New Injured Reserve Scenario

[DaBruinz]

Here is my proposal:

The roster limits would still be the same:
53 active players
8 practice squad players
Injured Reserve - no limit on the number of players here.
Salary cap still applies

The PUP would now apply ONLY to training camp.
Once training camp ends, a player on the PUP would go to the IR or the Active Roster.

Under this scenario, the Injured reserve becomes like the disabled list in baseball.

Injured Reserve List:

• A player can not participate in practice or games for two (2) weeks.
• Once the two weeks have passed, the player must pass a physical. The physical must be signed off by the team physician and the player.
• The results of the physical must be filed with the league.
• A player failing the physical can not practice with the team
• A player passing the physical would then be moved to a new category called IR/Practice and could begin practicing with the team.
• The injury settlement rules would still apply.

IR/Practice List:

• Teams may have up to 4 players on the IR/Practice List at any one time.
• Teams can activate a player from the IR/Practice list at any time there is an active roster spot available.
• A player on the IR/Practice list, who has been practicing for four weeks or more, may file a request with the NFL request that the team release him.
• The league would notify the team of the request. However, the player would be required to repay 50% of all remaining amortized signing bonus (to be credited to their salary cap as an LTBE credit the next season) and would not be released until he'd payed the team back.
• A player released in this manner cannot sign with another team for two weeks after being released from his original team.
• Any player released at his request with 4 weeks or less remaining in the regular season will not be eligible to sign with any team before the end of the league season (after the SuperBowl).
• A player who is on the IR/Practice List at the end of the season (after the SuperBowl) can be signed by another team via the same rules as players who were on the Practice Squad during the regular season (the waiver system would not apply).

Now, I've put some thought into this but I am sure there are some holes in it, but I've tried to close most of them. I am open for constructive criticism.

I tried to make this as much of a double-edged sword as possible for both the players and the teams.

 

[GostkowSKI]

Obviously a very well thought out idea, it took me a couple times of reading it to get the jist of it. Can a player stay on the IR/Practice List as long as he wants? (i.e. doesn't want to leave the team/pay back his 50%)?

 

[NePatriots]

I like the proposal, it makes alot of sense.

 

[pats1]

What about the "Minor IR" system that's in place now? Last year, the Eagles used it on Ian Scott. In 2006, the Bills used it on Troy Vincent.

Players on Minor IR are released after four weeks, but cannot re-sign with their former team until after the season.

 

[PittPatriot]

Why not just keep the rule the way it is? If you are good enough to make a team, then be on the roster. If you are injured and need to miss extended time, be on IR.
Why not keep it simple?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Why? There is nothing wrong with the rule as it is. This thread along with the "make sideline taping legal thread" are dumb.

There are rules. They should be followed.

Spygate has been overblown and the punshiment was way to harsh for the crime. But the solution to every time the Pats break a rule is not change the rule. It is to follow the rules.

 

[flasox27]

Remember we don't own the competition committee or Commissioner like the Colts and Jets so we can't either change the rules or get away with violations.

 

[DaBruinz]

Obviously a very well thought out idea, it took me a couple times of reading it to get the jist of it. Can a player stay on the IR/Practice List as long as he wants? (i.e. doesn't want to leave the team/pay back his 50%)?

If the player doesn't want to leave the team and the team doesn't activate him from the IR/Practice, then, yes, he would be able to stay there all year. But, there are only 4 slots to do that with. So they have to be used judiciously. Also, during the period after the SB until free agency begins, the player could be signed by another team.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why? There is nothing wrong with the rule as it is. This thread along with the "make sideline taping legal thread" are dumb.

There are rules. They should be followed.

Spygate has been overblown and the punshiment was way to harsh for the crime. But the solution to every time the Pats break a rule is not change the rule. It is to follow the rules.

Thanks for bringing nothing to this thread. Why did you even bother to post in it? Sorry, but there is things wrong with the current system whether you think so or not. Once a player is IRed, they can't play for the rest of the year. The only "loophole" is for them to take an injury settlement, which would make them a free agent.

