OWNERS might opt out of CBA... [merged]

[Pats726]

Heard it on WEEI that as early as next Tuesday that the NFL owners may opt out of the CBA...meaning 10 would be uncapped...and 011 a year for work stoppages...

 

[signbabybrady]

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Heard it on WEEI that as early as next Tuesday that the NFL owners may opt out of the CBA...meaning 10 would be uncapped...and 011 a year for work stoppages...

am I correct in assuming that opting out now gives them a few years to work out the new one however difficult that may be???

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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Heard it on WEEI that as early as next Tuesday that the NFL owners may opt out of the CBA...meaning 10 would be uncapped...and 011 a year for work stoppages...

this story has been around for some time and many indeed have assumed that they will opt out, according to some wags because Bob Kraft won't be the firewall that saves the agreement this time (Gee, I wonder why?). is there anything new in the WEEI report?

 

[signbabybrady]

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this story has been around for some time and many indeed have assumed that they will opt out, according to some wags because Bob Kraft won't be the firewall that saves the agreement this time (Gee, I wonder why?). is there anything new in the WEEI report?

I don't exactly bye that Kraft wont be the firewall because he is mad at the way people have acted during camera-gate.

You really think that Kraft with be that vengeful with his own pocket on the line. That doesn't mean he won't be part of the owners who opt out, it just means he will have real owners concerns as the reason for doing so and not spite.

 

[Pats726]

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May 20th is the date of the owners meeting...PFT has a story on it...and Mortenson reports that as well...TRUE..it has been kicked around a bit..as lie-gate has had focus and ESPN in bunched up panties...http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

FROM PFT "...the vote will be whether the owners wish to extend the deal by two years, which would take the agreement through the 2012 season (actually, the agreement would be effective until the 2013 draft). And unless at least 24 of 32 owners vote in favor of extending the deal, the deal will not be extended, and will instead expire after the 2010 season (or, specifically, after the 2011 draft)."


"If the deal isn’t extended, there will be no salary cap in 2010. More importantly, 2009 will be the last year with a salary cap, and that will create all sorts of salary-cap headaches for the teams. Indeed, it was the threat of the last capped year that resulted in the 2006 deal."

"In our view, if the non-extension of the contract is inevitable, it makes sense to pull the plug sooner rather than later, so that a real sense of urgency will arise to work out a new agreement."

It makes sense to deal with it NOW rather than later...but that might mean disaster with BadL...

 

[signbabybrady]

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Goodell has done nothing to give me faith that he will be able to fix this thing....so lets hope owners like Kraft can keep the sides close enough to make this work again.

 

[Pats726]

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I agree..with Goodell's lack of vision, lack of knowledge and baisic ineptness..this will be tough...with OR without Kraft's help..how about it if the owners let the bum try to deal with it and when he sinks..get rid of him and bring someone else in..well THAT is a real fantasy...but I can NOT help but think that Kraft may never bail BadL out...Yes, I think in HIS interest he will help the owners get the CBA to work..but after his stab in the back..no special favors to make Goodell shine.

 

[flasox27]

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Something tells me this time around Kraft is going to be looking out for himself and his fans before the good of the league. Don't expect any compromise without a price which could be Goodell on a platter.

 

[Bigdogx]

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It is out of control right now with salary's imo, i think i seen somewhere that the rams made 750 million in gross revs. last year, and even after rev. sharing they ended up with a profit of 10 million or so. The players are profiting more then the owners in some city's and that is just whacked when you think about it.

Especially with kids coming out of college, they are getting way to much money upfront and are not even proven. They need to find a way to have some kind of pay-scale, i would think alot of veteran players would like this also.

 

[JoePats]

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I hope they don't blow the salary cap. That's been a unique part of this league for many years. The NBA has a soft cap and MLB has no cap.

From a national perspective, it (and the general parity that comes with it) is one of the things that attracts people to the NFL in my opinion.

Though I'll say from a Patriots perspective, they would be one of the top 5 or 6 teams that would benefit more than the others of an uncapped league.

 

[Evil Tom]

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am I correct in assuming that opting out now gives them a few years to work out the new one however difficult that may be???

They have a hard cap already. What else do they want?

 

[DropKick Flutie]

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Looks like Ralph Wilson isn't as senile as previously thought seeing how he was ridiculed for voting against it in the first place.

 

[Evil Tom]

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It is out of control right now with salary's imo, i think i seen somewhere that the rams made 750 million in gross revs. last year, and even after rev. sharing they ended up with a profit of 10 million or so. The players are profiting more then the owners in some city's and that is just whacked when you think about it.

