Mgteich's first 3 rounds for patriots

[mgteich]

#5 Chris Long (traded #69 to move up to #5 to get our man)
I expect Long, Gholston and Dorsey to be the top three in no particular order. Oakland should pick Ellis (although they could pick McFadden). At this point it is time to trade with KC and get Long. He won't there at #7.

#62 Godfrey (alternatives are Arvil and Lofton)

#69 traded

#94 traded for Shepherd
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So after the 3rd round (the Old Day One), I have a much better team. Actually after the real Day One since the Shepherd trade should announced by the end of Day One.

There is much to look for in the 4th -7th round long shots. I certainly want a blocking TE.

 

[RussFrancis]

Sounds like a winner. Id love to see us add Long. Just dont see it happening because of the contract ramifications. Piloi and BB will have a hard time justifying paying that kid more money than just about any other player on the team. Let's hope he falls to 7.

 

[PonyExpress]

#5 Chris Long (traded #69 to move up to #5 to get our man)
I expect Long, Gholston and Dorsey to be the top three in no particular order. Oakland should pick Ellis (although they could pick McFadden). At this point it is time to trade with KC and get Long. He won't there at #7.

#62 Godfrey (alternatives are Arvil and Lofton)

#69 traded

#94 traded for Shepherd
===================

So after the 3rd round (the Old Day One), I have a much better team. Actually after the real Day One since the Shepherd trade should announced by the end of Day One.

There is much to look for in the 4th -7th round long shots. I certainly want a blocking TE.

This would be great. My only reservation is Godfey, who IMO is an NFL safety and not a cb, which is what I assume you are drafting him to be.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, I am drafting him to be a corner. I certainly trust Belichick's evaluations of corners. Perhaps, I should just say "best available corner at 62".

My primary point is that we can get Long, Shepherd and a future potential starter at corner or nickel. We can expect no more out of the first three rounds.

This would be great. My only reservation is Godfey, who IMO is an NFL safety and not a cb, which is what I assume you are drafting him to be.

 

[PonyExpress]

Yes, I am drafting him to be a corner. I certainly trust Belichick's evaluations of corners. Perhaps, I should just say "best available corner at 62".

My primary point is that we can get Long, Shepherd and a future potential starter at corner or nickel. We can expect no more out of the first three rounds.

Do you think the trade for Shepherd makes taking another cb at #62 redundant? I'm not necessarily saying that, I'm just curious what your thinking might be. Maybe a guard like Zuttah who could impact right away or a project OT might be an alternative.

 

[mavfan2390]

I would love it, but I don't know how realistic it is.

Shephard for 94??

I'd rather have Avril at 62.

 

[mgteich]

I really want to have four corners. Three gets lots of reps. A nickel back is almost a starter, and plays more reps than some starters. The #4 is the dime back and the backup should any of the three other corners be injured. Also, if he isn't quite ready for prime time and not ready to be the dime, he can be given a year to develop.

Besides Bryant is only signed through 2008, and Hobbs through 2009. Shepherd will be the only corner signed long term.

I don't want Bryant and Hobbs in a position to blackmail us next year.

Do you think the trade for Shepherd makes taking another cb at #62 redundant? I'm not necessarily saying that, I'm just curious what your thinking might be. Maybe a guard like Zuttah who could impact right away or a project OT might be an alternative.

 

[Ellis_Hobbs27]

#5 Chris Long (traded #69 to move up to #5 to get our man)
I expect Long, Gholston and Dorsey to be the top three in no particular order. Oakland should pick Ellis (although they could pick McFadden). At this point it is time to trade with KC and get Long. He won't there at #7.

#62 Godfrey (alternatives are Arvil and Lofton)

#69 traded

#94 traded for Shepherd
===================

So after the 3rd round (the Old Day One), I have a much better team. Actually after the real Day One since the Shepherd trade should announced by the end of Day One.

There is much to look for in the 4th -7th round long shots. I certainly want a blocking TE.

If they pull off the trade for Shepherd then that changes my first round opinion.

I am still leaning heavily for Cason but if the do get Shepherd then I go to Rivers.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I really want to have four corners. Three gets lots of reps. A nickel back is almost a starter, and plays more reps than some starters. The #4 is the dime back and the backup should any of the three other corners be injured. Also, if he isn't quite ready for prime time and not ready to be the dime, he can be given a year to develop.

Besides Bryant is only signed through 2008, and Hobbs through 2009. Shepherd will be the only corner signed long term.

I don't want Bryant and Hobbs in a position to blackmail us next year.

If they pull off the trade for Shepherd and sign him to a long extension, believe me Hobbs will be in NO position to blackmail the Pats. His salary would clearly be slotted as #2 corner money.

So assuming we have Long (pass rusher) and Shepherd (CB) in the fold, we should target an OT and a TE with our remaining/middle picks. JMO.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

#5 Chris Long (traded #69 to move up to #5 to get our man)
I expect Long, Gholston and Dorsey to be the top three in no particular order. Oakland should pick Ellis (although they could pick McFadden). At this point it is time to trade with KC and get Long. He won't there at #7.

