My2Cents Finalized Two Round Mock Draft

[My2Cents]

DRC = Deion Sanders, a future game changer, elite shutdown ball hawking CB, with unmatched speed and vertical that will change games on the defensive side of the ball and in the return game, yet you'll have to drop your argument here my friend, no one here wants him, but it's nice to see you on board............

As previously mentioned, I'm all about having stones coming out my ears and about simply living for a good stoning. What the Pat fans want is irrelevant.
What the Pats do, that's what counts. They are all about the Combine and Senior Bowl. I say they snatch up DRC quickly. I could care less about playing to an audience. That never works. I'd just assume rile them up.

 

[VJCPatriot]

As previously mentioned, I'm all about having stones coming out my ears and about simply living for a good stoning. What the Pat fans want is irrelevant.
What the Pats do, that's what counts. They are all about the Combine and Senior Bowl. I say they snatch up DRC quickly. I could care less about playing to an audience. That never works. I'd just assume rile them up.

Stick with your convictions. Nobody knows for sure what will happen on Draft Day. The Pats rarely bust with their 1st round picks though, so I'm mostly optimistic, and waiting to see a curveball pick. BB loves to serve those up.

Here is one thing I dont like about DRC. Deion Sanders. He is a FSU alum, and his boy THE REAL CROMARTIE(who did blow away measurables at the combine before blowing his knee)must be giving Deion the business for not touting him higher when he came out. Now that DRC changed his name, had a conversation with the REAL CROMARTIE and HIRED Deion on......now he is the SH*T? I know if my #1 CB(drafted #7)only pulled down 4 INTs it would be a bad year. This guy got only HALF that against inferior competition. Maybe he does well at the next level, but this guy has the biggest chance of being a bust than anyone else projected to go first round. We dont take chances like that, we go for the boring guards before we do something that stupid.....

Ints are overrated for CBs. The simple fact is that once teams realize that a CB is good, they will avoid throwing to his side of the field. DRC's catching percentage allowed is a very favorable stat at .387 percentage allowed of passes thrown his way.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Oh, I'm not saying they won't. But don't put words in my mouth, either.

How else could they move up? Well assuming it is the Jets that move up to #3, and not ------say, the Bengals!!!! perhaps ------- , I would assume they might package other picks, or maybe dangle Pennington.

I didn't put words in your mouth. You were the one with the Jets at #3 (not the Bengals) and I asked what the price would be to move up that high. No team is going to take Pennington (noodle arm at the end of his career)or the lesser round picks to swap #3 for #6. Look at the trade value chart, either the traditional one or the most recent one as well as the history of first round trades and you'll see that the price would usually be a first next year or this year's second round pick.
You put effort into the mock draft but don't get upset if somebody suggests what the price would be for a trade that you predicted/hypothesized.

 

[A.C Vegas]

I can't win! When my mock is very different from all others, I take a beating.
When my mock "sounds like all others" (bull crap, btw!) I get hammered for not being different enough. It's a no-win game. Go ahead, make a mock! I dare you!!! Then maybe you'll get it. ------As for the Jets, flip a coin:
the Jets, Bengals and Saints (And possibly the Ravens, but I doubt it!) all want to move up. Who wants it most???

i was refering to the fact that like all the others out there it has no chance in hell of being right just like every single other mock in the history of the world i would love to find someone out there that got even more then 50% of the picks right any year at all even the experts are mostly wrong becase they are predict what they would do not what the team will do and that just the way it is. I would do my own mock I just don't have the time to devote to it.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

i was refering to the fact that like all the others out there it has no chance in hell of being right just like every single other mock in the history of the world i would love to find someone out there that got even more then 50% of the picks right any year at all even the experts are mostly wrong becase they are predict what they would do not what the team will do and that just the way it is. I would do my own mock I just don't have the time to devote to it.

Kiper and Clark Judge got 9/32 right last year which seems to be the most accurate according to this article...

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/03/29/a-brief-mock-draft-scorecard.aspx

There was another site that ranked the 'experts' for the last 5 years but I can't find the link....

 

[primetime]

As previously mentioned, I'm all about having stones coming out my ears and about simply living for a good stoning. What the Pat fans want is irrelevant.
What the Pats do, that's what counts. They are all about the Combine and Senior Bowl. I say they snatch up DRC quickly. I could care less about playing to an audience. That never works. I'd just assume rile them up.

Actually, the Patriots are all about production in college in NFL-esque systems against top competition.

Oops, that describes everything DRC is not.

The Patriots aren't going to take a CB at #7. They'd be paying him almost as much as they could've paid Samuel to keep him, and they're certainly not going to take DRC, who's a project on his best day, and pay him as much as they'd have paid Samuel.

By the way, the fact that you just said DRC will be better than Mike Haynes discredits this entire thread. Also, it's "just as soon rile them up."

 

[My2Cents]

I'll be waiting with baited breath...

Ummm...You mean "bated" breath, perhaps. :snob:

 

[Dagg]

No way we pass on Ghoulston for DRC.

 

[rsd]

As previously mentioned, I'm all about having stones coming out my ears and about simply living for a good stoning. What the Pat fans want is irrelevant.
What the Pats do, that's what counts. They are all about the Combine and Senior Bowl. I say they snatch up DRC quickly. I could care less about playing to an audience. That never works. I'd just assume rile them up.

