Peter King Wow! Where do I begin?

[Rob0729]

Why is it so many homers lose respect for a guy thats a pretty good columnist like Peter King when he says something bad about the Patriots but when he says a negative thing like for instance against the Colts or Dolphins ect: than its interesting and informative?

As long as you talk good about the Patriots you are a good journalist,If you think something is bad with the organization and you print it , then at Patsfans.com you are lousy at your profession -

Come on guys stop being so pathetic and obnoxiously homeristic and agree that all sports columnists are not going to agree with everything your little Patriots mind thinks - Grow the fu(k up

I may not agree with some of what he has written but that does not mean he is now a horrible writer

Sometimes this forum goes beyond obnoxious ranting.....

And NO ONE in here could be more of a Patriots maniac than me when it comes to rooting for this team ,but I could care less what others think,In fact sometimes those negative articles are quite entertaining.

Actually, I had little respect for the guy long before Spygate even when he was a Patriots rump swab two years ago. King has usually been a good reporter, but his opinions tend got go from schoolgirl crush (his manlove of Brett Favre is even worse than Madden's manlove of Favre) to overly moralistic. Any football column where he gushes over his daughter in every weeks' column and talks about about his coffee experiences is not the most most hard hitting.

But I did think Peter King was intelligent. This column makes me wonder. Anyone with half a brain can see that Specter's involvement in all this is not pure and only looking out for the "integrity of the game". If he was, there would be at least one Senator in the entire Senate who would at least give him a lukewarm word of support in this.

I also wonder why he doesn't hold John Tomase to the same standard as he holds Belichick. He has blasted Belichick for eight months now. Now Tomase has been exposed as a cheater (yes, making rumors you hear as facts is cheating in journalism), his only real words about his opinion about Tomase he has made is to praise him for apologizing. Even when he touched on this subject, he has never given his opinion about Tomase. I am sorry, but it seems a bit hypocritial in my book.

Personally, even if it wasn't about the Patriots, I would lose all respect for King (not that I had a lot) for not going after Tomase as he did Belichick or any other player or coach he has chastized in his column. I guess he is afraid to attack another writer in his column, but he holds himself up as a moralistic personal and looks down on people who cheat.

I am a person who has always dismissed King even back in the day when people held his articles up on this and other boards because they overly praised the Patriots because he was as I stated a Patriots rump swab at one point in time. I have always been a person who does not like people who are overly critical or overly praising of the Patriots. I find people who don't look at the Patriots objectively even when they are overly praising them less than credible. That is why I am not a fan of guys like Pete Sheppard and Fred Smerlas. I find them about as useful as Gregg Easterbrook. I am just not going to slam them since they are Pats fans. And yes, I think I am being hypocritical myself on that.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I also wonder why he doesn't hold John Tomase to the same standard as he holds Belichick. He has blasted Belichick for eight months now. Now Tomase has been exposed as a cheater (yes, making rumors you hear as facts is cheating in journalism), his only real words about his opinion about Tomase he has made is to praise him for apologizing. Even when he touched on this subject, he has never given his opinion about Tomase. I am sorry, but it seems a bit hypocritial in my book.

Because reporters think they're like policemen...you know, the brotherhood and all

 

[upstater1]

Exactly what is SO HORRIBLE about this article? I understand that a lot of the media has screwed with the pats, but Belichick did in fact make a mistake. Even if the media reported on this story in the best way possible, Belichicks rep would have some tarnish on it. Let's not forget that the pats did ignore a memo, and they did break a rule. I know it was not as big a deal as everyoen made it out to be, but it happened.

Not everyone agrees with you.

How can you read this board and make comments like that?

Speak for yourself, not for everyone.

 

[Rob0729]

I keep asking...why hasn't the images of the 49ers coach been tarnished. Or the Broncos???? Why hasn't there been calls for a congressional investigation into salary cap violations? They have a real impact on every game played. A real competitive advantage.

It's this hypocrisy that drives me crazy.

:enranged:

Cheating the cap and tampering are not sexy stories. Spygate is a very sexy story. It has espionage, drama (Belichick vs. Mangini and Pats vs. Jets), the best team of the decade, the ability for a lot of teams that felt they got screwed already because the Pats got lucky or played dirty an excuse to justify why they lost, and a team that already had a lot of teams and fans jealous of their success. Spygate was the perfect storm for a media frenzy.