Especially with kids coming out of college, they are getting way to much money upfront and are not even proven. They need to find a way to have some kind of pay-scale, i would think alot of veteran players would like this also.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_St-Louis-Rams_307693.html

According to Forbes the Rams had 2006 revenues of $193 mil with profits of $17.9 million. They placed the value of the team at $903 million.

Almost all the owners are making big money.

 

[JoePats]

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They have a hard cap already. What else do they want?

I believe it has to do with the percentage of revenues that goes back to the players (ie-how high is the salary cap).

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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I don't exactly bye that Kraft wont be the firewall because he is mad at the way people have acted during camera-gate.

You really think that Kraft with be that vengeful with his own pocket on the line. That doesn't mean he won't be part of the owners who opt out, it just means he will have real owners concerns as the reason for doing so and not spite.

it's not about vengeful. it just means that he won't be movitvated to stick his neck out, as he did last time, to save an agreement that admittedly benefits all 32 teams, but that disproportionately benefits small market teams at the expense of large market teams like Kraft's. kraft stands to benefit significantly from a renegotiation of the agreement.

his is also a team that will do just fine without a cap. personally, i don't care if a couple of small market teams suffer, move or go out of business as a result. for the most part, these are the teams that have put the knife in us every chance they had over the past eight months and they can pound sand as far as I'm concerned. it's my view that ultimately the nfl will be better off with a salary and revenue process that is a little more "free market" and a little less "big brother."

 

[otis p. driftwood]

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Looks like Ralph Wilson isn't as senile as previously thought seeing how he was ridiculed for voting against it in the first place.

Sure. Your team would be the Las Vegas Slots without it, but sure...whatever.

 

[alamo]

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am I correct in assuming that opting out now gives them a few years to work out the new one however difficult that may be???

No, you are wrong.

If the owners opt out then the contract ends two years early, after the 2010 season. The first effects of the opt-out appear in March 2009 (with special rules for the 2009 last capped season) and the salary cap ends a year later, before the 2010 season. So opting out now moves the entire process forward two years but doesn't provide any extra time to come up with a new deal compared to letting the CBA run its course.

 

[Pats726]

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No, you are wrong.

If the owners opt out then the contract ends two years early, after the 2010 season. The first effects of the opt-out appear in March 2009 (with special rules for the 2009 last capped season) and the salary cap ends a year later, before the 2010 season. So opting out now moves the entire process forward two years but doesn't provide any extra time to come up with a new deal compared to letting the CBA run its course.

From PFT.....
"In our view, if the non-extension of the contract is inevitable, it makes sense to pull the plug sooner rather than later, so that a real sense of urgency will arise to work out a new agreement." I think THAT is the general theme of most people in teh NFL...if they do it now, while it MAY move it up timewise, it will give an real urgency to solve the problem sooner than later... I HOPE that can happen..although with Goodell..I am quite worried...I think this will be large issue in teh next days..and the focus should pivot away from teh mess and onto the CBA which could prove to be Goodell's downfall or emergence as a real leader...(OK..the fantasy scenario COULD happen...he COULD get a brain...)

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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It's stuff like this that makes me less committed to sports. Although I'm optimistic that the owners (despite Goodell's incompetence) will retain a version of the salary cap, should the NFL become like MLB, with only the rich owners dominating and spoiled players without any risk of being cut, I will lose interest. I would have only minor rooting interest in a Patriots team that purchased its Lombardis.

 

[Pats726]

Upshaw thinks owners will opt out of CBA

Found a few things interesting in this NYT article....http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/s...tml?_r=2&ref=football&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

I think most importantly, the reason for now May doing this as opposed to later (the Nov meeting) is that they wish to NOT let that interfere with the season..THAT makes incredible sense..I mean during the run for the playoffs, the LAST thing I wish to hear about is teh CBA and all kinds of poison pills...
Also noted was that work stoppages would occur at the earliest after THREE full seasons...plenty of time to get something done..

"The owners say that worsening economic conditions in the last two years have sent the costs of stadium construction and renovation soaring. They say this has taken a toll on even the richest franchises, making their profit margins thinner. ".....THIS I believe is the big reason for the opt out...what made economic sense a few years ago is falling apart because of the economic condition..better to address and change now rather than later, when MORE damage might be done..
Interesting these two statements one of the current situation "The current agreement, which gives players 60 percent of revenue"..... and Upshaw's take on that..(Upshaw) "has said that the players union will not go below 60 percent of revenue."....
OK they won't budge..so what is there to negotiate Gene? Going to kill the golden goose and get nothing? I am not sure what the solution the owners will come up with...but I think Upshaw needs to be a BIT more reasonable.