would think you are listening to a schoolgirl going on about the captain of the football team that they have a crush on. The media loves Favre and have been far lighter on him than virtually any other player would in the same position.

If you are talking about me specifically, I would look at the mirror.

Whether Moss would have gotten the record in Green Bay is besides the point. Ask the smarter question instead of deliberately jumping to red herrings in an attempt to support your bias: all other things being equal, would Green Bay's passing attack likely have been better with Moss on the team and content? The answer is an undeniable "yes".

The Packers have one of the best WR corps in the league. Probably the second best behind the Patriots. The fact of the matter is that at this time last year, no one knew if Moss would rebound to the proportions he did and it was a risk to take him on. It was a risk that no one other than the Patriots were willing to make. You cannot blame Thompson for not trading for Moss especially when they already had a stellar receiving corp.

It wasn't wrong, and you saying that it was is just silly. You're not even using valid logic. There is no right or wrong about deciding to retire.

Of course there is no right or wrong about deciding to retire. There is A LOT wrong deciding to retire and unretire and then retire and then unretire and keep your team hanging year after year keeping the team from making proper offseason moves. I would have no problem with Favre taking his time to decide to retire, but the Packers have been more than patient with the guy and the guy has abused that patience.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, go on any general or even Packers board and the general consensus is that Favre is out of bounds and out of control with his ego. Even a lot of Packers fans are stating that.

 

[Deus Irae]

BTW, go on any general or even Packers board and the general consensus is that Favre is out of bounds and out of control with his ego. Even a lot of Packers fans are stating that.

The country is full of idiots, even in Green Bay, so this is no surprise.