I almost can't blame the media for latching onto Spygate story. I do feel that there are too many media sources with agendas and lacking objectivity though.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Originally Posted by Patslifer
Exactly what is SO HORRIBLE about this article? I understand that a lot of the media has screwed with the pats, but Belichick did in fact make a mistake. Even if the media reported on this story in the best way possible, Belichicks rep would have some tarnish on it. Let's not forget that the pats did ignore a memo, and they did break a rule. I know it was not as big a deal as everyoen made it out to be, but it happened.

The fact that he wrote it...that's what's so horrible lifer. Why is he still beating this topic to death? Nothing new has been discovered. What do you think is his motive? What do you think his ultimate goal could be?

I believe it's part of a national media campaign to run Belichik out of football. Thankfully, Kraft saw through all of that and showed his loyalty and trust by signing him through 2013.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Cheating the cap and tampering are not sexy stories. Spygate is a very sexy story. It has espionage, drama (Belichick vs. Mangini and Pats vs. Jets), the best team of the decade, the ability for a lot of teams that felt they got screwed already because the Pats got lucky or played dirty an excuse to justify why they lost, and a team that already had a lot of teams and fans jealous of their success. Spygate was the perfect storm for a media frenzy.

I almost can't blame the media for latching onto Spygate story. I do feel that there are too many media sources with agendas and lacking objectivity though.

Even the name "spygate" is misleading. It gives one the image of filming through a crack in the stadium wall with men in black using secret high-powered cameras.

 

[nelly57]

Best thing from this rule violation incident is that you can see the pretenders and the contenders.

King is really showing his hand on this, as well as other media folks. I was neutral on Reiss but have changed my opinion since.

 

[Rob0729]

Even the name "spygate" is misleading. It gives one the image of filming through a crack in the stadium wall with men in black using secret high-powered cameras.

Well, that is another problem with the media today. Every scandal has to be something-gate. I do agree that spy is not the best prefix to describe this, but it is sexy for the media.

 

[SVN]

i dont know about everyone but i thought this article of his is much softer than his previous takes on spygate. He DOES NOT say the patriots wont make the playoffs. just points out the history of superbowl losers and that the patriots are a tired team already and the upcoming schedule .

Plus he got some +ve quotes too from players who all except barber said good things about the pats

I just don't think most people outside of Patriot Nation buy what Belichick is selling. Now, I've talked to eight opposing players and coaches in the last few days about the story, and most say the Patriots deserve everything they've earned on the field. Said Chargers defensive lineman Luis Castillo: "I'd never, not for one second, put an asterisk next to what they've accomplished. This game can't be planned or orchestrated just because you might know what our defense is going to do on a particular play. Would it help? Of course. But it takes a lot more than that to win any games, and to win a Super Bowl.''

Said Denver quarterback Jay Cutler: "People are going to doubt them, but they're no fluke. Not at all.''

Said Dilfer: "I don't take one thing away from them. Not at all. I'd have zero bitterness toward them as an opposing player. The Patriots have been the best-coached, most-talented team of this era, and they deserve to be thought of that way.''

The only tinge of negativity came from Ronde Barber. "They're still a great football team,'' he told me, "but they're a lot better with an ace up their sleeve.''

The football world -- and certainly, its fans -- would have been far more sympathetic to Belichick had he come clean immediately after the story broke last fall.

and in typical king fashion , makes a for and against case against spygate

What it comes down to, for me, is that Belichick didn't do something so heinous that it counterbalances the great accomplishments he's made on the field. The Patriots videotaped defensive signals so they would have clarity and be able to study them over and over and to see all the nuances of the signaler.

For years teams have had backup quarterbacks trying to decipher opposing signals, and teams have sent scouts to sit in press boxes and watch defensive coaches signal in to the players, trying to steal the defensive call. One veteran player told me this weekend he thought there were five teams who stole signals just as well as the Patriots did, without using videotape.

Whatever, my point is that Belichick erred tremendously; but I believe if he tried to decode defensive signals without the aid of videotape, he could have sent front-office spymaster Ernie Adams to games and learned much of what he figured out with the video. That's not to excuse, obviously, the years of video help the Patriots got in spite of clear NFL rules. But the gain wasn't like walking to an opposing coach's office and stealing a game plan.

wish he thought of saying this before.

i also thought the quotes from players about spector and pro wrestling were funny.

its by no means a +ve pats article but this is the closest he has come all yr to saying something less -ve.

