New York Times writer calls for Belichick 1 year suspension

[JoeSixPat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/s...m&ex=1210478400&en=c65800f0ec50350f&ei=5087 \

I find it interesting that Araton wants to punish Belichick for conduct that took place before 2006 - even though in his own article he makes clear that the NFL revised its policy that year - inferring that Belichick was not breaking any rules before then.

Araton (who kindly provides his email [email protected]) wants Goodell to send a message.

A message of what? Suspending coaches for rules that didn't exist at the time?

I wish someone could send a message to the media that they should be consistent over these things. Jimmy Johnson admitted to the same thing as Belichick did - under the same pre-2006 rules.

I don't think I've heard one member of the media call for taking away the Cowboys Super Bowl Rings or putting an asterisk next to their season marks. And since they were all gung ho about finding teams that DID spy on practices and engage in filming, how come no outrage on their about how long this has been going on?

http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

 

[BradyManny]

How is the Fans for truth campaign here coming along. We really need a generic email to send out to these morons.

 

[JoePats]

I like how taping outside is now the football equivelent of cheating on your wife.

 

[DefenseRules]

Michael Holley is calling him out Right Now!!

 

[PatriotsReign]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/s...m&ex=1210478400&en=c65800f0ec50350f&ei=5087 \

I find it interesting that Araton wants to punish Belichick for conduct that took place before 2006 - even though in his own article he makes clear that the NFL revised its policy that year - inferring that Belichick was not breaking any rules before then.

Araton (who kindly provides his email [email protected]) wants Goodell to send a message.

A message of what? Suspending coaches for rules that didn't exist at the time?

I wish someone could send a message to the media that they should be consistent over these things. Jimmy Johnson admitted to the same thing as Belichick did - under the same pre-2006 rules.

I don't think I've heard one member of the media call for taking away the Cowboys Super Bowl Rings or putting an asterisk next to their season marks. And since they were all gung ho about finding teams that DID spy on practices and engage in filming, how come no outrage on their about how long this has been going on?

http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

What a low-life scum piece of ****!!

He is making it obious for everyone to see that he was HOPING Walsh had a tape. I guess people don't realize that doing that is un-American. In this country, we don't hope for the evidence to fit our wishes or the crime, we wait for the evidence and make up our minds.

Are people that effing stupid that when the evidence does not support an allegation, we then ask for MORE punishment on the original transgression?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

 

[BSR]

I love Harvey's thought process. Since he was ignorant of what Belichick had been penalized for back in September, any new information discovered by him should result in new penalties to Belichick. It doesn't matter if Goodell already knew about it. It only matters what Harvey knew. How egocentric of him.

Really, it just shows that it doesn't matter what Walsh said or had for evidence. The Mediots just wanted another opportunity to hem, haw and spout their drivel no matter how little sense it makes.

 

[upstater1]

I love all these articles.

Each one proves that this is really all about jealousy, hatred, revenge, and has nothing to do with logic and reason.

 

[DefenseRules]

THE MORONS have come out to play my friends. Get used to it Patriot Nation, they are going to be here for awhile.

 

[LuthierJr]

I sent him an e-mail ripping him for his total lack of a coherent thought process.

 

[Rob0729]

Media outlets like the NYT and ESPN have really made a cottage industry out of Spygate haven't they? Even PFT gets more message board responses for Spygate stuff than any other story. All these media outlets seem to be desperate to keep the Spygate controversy alive because it is good for business.

 

[MrTibbs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/s...m&ex=1210478400&en=c65800f0ec50350f&ei=5087 \

I find it interesting that Araton wants to punish Belichick for conduct that took place before 2006 - even though in his own article he makes clear that the NFL revised its policy that year - inferring that Belichick was not breaking any rules before then.

Araton (who kindly provides his email [email protected]) wants Goodell to send a message.

A message of what? Suspending coaches for rules that didn't exist at the time?

I wish someone could send a message to the media that they should be consistent over these things. Jimmy Johnson admitted to the same thing as Belichick did - under the same pre-2006 rules.

I don't think I've heard one member of the media call for taking away the Cowboys Super Bowl Rings or putting an asterisk next to their season marks. And since they were all gung ho about finding teams that DID spy on practices and engage in filming, how come no outrage on their about how long this has been going on?

http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

First things first............"New York writer"

Secondly what about the Broncos who broke salary cap rules, what about the Panthers who came up dirty for steroids after the Super Bowl. What about the Steelers of the 70's who were juiced up? You have to remember that Belichick and the Patriots are NFL's evil empire. They are great and don't look to be going away anytime soon so everyone outside of New England would love nothing more then to see them go away. I'd bet you anything if the team sucked and wasn't winning the AFC east where the NY Jets reside you'd never hear a peep from anyone.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I sent him an e-mail ripping him for his total lack of a coherent thought process.

This was my email to 'ol Harv;

"Yo Harv...you're kidding about the 1 year suspension for Belichik, right?

After all, he's already been punished for his transgressions and the tapes contain nothing new. He was honest and told Goodell that he's been video-taping since the day he started coaching.

