Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his case

[PATRIOT64]

I looked at both career stats and the evidence does show that Brohm has actually been the better QB over his collegiate career.

So the question remains,beside the so so last year in Louisville,Brohm still had thrown for 30 TDs, What makes anyone think Ryan is even worthy of the first QB taken?

Do you smell a possible bust in Ryan and a bargain for a late 1st round team or early second in Brohm?

I am glad the Pats don't need a QB because this is the absolute worst draft class in MANY years at the QB spot - If Colt Brennan or Woodson ends up the best QB it would not be totally shocking.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hm_Who_to_take_in_ the_2008_NFL_Draft_-070208

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

Every year there are busts and surprises... and this year will be no different.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

I looked at both career stats and the evidence does show that Brohm has actually been the better QB over his collegiate career.

So the question remains,beside the so so last year in Louisville,Brohm still had thrown for 30 TDs, What makes anyone think Ryan is even worthy of the first QB taken?

Do you smell a possible bust in Ryan and a bargain for a late 1st round team or early second in Brohm?

I am glad the Pats don't need a QB because this is the absolute worst draft class in MANY years at the QB spot - If Colt Brennan or Woodson ends up the best QB it would not be totally shocking.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hm_Who_to_take_in_ the_2008_NFL_Draft_-070208

As a purported Patriots fan, you should know that loftier numbers ≠ better quarterback.

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

The Louisville team underachieved big time this past year and Brohm is taking a hit for that (deserved or not...you decide). As for Brohm himself, give him 2 more inches in height and I think people would have overlooked the team's record in 2007.

Funny thing about that is Henne is the exact same height and Michigan underachieved in 2007 as well. Only difference is that Henne has a big arm and is rising. I think the top QBs this year will somehow find their way to the team that fits them best:

Ryan = Atlanta (top intangibles, face of franchise)
Flacco = Baltimore (big, strong, tough)
Henne = Chicago (big arm for playing in nasty weather)
Brohm = Carolina (smart and accurate)

KC and Miami may have something to say about this though.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

I agree with Brohm.

I would take him first.

He is a Drew Brees clone though slower speedwise. Ryan is a big ?. Henne just sucks. I know very little about Flacco having never seen him play.

 

[Gator Mike]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

FWIW, I'm SHOCKED that Matt Ryan will go as high as he will.

Nice kid, I'm rooting for him... but he threw 19 interceptions last year. His best game against good competition was probably his first game of the year, and he still threw two picks.

He's just really, really overrated, IMO.

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

College stats for Qbs are very deceiving, contrary to what football outsiders suggests, when it comes to predicting a Qbs NFL potential. They are one factor, but a very blunt instrument. The competition levels, coaching, offensive scheme, surrounding talent are so variable that Qb stats alone are not a dependable indication of future success. They have some value, to show the player can be accurate and stay healthy. Beyond that people are trying to read too much into it, and the substance isn't there.

Combine college stats with field vision, arm strength, pocket presence and poise under pressure, and then you have something.

 

[JoePats]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

The Louisville team underachieved big time this past year and Brohm is taking a hit for that

I agree...If Brohm came out last year he would have been a top-ten selection. Actually, I like all three of the next-tier QBs. Henne was brilliant in the bowl game, which was the first time he was healthy in months. Flacco is a specimen.

 

[dryheat44]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

There are many questions about Brohm's arm strength. Teams that play in wintry/windy conditions could opt for Flacco or Henne instead.

There's a lot that goes into being an NFL QB, but I'm a firm believer that you have to have a minimum standard of arm strength to be successful. If you can't throw a 12-yard out pattern on a rope, then you probably can't play in this league. See what's been happening to Chad Pennington for a good example of what happens if you can't do that: Defenses don't have to play the medium-to-deep pass, a linebacker crowds the box full time, and DBs sit on the little crosses, flares and screens and light up the receiver after he catches it. A QB has to have remarkable athletic ability to even survive long in those cases.

Brohm meets that threshhold....but just barely.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

I looked at both career stats and the evidence does show that Brohm has actually been the better QB over his collegiate career.

The stats probably show he was a better passer, not a better QB.

Intangibles are important with any position, but are the most important factor with QBs.

Ryan Leaf had better stats than Peyton Manning, yet Manning went before Leaf. A mistake? No.

There were quite a few QBs with better stats than Brady.

I have no idea which will be the better QB. I do think it is silly that we as fans think we can watch YouTube highlights and buy the SI draft issue, and think we are smarter than NFL front offices and their scouting departments with all their full-time, experienced staff.

But hey, we're fans. It's what we do.

At least we can all agree that Dan Snyder is clueless.

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

The stats probably show he was a better passer, not a better QB.

Intangibles are important with any position, but are the most important factor with QBs.

Ryan Leaf had better stats than Peyton Manning, yet Manning went before Leaf. A mistake? No.

There were quite a few QBs with better stats than Brady.

I have no idea which will be the better QB. I do think it is silly that we as fans think we can watch YouTube highlights and buy the SI draft issue, and think we are smarter than NFL front offices and their scouting departments with all their full-time, experienced staff.

But hey, we're fans. It's what we do.

At least we can all agree that Dan Snyder is clueless.

Sadly, most of the amateurs on this board would draft more effectively than about half the teams in the NFL.

 

[Smash-MouthD]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

Ryan did more with less, no running game and not one reciever with plus speed.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Brian Brohm wonders why he is not the top QB in the 2008 draft & stats prove his

The stats probably show he was a better passer, not a better QB.

Intangibles are important with any position, but are the most important factor with QBs.

Ryan Leaf had better stats than Peyton Manning, yet Manning went before Leaf. A mistake? No.

There were quite a few QBs with better stats than Brady.

I have no idea which will be the better QB. I do think it is silly that we as fans think we can watch YouTube highlights and buy the SI draft issue, and think we are smarter than NFL front offices and their scouting departments with all their full-time, experienced staff.

But hey, we're fans. It's what we do.

At least we can all agree that Dan Snyder is clueless.

I'm critical of their professional staff because they are too close to the thing they are evaluating. They constantly overemphasize scouting combines over gameplay, while fans such as myself do a fair amount of watching players in action. For instance, I've seen Brohm play in 15 to 20 games. The kid is really good.

In the past I was high on Brady (as a PSU fan, I'd seen enough of what he could do) and I never understood how Brett Favre fell because it was clear he was something special because of the way he played the game. I was also highly confident in Drew Brees having watched him play a lot. I'm just skeptical about the scouts because they seem to have too much information and they tend to try to balance out all the info coming in. Me, I just watch the games, and from watching it seemed that Brohm was the clear winner in this year's rather limited QB class. The fact that Henne is #2 speaks volumes about the weak QBing this year, but if you want a Drew Brees type, there's one for the taking in the second round.