 

[PatriotsReign]

i dont know about everyone but i thought this article of his is much softer than his previous takes on spygate. He DOES NOT say the patriots wont make the playoffs. just points out the history of superbowl losers and that the patriots are a tired team already and the upcoming schedule .

Plus he got some +ve quotes too from players who all except barber said good things about the pats



and in typical king fashion , makes a for and against case against spygate

wish he thought of saying this before.

i also thought the quotes from players about spector and pro wrestling were funny.

its by no means a +ve pats article but this is the closest he has come all yr to saying something less -ve.

I think all you've proved is that Peter King is bi-polar and NOT taking his meds!

 

[Jackson 2]

Originally Posted by Patslifer
Exactly what is SO HORRIBLE about this article? I understand that a lot of the media has screwed with the pats, but Belichick did in fact make a mistake. Even if the media reported on this story in the best way possible, Belichicks rep would have some tarnish on it. Let's not forget that the pats did ignore a memo, and they did break a rule. I know it was not as big a deal as everyoen made it out to be, but it happened.

The fact that he wrote it...that's what's so horrible lifer. Why is he still beating this topic to death? Nothing new has been discovered. What do you think is his motive? What do you think his ultimate goal could be?

I believe it's part of a national media campaign to run Belichik out of football. Thankfully, Kraft saw through all of that and showed his loyalty and trust by signing him through 2013.

You're absolutely correct. There is quasi-organized movement whose members want this guy (BB) banished with shame to the hinterland for eternity. Anything less will fail to satisfy them.

 

[Rob0729]

He DOES NOT say the patriots wont make the playoffs. just points out the history of superbowl losers and that the patriots are a tired team already and the upcoming schedule .

He implies the Patriots wouldn't make the playoffs. I still think it is piling on to bring it up after writing a mostly negative column about Belichick. I have no problem with the actual column itself and more so with his bullet points about Specter and Tomase. I just thought it was weird that he would bring up the tired old story about Super Bowl losers and their next season which even he has mentioned before in his column in reference to the Patriots.

Besides, who said the Patriots were tired? Just because they played into February? Because of the Spygate stuff which didn't bother them all last season?

He also didn't point out the Patriots strength of schedule which is the easiest in the league. I am one who believes strength of schedule in May is useless, but I have read Peter King talk about strength of schedule during the spring and summer months as if it means something. So he belives strength of schedule this early before the start of the season is valid.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't see what the big deal is. Peter King wrote a column in which he wasn't pro-Patriots about 'spygate'. This should neither surprise nor bother anyone at this point.

Having said that, this line:

The football world -- and certainly, its fans -- would have been far more sympathetic to Belichick had he come clean immediately after the story broke last fall.

Was a bit naive and misleading. The football world -- and, certainly, its fans -- got a mea culpa from Belichick after Goodell made his ruling. This story wasn't going to end until the media had exacted multiple pounds of flesh, and King has to know that, because he was one of those demanding their pound of it.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Why is it so many homers lose respect for a guy thats a pretty good columnist like Peter King when he says something bad about the Patriots but when he says a negative thing like for instance against the Colts or Dolphins ect: than its interesting and informative?

As long as you talk good about the Patriots you are a good journalist,If you think something is bad with the organization and you print it , then at Patsfans.com you are lousy at your profession -

Come on guys stop being so pathetic and obnoxiously homeristic and agree that all sports columnists are not going to agree with everything your little Patriots mind thinks - Grow the fu(k up

I may not agree with some of what he has written but that does not mean he is now a horrible writer

Sometimes this forum goes beyond obnoxious ranting.....

And NO ONE in here could be more of a Patriots maniac than me when it comes to rooting for this team ,but I could care less what others think,In fact sometimes those negative articles are quite entertaining.

I dont care for any of his articles anymore, with all the Brett Farve Ball washing, I wonder if he was still covering the Giants as he was in the mid 80's , if he wonders about where Belichick learned how to tape, from his bed buddy Bill Parcells.. Its a coaching tree, and he fails to realise that... Belichick is in the wrong also, that memo clearly states dont tape signals, and he did it.. Now I dont know of a memo preo 06 ,but he did break a rule, and was fined, I cant call it cheating though.. I call it scouting.. And until these so called mediots realise it then its never going away, and Peter King for as crediable of a journalist is, should realise this as well..

 

[DarrylS]

Personally getting tired of this whole thing getting rehashed over and over with different spins and different angles, almost punched the radio listening to our resident dyckheads D & C, ballwashing Ryan, Tomase and Maserotti this morning. Time to move on...