#62 Godfrey (alternatives are Arvil and Lofton)

#69 traded

#94 traded for Shepherd
===================

So after the 3rd round (the Old Day One), I have a much better team. Actually after the real Day One since the Shepherd trade should announced by the end of Day One.

There is much to look for in the 4th -7th round long shots. I certainly want a blocking TE.

Nice looking dream. :rocker: I think I'd rather have Ray Rice, Jordy Nelson, or Avril at 62, but that's a matter of taste.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Sounds like a winner. Id love to see us add Long. Just dont see it happening because of the contract ramifications. Piloi and BB will have a hard time justifying paying that kid more money than just about any other player on the team. Let's hope he falls to 7.

If the Pats trade up to #5, then it automatically implies that they believe he is worth that money. (The converse of that statement is not true, BTW--just because they don't draft up doesn't automatically imply that he isn't worth it.)

 

[Seneschal2]

This would be great. My only reservation is Godfey, who IMO is an NFL safety and not a cb, which is what I assume you are drafting him to be.

I agree with this, and think #62 is too early for another CB.

If we trade up for long, I can live with this, as he's the #1 ranked prospect on my Pats board. For those curious, Cason is the #2 ranked prospect overall.

With Shepard on board, I'd still draft another CB...maybe round three on. Curious as to where CBs Wheatley and Williams will go, as I tend to ignore most consensus rankings this close to the draft (until Gosselin chimes in).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Don't think the Patriots will be acquiring 2 players demanding $40M+ deals and a combined $35M+/- in bonus and guarantees having never played a snap in either the NFL or in this system in one day. If we trade for Shepard we might as well have kept Asante. He was familiar with the system and a lot more durable. You're in effect just letting he and the Eagles blackmail us this year...Long is a conversion project to OLB and we'll be paying him on par with AD and almost double what the guy he will EVENTUALLY replace has ever gotten here?

I think we trade down or not at all. If not at all we take a player at #7 who is a top ten on our board who will start day 1 and projects to be as Bill says an 8 time pro bowler. Only players I see who can be that HERE this year are OL, because unless we plan to trade a DL there is no starting position for any DL for 2 years - and you don't take a player that high to shelf him for a year or two as depth/conversion project or backup or a rotational player as you could at the bottom of the round. I think we use some day 2 picks and maybe even some 2009 picks to maneuver up and into the second where Bill has lots of projected targets. And that is where we address other concerns including corner.

 

[primetime]

I'd be happy with that. I don't think they'll trade for Sheppard but I wouldn't be surprised if they make the trade for Chris Long if he's available at #5. I think he's going to be a game-changing talent and is the best player in the draft.

 

[bakes781]

Lito Shepherd for a late 3rd? You're dreaming right?

However trading up a couple spots for Chris Long I am all for.

 

[sebman2112]

This would be great. My only reservation is Godfey, who IMO is an NFL safety and not a cb, which is what I assume you are drafting him to be.

If I remember correctly, don't you have a similar reservation in regard to Mike Jenkins? I'm not completely sure about Godfrey, but I do believe Jenkins will be a good CB in the NFL, and he could work quite well within NE's system.

FWIW, I went back over some of my tape/video recently, and I think Jenkins has good feet for the position.

 

[PonyExpress]

If I remember correctly, don't you have a similar reservation in regard to Mike Jenkins? I'm not completely sure about Godfrey, but I do believe Jenkins will be a good CB in the NFL, and he could work quite well within NE's system.

FWIW, I went back over some of my tape/video recently, and I think Jenkins has good feet for the position.

Jenkins reminds me of Geno Wilson. Could Geno have played cb in the NFL, from his rookie year on? Probably, but his impact NFL position was FS.

 

[mgteich]

Sure, I'm dreaming. We may need to part with #62 instead, in which case our second corner is at #94. Or we might swap 1st and 2nds with Philly.

Lito Shepherd for a late 3rd? You're dreaming right?

However trading up a couple spots for Chris Long I am all for.

 

[Disco Volante]

I'd need to change my pants if we got Chris ***ing Long and Lito on the same day.

 

[mgteich]

There is no reason for this not to happen, if the team wants it to happen. I suppose KC could pick Long, but I don't see that happening. If that is a great concern, then we should trade with Oakland. After all, Oakland could trade with the jets and still get their man at #8 (if they are OK with Ellis or McFadden).

We have the picks at #7, #62, #69 to make both deals. I am fine with using our first three picks for these two players. That would mean our #62 or #69 for Shepherd and the other pick to KC or even to Oakland to move up. #62 should be enough to trade with Oakland. If #69 is enough to get Shepherd, then we're home.

I'd need to change my pants if we got Chris ***ing Long and Lito on the same day.