Dillon's 1600 yard season vs. Moss' 23 TD season

[Kontradiction]

Re: Dillon's 1600 yards vs. Moss' 23 TD

I loved watching Dillon run over people time and time again, but it's no question: Randy's season was much more entertaining.

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: Dillon's 1600 yards vs. Moss' 23 TD

Sorry, I didn't realize that you were the OP. But my point was that you are comparing only Moss' TD catches to every run by Dillon. So I picked the extreme to prove my point that Moss was clearly more fun to watch.

If you talked about comparing each player's entire season performance, I would still stick with Moss but it would be closer. Moss is a dynamic WR and Dillon is a workhorse back, when it comes to who is more fun to watch the dynamic WR will win every time in my book.

I guess I needed to put the words season in there for everyone to know what I meant I went back and changed oopps

 

[Sicilian]

I just voted for Dillon. I know we're not supposed to count the super bowl results, so I won't... but I WILL argue that having Clock-Killin' Corey Dillon at the end of games made me INFINITELY more comfortable with our late game closing abilities.

Sometimes it's fun to sweat out a close game, but it was just amazing how calm I was for the entire 2004 season. I had no doubts in the playoffs that year. None. Even this year, being undefeated, I was nervous about games.

Dillon took a team that was good in 2003 and made it unbeatable (when it mattered) in 2004. Again, I know we're not supposed to judge it based on the Super Bowl, but that's how we judged Tom Brady for YEARS. He was better than Manning because he won. Right now, Dillon was more fun for me than Moss because we won. End of story.

 

[Deus Irae]

Moss broke an NFL record and helped the team to an undefeated regular season. Dillon broke a team record and fell more than 400 yards short of the NFL record. To me, it's no contest. Moss' season wins in a landslide.

Now, asking about Moss' 23 tds vs. Brady's 50 tds makes things a lot harder to decide.

 

[memento]

running backs in general are more amusing for me to watch, i can focus on them. they get the ball, what are they gonna do with it?

of course you get that with moss, too, but not as much with dillon.

great thing about dillon during that season was his cutbacks.

by the time the recievers get the ball, i'm already happy. when the running back gets the ball, i have to wait a few seconds to see if ill be happy with the play or not. suspense.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I just voted for Dillon. I know we're not supposed to count the super bowl results, so I won't... but I WILL argue that having Clock-Killin' Corey Dillon at the end of games made me INFINITELY more comfortable with our late game closing abilities.

Sometimes it's fun to sweat out a close game, but it was just amazing how calm I was for the entire 2004 season. I had no doubts in the playoffs that year. None. Even this year, being undefeated, I was nervous about games.

Dillon took a team that was good in 2003 and made it unbeatable (when it mattered) in 2004. Again, I know we're not supposed to judge it based on the Super Bowl, but that's how we judged Tom Brady for YEARS. He was better than Manning because he won. Right now, Dillon was more fun for me than Moss because we won. End of story.

Umm isn't it more Maroney's fault that the Pats couldn't 'clock kill' to close out games rather than Moss' fault? After all Maroney did account for the majority of the Patriots' running game in 2008.

 

[dhamz]

Of course week in week out the spectacular WR is more fun to watch than the RB.

That said, nothing Randy Moss has done to date in a Pats uniform is even in the stadium with the enjoyment I had watching Corey Dillon in the second half of the divisional playoff game against the Colts.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Dillon's 1600 yards vs. Moss' 23 TD

I guess I needed to put the words season in there for everyone to know what I meant I went back and changed oopps

Ok, sorry to be so literal. It doesn't change my vote, but it makes it a bit closer.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Umm isn't it more Maroney's fault that the Pats couldn't 'clock kill' to close out games rather than Moss' fault? After all Maroney did account for the majority of the Patriots' running game in 2008.