Are you saying you support Roger Goodell going back on his word and decide to ADD to the punishment based upon public opinion? Are you that stupid?

Why don't you get honest and just admit you hate Billy Belichik and you REALLY, REALLY wanted there to be a Rams walk-through tape. If you're man enough to admit that, then you'll realize just how un-American that is. You see, in this country we don't wish for the evidence to fit the crime, we make up our minds once the evidence is presented to us.

Since the evidence only supports what Goodell has known since last September, tell me why more punishment should be handed down? I'll be waiting for your explanation that shows your bias."

 

[cartmen]

Use fresh or frozen blueberries in this pancake recipe.
INGREDIENTS:

• 2 eggs, separated
• 1 1/2 cups sifted all-purpose flour
• 2 1/4 teaspoons baking powder
• 3 tablespoons sugar
• 3/4 teasooon salt
• 1 cup milk
• 3 tablespoons butter, melted
• 1 cup fresh or frozen thawed blueberries, rinsed

PREPARATION:

In a small bowl, beat egg whites until stiff; set aside.
In a separate bowl, sift together flour, baking powder, sugar and salt. Beat egg yolks in a medium mixing bowl; add milk and melted butter. Stir egg mixture into dry ingredients; mix until batter is smooth and stir in blueberries. Fold in beaten egg whites. Bake on hot greased griddle.
Makes 12 pancakes.


I figured I'd contribute something actually useful to the whole spygate crap
I mean this isnt going to stop for a while and no one seems to be thinking about ignoring it so we might as well be well fed

 

[bradmahn]

Use fresh or frozen blueberries in this pancake recipe.
INGREDIENTS:

• 2 eggs, separated
• 1 1/2 cups sifted all-purpose flour
• 2 1/4 teaspoons baking powder
• 3 tablespoons sugar
• 3/4 teasooon salt
• 1 cup milk
• 3 tablespoons butter, melted
• 1 cup fresh or frozen thawed blueberries, rinsed

PREPARATION:

In a small bowl, beat egg whites until stiff; set aside.
In a separate bowl, sift together flour, baking powder, sugar and salt. Beat egg yolks in a medium mixing bowl; add milk and melted butter. Stir egg mixture into dry ingredients; mix until batter is smooth and stir in blueberries. Fold in beaten egg whites. Bake on hot greased griddle.
Makes 12 pancakes.


I figured I'd contribute something actually useful to the whole spygate crap
I mean this isnt going to stop for a while and no one seems to be thinking about ignoring it so we might as well be well fed

Excellent.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Excellent.

Those pancakes are good for the palate. This pancake is a feast for the eyes.

 

[bakes781]

How is the Fans for truth campaign here coming along. We really need a generic email to send out to these morons.

Already sent mine:

Harvey,

Funny you should mention the wikipedia section on "spygate" which quite frankly should be referred to camera gate from now on. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with that section. Here's an excerpt from that site:


On September 10, Belichick was accused by the Jets of authorizing his staff to film the Jets' defensive signals from an on-field location, a violation of league rules. The Jets confiscated the video camera used by video assistant Matt Estrella to film the signals during the game and filed a complaint to the league office, detailing the accusations.
Two days later, Belichick issued a statement "to apologize to everyone who has been affected," and also stated that he spoke with Goodell about Belichick's "interpretation of the rule."[11] Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." Belichick stated that he believed that if footage so collected was not used during the game, its collection was legal, as the NFL Constitution and Bylaws stipulate that "...any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited...that might aid a team during the playing of a game."

As you can clearly see this is not defined as to whether it prohibits the use for future games, therefore Bill's explaination is perfectly plausible.

Further down the "spygate" section:

Specter had been previously involved in battles involving the NFL. In November 2005, he sought to have the Eagles and the NFL investigated for violation of antitrust laws over their handling of Terrell Owens[26] In December 2007, he sought to have the law that allows the National Football League to sign lucrative television contracts on behalf of all 32 teams repealed.[27] In February 2008, he sought to have religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws.[28] Specter has taken $153,600 in campaign contributions from Comcast or those affiliated with Comcast as employees or through its PAC.[29] Comcast Cable is currently involved in a long standing dispute with the NFL with regard to a cable deal concerning NFL Network.

According to Patriots Vice President of Player Personnel Scott Pioli, who was also interviewed, Walsh was fired by the Patriots in January 2003 after he was found by Pioli to be secretly audio-recording conversations between the two.

So these are the guys you're willing to believe? People with clear & obvious agendas? Perhaps you yourself are equally as small, so you feel obligated to stick up for them? Jimmy Johnson came out & stated that he did the very same thing 18 years ago that Belichick is now being vilified for. Dan Rooney discredited the recordings of his own team being of any value. The punishment already dealt out was the greatest in NFL history with the acknoledgment of taping back in 2000. What more do you need? What is your agenda?

~Louis

 

[Hawg 73]

This was my email to 'ol Harv;

"Yo Harv...you're kidding about the 1 year suspension for Belichik, right?