I bet if you were living in the early 1800's you'd say the same thing about slavery or equal rights.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why not just keep the rule the way it is? If you are good enough to make a team, then be on the roster. If you are injured and need to miss extended time, be on IR.
Why not keep it simple?

Because this idea that "one size fits all" is antiquated and this was an idea to help bring it into the 21st century.

 

[DaBruinz]

What about the "Minor IR" system that's in place now? Last year, the Eagles used it on Ian Scott. In 2006, the Bills used it on Troy Vincent.

Players on Minor IR are released after four weeks, but cannot re-sign with their former team until after the season.

The "injured reserve- minor" system doesn't allow a player to practice with the team he is currently on. It only allows him to participate in team meetings and rehab under team supervision, which the regular IR allows a player to do anyways.

The proposal I have is a system that would LEGALLY allow teams to do what they are doing now behind the backs of the NFL.

Goodell basically said that other teams had been caught and fined, but it just wasn't reported because its an internal issue.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Thanks for bringing nothing to this thread. Why did you even bother to post in it? Sorry, but there is things wrong with the current system whether you think so or not. Once a player is IRed, they can't play for the rest of the year. The only "loophole" is for them to take an injury settlement, which would make them a free agent.

I bet if you were living in the early 1800's you'd say the same thing about slavery or equal rights.

Wow! equating nfl policy with serious social issues, nothing like going a bit over board.

If you have a player that is seriously injured and won't be able to play for the rest of the season you IR him. If it is minor you keep on the 53 man roster, but you don't activate him for the game.

Your original post is seriously flawed. You propose changing a system and propose the new system without giving any reason why it should be changed.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

The "injured reserve- minor" system doesn't allow a player to practice with the team he is currently on. It only allows him to participate in team meetings and rehab under team supervision, which the regular IR allows a player to do anyways.

The proposal I have is a system that would LEGALLY allow teams to do what they are doing now behind the backs of the NFL.

Goodell basically said that other teams had been caught and fined, but it just wasn't reported because its an internal issue.

If the guy is injured, he shouldn't be practicing. It is dangerous.

I really hope all of the violations have been of healthy people practicing but being called IR for the purposes of illegally expanding the practice squad.

Because forcing an injured player to practice who should be in rehab, is seriously unethical. And I am not talking about breaking rules of a game, I am talking about abusive of the players safety health and well being.

I support BB on most issues. But I back Ted Johnson when it comes to the safety of players.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wow! equating nfl policy with serious social issues, nothing like going a bit over board.

If you have a player that is seriously injured and won't be able to play for the rest of the season you IR him. If it is minor you keep on the 53 man roster, but you don't activate him for the game.

Your original post is seriously flawed. You propose changing a system and propose the new system without giving any reason why it should be changed.

Sorry. But your post is the flawed one. The reason why the current system should be changed is obvious to everyone but you, clearly. The current system is broken and doesn't work because teams all over the league are using players during practice who have been IRed. And Goodell implied such during his press conference after he brought Matt Walsh's comments to light.

Again, there is no "one size fits all" to this, contrary to your flawed logic.

As for using social issues, I went to the "extreme" because if figured it was an example I knew you'd probably comprehend.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Sorry. But your post is the flawed one. The reason why the current system should be changed is obvious to everyone but you, clearly. The current system is broken and doesn't work because teams all over the league are using players during practice who have been IRed. And Goodell implied such during his press conference after he brought Matt Walsh's comments to light.

Again, there is no "one size fits all" to this, contrary to your flawed logic.

As for using social issues, I went to the "extreme" because if figured it was an example I knew you'd probably comprehend.

He did not say teams all over the leagues are breaking the rules. He said that violations have been handled with a fine. Could have been one or two teams.

But even if many teams are breaking the rule doesn't mean the rule needs to be changed, maybe enforcement needs to be more diligent, and punishment more severe. If NFL officials did spot inspections, and a violation meant loss of a day one draft pick instead of a fine, the rule would be followed.

Maybe your solution to the prevalent problem of drunk driving or date rape is to change the law so those activities are not illegal?