In many cases it's that they just didn't bother trying. The results weren't too shabby when they did try:

1-10/NE 13 (9:13) L.Maroney left end pushed ob at NE 25 for 12 yards (A.Cromartie).
1-10/NE 25 (8:40) T.Brady sacked at NE 17 for -8 yards (sack split by I.Olshansky and S.Cooper).
2-18/NE 17 (8:04) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to K.Faulk to NE 24 for 7 yards (D.Florence).
3-11/NE 24 (7:16) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to K.Faulk to NE 35 for 11 yards (C.Hart).
1-10/NE 35 (6:30) L.Maroney right end to NE 36 for 1 yard (C.Hart, R.Bingham).
Timeout #2 by SD at 05:49.
2-9/NE 36 (5:49) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Stallworth pushed ob at NE 42 for 6 yards (E.Weddle).
3-3/NE 42 (5:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to SD 44 for 14 yards (E.Weddle).
1-10/SD 44 (4:28) L.Maroney left end to SD 42 for 2 yards (I.Olshansky, J.Williams).
NE 39-Maroney 2nd consecutive 100-yard playoff game, 2nd career.
2-8/SD 42 (3:43) L.Maroney right guard to SD 36 for 6 yards (J.Tucker, I.Olshansky).
Timeout #3 by SD at 03:36.
3-2/SD 36 (3:36) L.Maroney left tackle to SD 31 for 5 yards (S.Cooper).
1-10/SD 31 (2:50) L.Maroney up the middle to SD 27 for 4 yards (M.Wilhelm, J.Williams).
2-6/SD 27 (2:08) L.Maroney left tackle to SD 25 for 2 yards (S.Phillips, R.Bingham).
Two-Minute Warning
3-4/SD 25 (2:00) L.Maroney left tackle to SD 20 for 5 yards (Q.Jammer).
1-10/SD 20 (1:15) T.Brady kneels to SD 21 for -1 yards.
2-11/SD 21 39) T.Brady kneels to SD 22 for -1 yards.

 

[Patjew]

That said, nothing Randy Moss has done to date in a Pats uniform is even in the stadium with the enjoyment I had watching Corey Dillon in the second half of the divisional playoff game against the Colts.

I think that was my favorite game that I attended of all time. The crowd chanting "Corey, Corey" gave me goosebumps. An awesome moment.

 

[PatsFan24]

Re: Dillon's 1600 yards vs Moss' 23 TD

I really don't think there's a reason to compare the two, and I would never lessen Dillon's impact on that team. However, you're talking about a receiver setting an NFL record, turning a good offense into one of the most prolific attacks in history, turning an already great quarterback into a statistically dominant passer. Dillon was ground and pound, he was absolutely a joy to watch but there was never a sense of "Oh my god...I've never seen something like that before". And that's where there's no comparison: some of Moss' TD catches were highlight reel, best-of-all-time receptions. Even some of his regular receptions...remember the across the middle, one-handed, how-the-hell-did-he-do-that against the Colts?

I will say this: Dillon absolutely carried the team in the 2nd half of some of those games...he was a one-man wrecking crew who kept opposing offensives off the field and bled the game clock. But Moss did what no one else could: he dominated the scoreboard...instead of having to bleed the clock, he simply caught touchdowns, basically saying "you ain't gonna outscore us".

i think this is right on

 

[RayClay]

One = a super bowl victory. that's really all that counts.

Oops sorry. If that's aginst the rules my choice is couldn't care less.

I'd love randy to catch half as many while we have a balanced attack.

 

[rabthepat]

Dillon all the way...Corey brought toughness to the team...his 1600 yards were all earned no give me's...Randy's stats were terrific too but some of his TDs were just gifts by the other teams...also the Pats were one dimensional last year with all the passing...put 2004 Corey in SB 42 for Randy and we probably win that game.

In summary;

Randy's 23 TDs = stylish and good for ESPN highlights

Corey's 1600 yards = effective and good for Lombardi Trophies

 

[PatsFan24]

no.....the D was the reason the pats lost. Moss scored the go ahead TD in the super bowl.

 

[captain stone]

SBB, Sicilian, RayClay, Rab the Pat and everyone else who voted for Dillon are spot effin on.

Corey Dillon helped us win a Super Bowl; Randy Moss helped us win...nothing.

FESPN highlight TD catches, some of which came during meaningless Garbage Time, are for Mike Martz and Payaton Manning lovers; 2004 Corey Dillon runs are for Vince Lombardi (and his trophy) lovers.

