Suggestion: Posting Boston Herald Stories

[Disco Volante]

For anyone posting a story from there, please exclude the actual link itself.

During this week they've been getting exactly what they've wanted, tons of net traffic that in the end benefits them.

Simply paste the story into the quote box here so no additional hit is awarded to the joke paper.

 

[castlelong1]

For anyone posting a story from there, please exclude the actual link itself.

During this week they've been getting exactly what they've wanted, tons of net traffic that in the end benefits them.

Simply paste the story into the quote box here so no additional hit is awarded to the joke paper.

Good idea. May I suggest anyone who is doing a "Can you believe this idiot gets paid" post do likewise. People end up going to the link and the guy gets rewarded by being a douche bag.

 

[pats1]

Don't post the entire story, though. That is against our policy.

 

[FortressX]

For anyone posting a story from there, please exclude the actual link itself.

During this week they've been getting exactly what they've wanted, tons of net traffic that in the end benefits them.

No law that says people have to click it on.
I thought we were "embracing the hate", perhaps not.
This is getting to be a big list hyper-sensitive Pats fans are compiling ESPN, Herald & numerous writers we don't want to hear about.
I think there is also a copyright issue if you post the story without a link,although not to sure on that.

 

[Pats726]

Don't post the entire story, though. That is against our policy.

Just to clarify about what the policy is...what does "entire" mean? I could see some posting the story minus a few words and claiming its not "entire"...where I would think..the meat of a story (half??) might be more to the tune of the policy. Can you clarify or give a guideline?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Just to clarify about what the policy is...what does "entire" mean? I could see some posting the story minus a few words and claiming its not "entire"...where I would think..the meat of a story (half??) might be more to the tune of the policy. Can you clarify or give a guideline?

Just do an edit and replace and remove all instances of the word "the", not only will it not be the entire article, but it will make the author look like he is an idiot.

e.g.

Just do an edit and replace and remove all instances of word "", not only will it not be entire article, but it will make author look like he is an idiot.

 

[shmessy]

Just to clarify about what the policy is...what does "entire" mean? I could see some posting the story minus a few words and claiming its not "entire"...where I would think..the meat of a story (half??) might be more to the tune of the policy. Can you clarify or give a guideline?

I have posted this question to Ian in the Admin forum and hope to have an answer very soon.

IMPORTANT: Until Ian gives an answer, the answer will remain NO to posting an entire article, or even the vast majority of an article.

Unlike the Boston Herald, we have standards.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I say leave out a small amount of the strory and post the link. That way we cover ourselves on the copyrite thing.

I have no intention in clicking on the link anyway.

 

[RayClay]

Just to clarify about what the policy is...what does "entire" mean? I could see some posting the story minus a few words and claiming its not "entire"...where I would think..the meat of a story (half??) might be more to the tune of the policy. Can you clarify or give a guideline?

Should be only about 10%, but for messageboards with a link maybe 25% max. Ian is pretty adamant about this and I'm sure he will give his requirements so that is just my take.

I've written a couple of papers on "fair use" guidelines for my Masters in Library Science. It varies greatly depending on how you're using material, but I think this is a rough approximation.

 

[Wildo7]

Imagine the Herald having the gall to sue something with "Pats" in the name.....

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Most newspapers are losing money with their diminishing sales of actual papers. For some the ONLY place they make a profit is on their websites. After tomorrow when we all read Tomase's embarrassing CYA piece I say Patriot nation should never buy the paper (I haven't for years) but more importantly stop hitting their website.
Every time you click on the herald website they're using those # of hits as site traffic volume and setting ad rates for their website based on that traffic volume.
Low number of hits on the Herald website = low ad rates = no profit.
Put your money where your mouth is Patriot nation.
Boycott the Boston Herald in print AND on the internet.

 

[goalkeepr]

What about instead of linking to the Herald, we just link to Google's cached version of the page?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I think for cpoyright reasons if you post the article you must post the link.

