StubHub finally turned over the names to Patriots

[Patsfanin Philly]

I received this email earlier tonight from Stubhub that after exhausting all legal appeals, they turned over to the Patriots the names of all those who bought, sold, or bid on Patriots tickets......after the lawsuit was filed, from Jan 2007 to now. I don't think it affects me as I am not on any season ticket waiting list but I wonder if the team will punish those people.
My point is and has been what is a Patriot fan who lives out of state as I do, supposed to do if they want to see a home game? Stubhub and EBay are the only feasible options and even if I have to pay through the nose, it's worth it. It was definitely more fun being able to cheer for the Pats than at both Meadowlands games last year....
They are still selling them at Stubhub, so the Patriots didn't get ( maybe they didn't ask for) an injunction stopping it.....
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]http://www.stubhub.com/new-england-patriots-tickets/


Maybe I'm nuts but that list of 13000 names, or at least the names of the buyers would make one heck of a marketing list of people willing to pay, and pay big $$$ for Patriots tickets.......[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Further Update on the Patriots v. StubHub Lawsuit - July 03, 2008[/FONT]

Dear XXXXXX XXXXXX,

As you may know, in November of 2006, the New England Patriots filed a lawsuit against StubHub over our right to provide a marketplace for the resale of Patriots tickets. As part of the lawsuit, the Massachusetts Superior Court ordered StubHub to surrender the contact information of StubHub customers who bought, bid on, listed or sold tickets to a Patriots home game from November 2002 to January 2007.

After exhausting our appeals, we were required to comply with the court's order. Despite our continued efforts to fight turning this information over to the Patriots, the court recently ordered StubHub to surrender that same information (contact information of StubHub customers who bought, bid on, listed or sold tickets to a Patriots home game) from January 24, 2007 going forward. In light of this recent ruling, you have been identified as a customer whose contact information, listing and/or transactional information, must be provided to the Patriots.

We appreciate your patience with this ongoing dispute. If you have any concerns or questions, please contact us at [email protected].

Sincerely,
Chris Tsakalakis
President
StubHub, Inc.[/FONT]

 

[fgssand]

I received this email earlier tonight from Stubhub that after exhausting all legal appeals, they turned over to the Patriots the names of all those who bought, sold, or bid on Patriots tickets......after the lawsuit was filed, from Jan 2007 to now. I don't think it affects me as I am not on any season ticket waiting list but I wonder if the team will punish those people.
My point is and has been what is a Patriot fan who lives out of state as I do, supposed to do if they want to see a home game? Stubhub and EBay are the only feasible options and even if I have to pay through the nose, it's worth it. It was definitely more fun being able to cheer for the Pats than at both Meadowlands games last year....
They are still selling them at Stubhub, so the Patriots didn't get ( maybe they didn't ask for) an injunction stopping it.....
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Based on this second letter, it does appear that a second list was court ordered to be turned over.

I think the Patriots may not be very forgiving of those Season ticket holders that sold their tickets after 1/2007 when these people knew the Patriots were against such sales given all the publicity.

There is now a way to sell your tickets on the Patriots website, so the only folks selling on Ebay or Stubhub are trying to profit from their tickets, they do deserve to lose them, IMHO.

 

[jmt57]

Personally I don't have much sympathy for either side in this issue. I've never agreed with the concept that it is illegal to sell something that you have purchased legally for a profit (i.e., ticket scalping). I don't have that restraint if I buy a hard to find automobile, video game console, baseball card, or whatever this week's latest fad (cabbage patch doll, beanie babie, wii) is? If a team sells all their tickets at the price they asked for, why should it matter to them what happens with those tickets - unless somebody is hoarding thousands of tickets and creating their own monopoly with tickets? Why should a sports team be able to tell me what I can and can not do with that ticket, especially if I am unable to attend? The team has been paid, and both buyer and seller are willingly entering an agreement to exchange goods or services for money. American capitalism at it most basic form.

On the other hand, the folks that went ahead and sold tickets on StubHub and eBay knew that there was a very good chance that they would face consequences for selling those tickets through those forums. They're adults, they weighed the pros and cons and made a choice. I don't agree with the court's decision but those folks knew the risk.

 

[Bella*chick]

We got an email too. Turns out the recent tickets my husband purchased for the Gillette opener were Stubhub tickets.

Well, I live in Virginia and am not obviously involved in any season ticket waiting list either. Like the OP, it's the most reliable way to get tickets if you are an out-of-towner who wants to see a game.

 

[tdw777]

I'm an out of towner and not on the season ticket waiting list..but I believe a season ticket holder should be allowed to sell his/her ticket at a profit just as the oil companies should be allowed to sell gas at a profit.

 

[Number Cruncher]

I'd be more sympathetic to the Krafts if they weren't funneling a significant amount of tickets themselves to the "legal scalpers", ie: Out of Town Tickets, or Ace Tickets, etc...

They are a little bit hypocritical on this one....

 

[Rob0729]

I'd be more sympathetic to the Krafts if they weren't funneling a significant amount of tickets themselves to the "legal scalpers", ie: Out of Town Tickets, or Ace Tickets, etc...

They are a little bit hypocritical on this one....