My favorite game of all time is the January '05 PO vs. the candy-ash Payaton (with, ironically, a record 48 TD-pass season) and the punk-ash bee-atch dolts. That was Patriots Football, folks; the way it was meant to be played, the way it needs to be played. Records without victory make for hollow - or is it shallow? - memories. Let's not fall into the vacuous hellhole of thought occupied by Indianapolis hayseeds.

 

[RayClay]

no.....the D was the reason the pats lost. Moss scored the go ahead TD in the super bowl.

I disagree. The defense held the Giants to 3 points for three quarters. Are you saying our high powered offense can't overcome 17 points?

Lack of balance cause Brady to get demolished. Infatuation with passing, records and perfect seasons caused us to get pass happy and lose the big one.

 

[RayClay]

SBB, Sicilian, RayClay, Rab the Pat and everyone else who voted for Dillon are spot effin on.

Corey Dillon helped us win a Super Bowl; Randy Moss helped us win...nothing.

FESPN highlight TD catches, some of which came during meaningless Garbage Time, are for Mike Martz and Payaton Manning lovers; 2004 Corey Dillon runs are for Vince Lombardi (and his trophy) lovers.

My favorite game of all time is the January '05 PO vs. the candy-ash Payaton (with, ironically, a record 48 TD-pass season) and the punk-ash bee-atch dolts. That was Patriots Football, folks; the way it was meant to be played, the way it needs to be played. Records without victory make for hollow - or is it shallow? - memories. Let's not fall into the vacuous hellhole of thought occupied by Indianapolis hayseeds.

I didn't vote for Dillon, as much as a balanced attack.

Teams that run their running back into the ground for stats at the expense of passing are just as unbalanced as pass happy ones.

Maroney was running great against SD in the playoffs. Our pass happy, trying to win the easy way approach screwed us.

Moss was totally amazing, I love Brady, and Dillon is one of my favorites.

Still don't mean snit if your game plan for the big one stinks.

 

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by dhamz

That said, nothing Randy Moss has done to date in a Pats uniform is even in the stadium with the enjoyment I had watching Corey Dillon in the second half of the divisional playoff game against the Colts

I think that was my favorite game that I attended of all time. The crowd chanting "Corey, Corey" gave me goosebumps. An awesome moment.

Maybe nmy favorite game of all time.
What did Dillon have? 144 yds?

 

[363839]

Really tough call here but I'd have to go with Cory because of the SB victory. He was a sight to behold when he went on one of those power runs employing his ferocious stiffarm along the way.
That's not to say that I didn't appreciate RM's performance.
An undefeated season, 3 huge offensive scoring records is not "nothing".

 

[g-fresh]

This is difficult because what are you voting for? The players individual performance or the way it impacted the team? The breaking of NFL records or the record at the end of the season?

The argument for Moss is easy, 23 TDs, outrunning triple coverage against the Jets, the elbow catch against Miami, the Jordan pose catch against Indy. He poured his heart out and gave it his all in the Super Bowl, scoring the go ahead touchdown with minutes to go and coming inches away from catching a prayer at the end. He didn't lose the SB, those dropped interceptions lost the SB.

On the other hand, for a team that had been getting by with Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon was a revelation. He had toiled away in Cincinnati giving the best years of his career to a team that didn't about winning and he never complained until they became downright insulting to him. He had one year of top play left in him and he delivered more than most people were expecting.

People talk about his smash mouth play and how he ran through tackles, but for that one year Corey was the total package, he still had the legs to be shifty. I remember one play when they were 7-10 yards from the end zone, they ran a sweep left which left Corey one on one with a safety. For a second he looked like Kevin Faulk as he faked hard to the inside and went outside, shaking his head as he trotted past the defender who lay on the ground after being juked so badly.

As people have said he carried that team the second half of that season and it took everything he had left as a player. He was never the same after that season, you could just see he was running on fumes after 2004. Its easy to forget how good he was, if we had had him for his peak years things would have been very different.

This is a choice that is going to come down to each persons preference because there is no right answer. Both of them gave it everything, both of them put the team in position to win it all. Having to make the decision I have to choose Dillon's 1600 yard season, but only because it doesn't have the painful connections that Moss's 23 TD season does. They are both amazing season long performances that deserve to be remembered among the best that a patriots player has done.