What I do not get is that the all star receiver in Indy who had an armor piercing gun in his possession, and someone got shot in the hand outside of his bar is basically getting a pass and no one cares..

Cheating, breaking the rules on and on and on.. imo this thing has had a much longer shelf life than could have ever been expected.. and who is to blame, Tomase for believing that idiot Walsh who had his 15 minutes of fame.. if Tomase did not print that article this may have died by now.. that is his error and why his transgression of worse of all.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Peter King is providing cover for Spector and Tomase. In my opinion, this is stupid and absurd.

Spector has a monetary agenda (Comcast) and really should be worrying about crap that matters for the country, not the NFL.

Tomase screwed up big time and should be fired. The editor that failed to reel him in should be suspended for a couple weeks without pay. For King to laud Tomase for his courage is laughable. The guy waited 6 months to apologize in HOPE that Matt Walsh really did have something. Then he gives a half-a.s.s apology without actually apologizing... which he later adds when under additional pressure.

Sorry, but King is nuts to defend and praise these two.

 

[SVN]

just listened to his interview now with dan patrick , same old stuff. patrick suggests belichick came of 'petty' calling walsh his 3rd videographer. Said the patriots were deflecting the blame on herald

king said there is so much vitriol for the pats even when he visted the the troops that its unimaginable of sorts how much the team is hated.
king says BB should stop saying he misinterpreted the rules as its an insult to football fans that the smartest coach to ever roam the sideline is saying he misinterpreted the rules.

 

[nelly57]

I cant call it cheating though.. I call it scouting.. And until these so called mediots realise it then its never going away, and Peter King for as crediable of a journalist is, should realise this as well..

I agree, that's the main problem I have with the present media coverage. Looking over King's article

"For years teams have had backup quarterbacks trying to decipher opposing signals, and teams have sent scouts to sit in press boxes and watch defensive coaches signal in to the players, trying to steal the defensive call. One veteran player told me this weekend he thought there were five teams who stole signals just as well as the Patriots did, without using videotape. "

As Goodell stated, it's OK to scout the coach's signal, yet the media folks are constantly using "steal" to hype this story.




"Whatever, my point is that Belichick erred tremendously; but I believe if he tried to decode defensive signals without the aid of videotape, he could have sent front-office spymaster Ernie Adams to games and learned much of what he figured out with the video. That's not to excuse, obviously, the years of video help the Patriots got in spite of clear NFL rules. But the gain wasn't like walking to an opposing coach's office and stealing a game plan. "

Now King is implying Adams as the spymaster, IMO, sensationalizing again.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

One last thing for Peter King, its ok for a false article to come out before the super bowl and a team going for something never done in 25 yrs. It was a tough week for them, but Belichick has said sorry a lot of times, and moved on ,but the mediots keep wanting blood, and still there should be more justice done...

I swear Peter King Espn, and others wont be happy unless Belichick is hung...

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

I agree, just saying - their was going to be a little tarnish no matter what. Serious question, why do you talk down to everyone?

He talks down to everybody. He's talked down to me. I still like the guy.

There's one very important point people with your viewpoint overlook in all this brouhaha. Belichick broke the rule, got caught, got fined like no one else, and paid for it! That much is done. As DaBruinz points out, the over-reaction by Commissioner Clouseau opened up the opportunity for the New York press to level the "cheating" charge, and the feeble - most feeble -efforts of the league to correct that impression directly led to a media-birthed story that grew like Topsy.

It was an effort that would have done Hans Christian Anderson proud.

Conversely, the Thomase article had nothing to do with the original allegations. Written in the finest tradition of Jayson Blair articles, he took a rumor that was several years old and had never been proved, talked to a few lackeys, and offered up a Pulitzer-flirting article, made of whole cloth, that was passed off as fact.

Further compounding his egregiously offending writing and reportage "skills", he waited until he was absolutely painted into a corner by the Walsh non-revelations. He waited until his paper made a half-assed attempt to cover him by first offering up their offending "apology", then followed up with his "explanation" of events where he not only refused to apologize, but said he had no regrets about releasing the story, such as it was, when he did.

Only after this effort had ignited a massive firestorm did he offer up an apology, and even then, he thinks his life will go on without change, after he "apologizes" to a few people.

Forgive us if we're not impressed with this dog and pony show, just as we're not impressed with Peter King's slovenly efforts at rehabilitating this cretin's public image.