Just put in front of the link in big bold letters: PLEASE PLEASE, THIS LINK IS HERE BECAUSE IT IS REQUIRED, BUT DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK AND REWARD THE FAT SCUM-SUCKING LIAR!

 

[Tunescribe]

Don't post the entire story, though. That is against our policy.

I suggest we amend the policy in this case. The Herald certainly doesn't have anything resembling a "policy" on its end.

 

[upstater1]

Should be only about 10%, but for messageboards with a link maybe 25% max. Ian is pretty adamant about this and I'm sure he will give his requirements so that is just my take.

I've written a couple of papers on "fair use" guidelines for my Masters in Library Science. It varies greatly depending on how you're using material, but I think this is a rough approximation.

This is exactly the law that I follow. 10%.

Some things, however, are protected fully. If you can believe that. Poetry and music lyrics for instance can't be published again at all.

However, no one has ever tested copyright use when it comes to blogs or messageboards. No one has ever clarified whether writing in this space constitutes a form of "publication."

That being said, copying a whole article probably violates the rule.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

In the not-too-distant future, this won't be a problem, as the Herald's "sports section", such as it is, becomes little more than an adjunct to that paper's preening "entertainment section".

In other words, they really won't have much of anything new and original to offer, having been cast into the abyss by Boston sports franchises due to it's editorial policies (or lack thereof).

I'm not real concerned about this, and probably you guys out there shouldn't be, either.

The Herald has committed editorial hari-kari. Let it die the ignoble death it so richly deserves.

 

[Pats726]

I have posted this question to Ian in the Admin forum and hope to have an answer very soon.

IMPORTANT: Until Ian gives an answer, the answer will remain NO to posting an entire article, or even the vast majority of an article.

Unlike the Boston Herald, we have standards.

Thanks...somewhere between 10 and 25%...and that is for published articles??? And what about other blogs?? Thinking about Reiss's blogs and how many copy the whole insert with the link...or Florio's PFT?? Different standard? Knowing EXACTLY what is needed is important so all will know what is OK..what is not..From a newspaper..a blog etc etc. FromClay's post, it's not a simple thing..but at least THIS discussion has some substance, will help all the members going forward..and take out thoughts off of 'lie-gate'.. At least the board is trying to have a standard...and trying to understand it.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Most newspapers are losing money with their diminishing sales of actual papers. For some the ONLY place they make a profit is on their websites. After tomorrow when we all read Tomase's embarrassing CYA piece I say Patriot nation should never buy the paper (I haven't for years) but more importantly stop hitting their website.
Every time you click on the herald website they're using those # of hits as site traffic volume and setting ad rates for their website based on that traffic volume.
Low number of hits on the Herald website = low ad rates = no profit.
Put your money where your mouth is Patriot nation.
Boycott the Boston Herald in print AND on the internet.

I am not sure if that is true.

Newspaper ad rates are based on the number of papers sold.

Internet ads are often sold not based on the number of clicks to the website, but clicks on the ad.

e.g. The Herald puts the ad for Jeep on the website for free but gets money each time someone clicks on the Jeep ad taking them to the Jeep webpage. As long as you don't click on the ad Herald gets nothing.

At least that is how google and yahoo ads work as does many others, don't know the exact policy for the Herald.

 

[Disco Volante]

Ah, don't want to get us in trouble, lol.

I'll suggest this then, if a link is posted along with the article - please don't click it. Don't even comment the article.

 

[shmessy]

Thanks...somewhere between 10 and 25%...and that is for published articles??? And what about other blogs?? Thinking about Reiss's blogs and how many copy the whole insert with the link...or Florio's PFT?? Different standard? Knowing EXACTLY what is needed is important so all will know what is OK..what is not..From a newspaper..a blog etc etc. FromClay's post, it's not a simple thing..but at least THIS discussion has some substance, will help all the members going forward..and take out thoughts off of 'lie-gate'.. At least the board is trying to have a standard...and trying to understand it.

Good questions. My understanding is that a short blurb from a blog is OK for 100% as long as there is a link.