 

[Deus Irae]

He did not say teams all over the leagues are breaking the rules. He said that violations have been handled with a fine. Could have been one or two teams.

But even if many teams are breaking the rule doesn't mean the rule needs to be changed, maybe enforcement needs to be more diligent, and punishment more severe. If NFL officials did spot inspections, and a violation meant loss of a day one draft pick instead of a fine, the rule would be followed.

Maybe your solution to the prevalent problem of drunk driving or date rape is to change the law so those activities are not illegal?

Well, drunk driving at least.

 

[PittPatriot]

Well, drunk driving at least.

All kidding aside I think GIG Hoodie has a point.

 

[pao]

Here is my proposal:

The roster limits would still be the same:
53 active players
8 practice squad players
Injured Reserve - no limit on the number of players here.
Salary cap still applies

The PUP would now apply ONLY to training camp.
Once training camp ends, a player on the PUP would go to the IR or the Active Roster.

Under this scenario, the Injured reserve becomes like the disabled list in baseball.

Injured Reserve List:

• A player can not participate in practice or games for two (2) weeks.
• Once the two weeks have passed, the player must pass a physical. The physical must be signed off by the team physician and the player.
• The results of the physical must be filed with the league.
• A player failing the physical can not practice with the team
• A player passing the physical would then be moved to a new category called IR/Practice and could begin practicing with the team.
• The injury settlement rules would still apply.

IR/Practice List:

• Teams may have up to 4 players on the IR/Practice List at any one time.
• Teams can activate a player from the IR/Practice list at any time there is an active roster spot available.
• A player on the IR/Practice list, who has been practicing for four weeks or more, may file a request with the NFL request that the team release him.
• The league would notify the team of the request. However, the player would be required to repay 50% of all remaining amortized signing bonus (to be credited to their salary cap as an LTBE credit the next season) and would not be released until he'd payed the team back.
• A player released in this manner cannot sign with another team for two weeks after being released from his original team.
• Any player released at his request with 4 weeks or less remaining in the regular season will not be eligible to sign with any team before the end of the league season (after the SuperBowl).
• A player who is on the IR/Practice List at the end of the season (after the SuperBowl) can be signed by another team via the same rules as players who were on the Practice Squad during the regular season (the waiver system would not apply).

Now, I've put some thought into this but I am sure there are some holes in it, but I've tried to close most of them. I am open for constructive criticism.

I tried to make this as much of a double-edged sword as possible for both the players and the teams.

Great post! You obviously put alot of thought into this. Your system would allow a player to practice that may be healthy enough to practice but not healthy enough to play in a game. An example of this would be Anthony Waters on the Chargers. He was healthy enough to practice but not to play in the games. The Chargers kept him on the active roster to allow him to participate in practices even though he was unable to play in any games. If they had IR'ed him he would have been unable to practice with the team. This would have been detrimental to the player and the team and is my main complaint with the IR rules as they stand now.

sdfan

 

[PittPatriot]

Great post! You obviously put alot of thought into this. Your system would allow a player to practice that may be healthy enough to practice but not healthy enough to play in a game. An example of this would be Anthony Waters on the Chargers. He was healthy enough to practice but not to play in the games. The Chargers kept him on the active roster to allow him to participate in practices even though he was unable to play in any games. If they had IR'ed him he would have been unable to practice with the team. This would have been detrimental to the player and the team and is my main complaint with the IR rules as they stand now.

sdfan

Do you think teams would pressure young players to 'practice' even though they are injured? How do you really protect a 4th round draft choice who has an unfortunate injury in the preseason or camp and is now being pressured to practice though he may not really be ready?

 

[pao]

Do you think teams would pressure young players to 'practice' even though they are injured? How do you really protect a 4th round draft choice who has an unfortunate injury in the preseason or camp and is now being pressured to practice though he may not really be ready?

That's a good point. I think he addressed that with this...

-Once the two weeks have passed, the player must pass a physical. The physical must be signed off by the team physician and the player.

Still, your question is a good one.

sdfan