Gosselin Final Mock

[mac]

I'm fine with Ellis :

- He's a great value at #7.
- He's a badly needed backup for Wilfork.
- He can play DE for us although he's shorter than desired.
- He can play a decent amount in passing and short yardage downs.

Between rotating in to give the starters a break, passing downs and short yardage he'd get plenty of snaps. And, right now, God help us if Wilfork has a serious injury.

Of course, he could also be a beast the moment he steps on the field, a guy you simply have to play because he's better than what you've got.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Again it wont be Ellis, It may end of being Albert if

1 No Trade

2 No Gholston, Mcfadden or Long on the Board...

Albert will be the safe pick, and the connection with Belichick and Al Groh is stronger than Carroll and Belichick..

 

[14thDragon]

I'm fine with Ellis :

- He's a great value at #7.
- He's a badly needed backup for Wilfork.
- He can play DE for us although he's shorter than desired.
- He can play a decent amount in passing and short yardage downs.

Between rotating in to give the starters a break, passing downs and short yardage he'd get plenty of snaps. And, right now, God help us if Wilfork has a serious injury.

COuld you please explain the value in spending top 10 money on a back-up?

 

[Seneschal2]

If that's who you actually think will be drafted, then putting Albert at #7 messes up your whole board, no?

Not that anyone's asked, but I think Albert will be the Pats first pick at #7 or in a slight trade down. If we have an opportunity of exceeding the value of Albert by trading down further (teens-twenties), IMO it will be for a defensive player.

The Gosselin pick of Ellis is disappointing in that he's one of two players I don't want at #7. Rivers is the other. It's obvious to me he chose Ellis based strictly on his own #5 ranking. He clearly doesn't get the fact that value for Belichick is defined by players who not only fit the system, but fill a need and play a role. IMO, the selection of Ellis is clearly a consensus ranked pick, which strays away from the Pats philosophy.

...the Williams pick clearly indicates Gosselin has heard something, mighty interesting.

Well, when Gosselin has Williams ranked #20 and Clady ranked #9, I'd think personal preference is involved.

 

[BelichickFan]

285 lb backup for wilfork?

He's not 285. He's 310.

COuld you please explain the value in spending top 10 money on a back-up?

Being a backup would be a piece of his value. He could get a lot of time in 2nd and 3rd downs on passing downs and short distance.

Like I said, though, that is also a good placeholder pick to him going to a different team via a trade.

 

[Dinger]

I wouldn't be surprized to see New Orleans try to trade first round picks (if Ellis is still there) with the Pats in the first round and try to throw in Jamaal Brown

 

[mgteich]

I like Ellis and I think he is likely to be picked at #7, but in the end if he's on the board at #7 he'll be drafted by NO. It is an easy trade for both teams.

 

[unoriginal]

I wouldn't be surprized to see New Orleans try to trade first round picks (if Ellis is still there) with the Pats in the first round and try to throw in Jamaal Brown

Why would they throw in Jamaal Brown? Does Payton think Brees throws better out of a furious backpedal?

I know the man got benched briefly last year but come on.

 

[BelichickFan]

Why would they throw in Jamaal Brown?

Supposedly they offered that to move up to #2 for Dorsey - but that was to move up higher.

 

[BradyManny]

FWIW, there's been a rumor floating around that the Patriots might select a D-linemen early this year, and then try to unload Seymour via trade.

The problem w trying to trade Seymour is that a) I have a feeling that if he's healthy for a season, we see him return to form and b) right now, you wouldn't be getting fair value for him...I'd hate to see that happen.

But I'm becoming open to Ellis. He wouldn't be just a backup, this team rotates its DLine a lot, and implements sub packages that takes Wilfork off the field. He'd get plenty of snaps, and it would give them some good leverage and options when it comes time for Wilfork and Seymour to either re-sign or move on.

Still, Red Bryant in the 2nd round might achieve all that as well for a fraction of the price.

 

[PonyExpress]

I don't think KC has any intention of drafting Gholston, Albert or Ryan. It's a smokescreen for the Pats and others.

IMO they are targeting Harvey, Clady or Williams in the top 10, in that order.

 

[dhamz]

COuld you please explain the value in spending top 10 money on a back-up?

Teams don't play 11 guys these days. Some subs play as much and in the case of a nickle back more than starters. I have little doubt that 2 of the best defensive minds alive would draft Ellis and then not have a plan of how to use him.

Also, DL might be a strenght for this team today. In a couple years, it is very up in the air if anyone outside of Warren will be around. BB has said often you don't draft for today, you draft for the period of time you will have the player.

 

[upstater1]

I'd want at least two first rounders for Seymour, one this year and one next.

No one will pay that.

 

[drew4008]

I'd want at least two first rounders for Seymour, one this year and one next.

No one will pay that.

You won't even get one.

 

[RayClay]

He's not 285. He's 310.

Being a backup would be a piece of his value. He could get a lot of time in 2nd and 3rd downs on passing downs and short distance.

Like I said, though, that is also a good placeholder pick to him going to a different team via a trade.

I haven't weighed him, I'm going by the USC page.

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ellis_sedrick00.html

#7 for a backup.

 

[drew4008]

At the USC Pro Day he was 6-0 ½, 298.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d806b4a39&template=with-video&confirm=true

 

[jefmblrd]

Ellis is a good player, and good D-Lineman are tough to find, but I don't see the Patriots drafting him at #7 unless there is no way they can trade out of that spot. If Gosselin's mock comes true and Matt Ryan slides to #8, they might have some trade leverage with some team lower on the board since it's been widely speculated that Baltimore is interested in Ryan. This way they also might get a higher second round pick which might be a good place to grab one of the better corners in this draft.

 

[cloud34]

Besides being a backup, Ellis would be the 3rd highest paid player on the team..makes no sense to me. If they do use the 7th pick (which I think they won't), it has to be someone who will come in and play right away, if we're talking about value here...a guy like Albert comes in and starts from day 1...to me that seems like better value for that kind on money.

 

[CoachK]

Ellis is a good player, and good D-Lineman are tough to find, but I don't see the Patriots drafting him at #7 unless there is no way they can trade out of that spot. If Gosselin's mock comes true and Matt Ryan slides to #8, they might have some trade leverage with some team lower on the board since it's been widely speculated that Baltimore is interested in Ryan. This way they also might get a higher second round pick which might be a good place to grab one of the better corners in this draft.

If Ryan is on the Board at #7, Bill calls his old friend Jerry at the Bears. We get #14 and their 2nd round pick and they get their quarterback. We then take our highest rated defensive player on the board (Mayo, Groves, CB, ??), and fill the gap between our first round pick and #62.

 

[letekro]

Ellis is NOT a back-up for Wilfork. He's a 4-3 DT/3-4 DE. And undersized for the Patriots DE position.

I'm sorry, but your assessment is wrong. He doesn't provide great value from the simple standpoint that he doesn't fit into the Pats schemes unless they switch, totally, to the 4-3. And that's not happening.

I agree. Gosselin does not make sense. Just because you have four good linemen doesn't mean you should play a 4-3. 4-3 requires two smaller, faster ends. We don't have those. It also requires a fast MLB, again, we don't have that. More importantly, we have a coach that has coached a 3-4 base defense his entire career. If this happens I will be shocked and confused.