I agree that it is hypocritical to have ticket brokers own so many season tickets and sell it for a profit and then punish the individual fan for do the same thing as the broker who does it on a large scale. How many season tickets do ticket brokers have in the stadium? 10% of the season tickets? 20% of the season tickets? I remember Fred Smerlas saying his tailgating company has about 50 season tickets before the Patriots forced him to give it up or stop the organization all together. And Smerlas said he made all of his money on the tickets by packaging it with the tailgate package. If Smerlas can had 50 tickets, how man does Ace Tickets have? 500? 1000?

 

[BPF]

I've seen a lot written on this issue on this board regarding the price of tickets and the inability of some fans to purchase tickets due to rising costs. I strongly believe that season ticket holders, which I am, should not be allowed to sell their tickets period. This is the only way to control individual holders and companies from selling tickets at astronomical profit margins. There is no way to control companies like ACE Tickets any other way, this lawsuit by the Krafts is the only way they feel they can control, to some extent, the ever increasing price of their tickets. I believe when you purchase season tickets, you do so because you are a loyal fan of the team and not because you are looking to score on their success by selling your tickets at a profit. If your intention is not to attend the games well then it's best you leave that spot open for someone who will. I don't make it a habit of missing games, I've only missed one since I've been a season ticket holder in 1993 due to having to fly to CA for business, but when I do I give my tickets to family members or friends that I trust will not cause me to lose my seats. Owning a ticket is like leasing a car, you can't sell that car and you shouldn't be allowed to sell your tickets but you can allow your family and friends to drive it once in a while.

 

[JAYHAWKS34]

just curious if anything has ever come of this

 

[Bostonian1962]

Let me get this straight. If I'm a season ticket holder, and the Krafts keep busting the price of the tickets through the roof - I am NOT allowed to post one or more games on Stub Hub, to lessen the cost burden?

Or, if I'm an out of towner, who wants to head north to support my team in person, I am NOT allowed to purchase tickets through Stub Hub, like other teams' fans do around the NFL?

That's crap!

All I know is, tickets were available for the Sox and Celtics in their respective Championship series, but I could NOT find tickets for the Super Bowl, unless I sold a lung.

Few REAL fans can watch our team in person in the Super Bowl. It's a shame that the Krafts are trying to also prevent REAL fans from going to regular season games.

I can see many long time fans, who have lived and died with this team over the years, and who have spents THOUSANDS of dollars supporting the team, being BANNED from ever going to another game. Shame on the Patriots!

The Krafts will funnel tickets to corporations (instead of REAL fans), who line the Krafts' pockets with money, but far be it from the working slob from trying to line their pocket with a dollar or two.

This doesn't even affect me, but it still burns my butt.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

there are still plenty of tickets available as I write this (gotta love the free market) so there are still options available for us out of towners.......

 

[PatsWSB47]

I never bid on anything from stub hub but I emailed a question to them. I wonder if my email address became part of the list?

I did buy a ticket from ebay once and bid on them a few times. Does ebay have to turn over the names? I'll be super pissed because I'm a 10 year waiting list member and don't want that to be for nothing over buying one ticket.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

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I've never agreed with the concept that it is illegal to sell something that you have purchased legally for a profit (i.e., ticket scalping). I don't have that restraint if I buy a hard to find automobile, video game console, baseball card, or whatever this week's latest fad (cabbage patch doll, beanie babie, wii) is?

Any seller not just those that sell football tickets can put such a constraint on what they sell. For most sellers it is not in their best interest to place such a constraint so they don't.

I have a 5 day "hopper" from Disney World that is not transferable.

You can not move your mass pike toll speed pass from one car to another.

My apt lease forbids me to sublet.

Many stores when they sell items to a liquidator (think: ocean state job lot) will place limits on where the items can be sold or that their name can not be used. For example a chain that operates on the west coast might only allow the liquidated items to be sold on the east coast. Or even "for export only."

If you want to resell your airline seat it will cost you $50 - $100.

If I was to resell my computer the warrentee will be void.

The buyer can put any limits they want on the item, then the buyer must choose to buy the item or not with such limits.

When the Jets bought the rights to Farve for a draft pick, there were conditions to prevent them from reselling those right to the Vikings.

In most cases it is not in the seller best interest to put limits on resale, because it lower the value of the item being sold. But when it is in the sellers best interest to add limits they will.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I'd be more sympathetic to the Krafts if they weren't funneling a significant amount of tickets themselves to the "legal scalpers", ie: Out of Town Tickets, or Ace Tickets, etc...

They are a little bit hypocritical on this one....

I can confirm this.....
Since we moved into the new stadium I have been sitting next to a guy and
his son from my home town. Last year they gave up their tickets because
they moved out of state.

Each week I a different person from out of state (.... Pittsburgh... Miami... Buffalo...ect..) were in the seats. They all bought the tickets from an out of state agency. They all payed a diffent price for the tickets (225+ for $89 tickets)

I figured they has a phony name on the waiting list for the agency.

The two playoff games, the same guy sat in the seats. He said that he was a contractor for the Patriots and they gave him the tickets.

They must keep some tickets for their own use and farm the others
out of state for a big profit.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

Just because it happens all the time doesn't mean he agrees with it. He's not saying the rule is going to be struck down by the constitution or something, just that he doesn't like it.