After all, he's already been punished for his transgressions and the tapes contain nothing new. He was honest and told Goodell that he's been video-taping since the day he started coaching.

Are you saying you support Roger Goodell going back on his word and decide to ADD to the punishment based upon public opinion? Are you that stupid?

Why don't you get honest and just admit you hate Billy Belichik and you REALLY, REALLY wanted there to be a Rams walk-through tape. If you're man enough to admit that, then you'll realize just how un-American that is. You see, in this country we don't wish for the evidence to fit the crime, we make up our minds once the evidence is presented to us.

Since the evidence only supports what Goodell has known since last September, tell me why more punishment should be handed down? I'll be waiting for your explanation that shows your bias."

Did you really misspell Belichick's name?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This was my email to 'ol Harv;

"Yo Harv...you're kidding about the 1 year suspension for Belichik, right?

After all, he's already been punished for his transgressions and the tapes contain nothing new. He was honest and told Goodell that he's been video-taping since the day he started coaching.

Are you saying you support Roger Goodell going back on his word and decide to ADD to the punishment based upon public opinion? Are you that stupid?

Why don't you get honest and just admit you hate Billy Belichik and you REALLY, REALLY wanted there to be a Rams walk-through tape. If you're man enough to admit that, then you'll realize just how un-American that is. You see, in this country we don't wish for the evidence to fit the crime, we make up our minds once the evidence is presented to us.

Since the evidence only supports what Goodell has known since last September, tell me why more punishment should be handed down? I'll be waiting for your explanation that shows your bias."

Had you spelled the coach's name correctly, it would have carried more weight

 

[PatsFanSince74]

THE MORONS have come out to play my friends. Get used to it Patriot Nation, they are going to be here for awhile.

I think the problem is actually worse than you imagine. These media luminaries have so much invested in there being something "more" to Spygate and have spewed forth so much vitriolic rhetoric over the last eight months, especially since the Tomass article, that they CAN'T just let this die.

The Araton piece is an obvious attempt to influence Specter and his staff, who no doubt read the New York Times everyday.

This is where the Patriots have played this all wrong from day one, in my opinion (and I have said so out here since September). Instead of adopting an aggressive, crisis-control approach to the media, they left it to the good people of this Board to assemble the facts and try to get the media to pay attention to them.

As a result, aside from the New England media, there is no one out there defending the Patriots, while charge after absurd charge goes unchallenged.

The Patriots failed to realize that this is like a political campaign, where unchallenged lies become "real facts" simply because they are repeated time and time again without systematic refutation.

Maybe Bob Kraft is just too much of a gentleman and assumed that reason would prevail. However, Reason never prevails when there is a media feeding frenzy.

The Patriots needed to hire an aggressive, tough crisis management specialist the day this story broke, who would not let a single charge go unchallenged, either by sending out a "friendly" talking head like Jimmy Johnson or by planting a friendly story with someone else in the media. They should have approached this like a do-or-die political campaign, instead of sitting back and letting the attacks build beyond all rationality.

In my opinion, the way the Patriots have handled this entire matter with the media is an example of how NOT to manage a crisis.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Patriots now lose the endgame of this mess, with a weak and fearful Roger Goodell caving in to Specter and the national media and imposing more "punishments" instead of saying that the whole affair is over--simply because it is the easier thing to do.

 

[Jackson 2]

I think the problem is actually worse than you imagine. These media luminaries have so much invested in there being something "more" to Spygate and have spewed forth so much vitriolic rhetoric over the last eight months, especially since the Tomass article, that they CAN'T just let this die.

The Araton piece is an obvious attempt to influence Specter and his staff, who no doubt read the New York Times everyday.

This is where the Patriots have played this all wrong from day one, in my opinion (and I have said so out here since September). Instead of adopting an aggressive, crisis-control approach to the media, they left it to the good people of this Board to assemble the facts and try to get the media to pay attention to them.

As a result, aside from the New England media, there is no one out there defending the Patriots, while charge after absurd charge goes unchallenged.

The Patriots failed to realize that this is like a political campaign, where unchallenged lies become "real facts" simply because they are repeated time and time again without systematic refutation.

Maybe Bob Kraft is just too much of a gentleman and assumed that reason would prevail. However, Reason never prevails when there is a media feeding frenzy.

The Patriots needed to hire an aggressive, tough crisis management specialist the day this story broke, who would not let a single charge go unchallenged, either by sending out a "friendly" talking head like Jimmy Johnson or by planting a friendly story with someone else in the media. They should have approached this like a do-or-die political campaign, instead of sitting back and letting the attacks build beyond all rationality.

In my opinion, the way the Patriots have handled this entire matter with the media is an example of how NOT to manage a crisis.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Patriots now lose the endgame of this mess, with a weak and fearful Roger Goodell caving in to Specter and the national media and imposing more "punishments" instead of saying that the whole affair is over--simply because it is the easier thing to do.

Congratulations on an excellent assessment of the situation. Its excellence is enhanced by the fact that, as with all effective problem analyses, you included a potential solution or means of dealing with the problem. Well-done.