I don't know much, but I know that the bolded above is so very, very wrong.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Ummm...You mean "bated" breath, perhaps. :snob:

Unless he's been eating a lot of worms and fish...........

 

[rsd]

Ummm...You mean "bated" breath, perhaps. :snob:

Sue me...:singing:

I have yet to see any sensible logic from ANYONE advocating DRC for the Patriots (particularly at #7). Its the same people raving (like lunatics) about his "athletic ability". Give me real reasons as to why they would draft him that high, despite the following arguments against it:

1. Why pay a CB that kind of money at #7 when keeping Samuel (a PROVEN player) somewhat comparable money.
2. At best the kid is a 1-2 year project imo. I don't see him starting for the Patriots from day 1. I'd be shocked if anyone can disagree with a straight face.
3. From the brief hints here and there, the kid doesn't seem like a genius when it comes to schemes
4. He had decent to good production at a lower level, but didn't dominate (I admit I'm just regurgitating what I've learned for this point). Fact is, virtually none of us saw this kid play.
5. The Patriots generally draft by value not necessarily by need (let's not get into the whole debate of this, but accept the general point). If Dorsey or DRC is there at #7, I guarantee you barring a trade they go for the big guy.
6. (take this with a grain of salt) But one "Insider" here already said that the Patriots took a small school cb off their board for inexperience/lack of smarts. Many are guessing it is DRC but who knows for sure.

So, again all I hear are people pointing to combine numbers and a handful of plays during an exhibition game. I honestly would like to hear a cogent explanation as to why they would ever take DRC at #7.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Kiper and Clark Judge got 9/32 right last year which seems to be the most accurate according to this article...

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/03/29/a-brief-mock-draft-scorecard.aspx

There was another site that ranked the 'experts' for the last 5 years but I can't find the link....

If you check the OP's track record - he arrived here to boldly predict last years first round - he's 1 for 32 in first round matches, 2 for 32 if you count a trade up he didn't predict that resulted in the team taking the player he predicted... you will take all this with a grain of salr. Thankfully he's batting zero where the Pats are concerned. His 1 match by the way wasn't nuclear physics as many were predicting Thomas to Cleveland. He had 23 actual first round picks in his first round, the other 9 went anywhere from late 2nd to 7th . He had Meriweather go to Miami at 25 though they traded out of that pick. He had us take Moss who went to Denver via JAX at #17, and then had us take Brandon Siler with pick #28 (thank God Bill instead flipped that pick for #7 this year...Siler finally went in the 7th round).

It gets better though. A day later he posted he hoped we would take OLB Rory Johnson at #28. DaBruinz with his usual grace informed him he was advocating taking a 6th rounder in the first. OP said no way he goes in the 6th, and in fact he didn't. He was an UDFA, signed by GB and released in September...

 

[SamBamsFan]

It gets better though. A day later he posted he hoped we would take OLB Rory Johnson at #28. DaBruinz with his usual grace informed him he was advocating taking a 6th rounder in the first. OP said no way he goes in the 6th, and in fact he didn't. He was an UDFA, signed by GB and released in September...

Good memory. It stirred mine.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...showthread.php?t=51348&highlight=Rory+Johnson

In fairness- my first mock had us selecting Revis & Grubbs last year. Siler "slipped" into the mid 2nd.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Sue me...:singing:

I have yet to see any sensible logic from ANYONE advocating DRC for the Patriots (particularly at #7). Its the same people raving (like lunatics) about his "athletic ability". Give me real reasons as to why they would draft him that high, despite the following arguments against it:

1. Why pay a CB that kind of money at #7 when keeping Samuel (a PROVEN player) somewhat comparable money.
2. At best the kid is a 1-2 year project imo. I don't see him starting for the Patriots from day 1. I'd be shocked if anyone can disagree with a straight face.
3. From the brief hints here and there, the kid doesn't seem like a genius when it comes to schemes
4. He had decent to good production at a lower level, but didn't dominate (I admit I'm just regurgitating what I've learned for this point). Fact is, virtually none of us saw this kid play.
5. The Patriots generally draft by value not necessarily by need (let's not get into the whole debate of this, but accept the general point). If Dorsey or DRC is there at #7, I guarantee you barring a trade they go for the big guy.
6. (take this with a grain of salt) But one "Insider" here already said that the Patriots took a small school cb off their board for inexperience/lack of smarts. Many are guessing it is DRC but who knows for sure.

So, again all I hear are people pointing to combine numbers and a handful of plays during an exhibition game. I honestly would like to hear a cogent explanation as to why they would ever take DRC at #7.

I guess this guy must be a lunatic also:

"Former Auburn star Quentin Groves will be drafted before 24. He is the best pure pass rusher in this draft and he is a better 4-3 defensive end than a 3-4 outside linebacker -- his film at Auburn proves that. I'd guess he is going in round one to Minnesota, Tennessee or Jacksonville....My favorite cornerback in the class is Tennessee State's Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. I say this because of his excellent ball skills. His hands are so good, that he could be a top prospect at wide receiver. But the thing that makes him really special is what he can do when the ball is in the air. Very few cornerbacks can do what he does."

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm

 

[rsd]

I guess this guy must be a lunatic also:

"Former Auburn star Quentin Groves will be drafted before 24. He is the best pure pass rusher in this draft and he is a better 4-3 defensive end than a 3-4 outside linebacker -- his film at Auburn proves that. I'd guess he is going in round one to Minnesota, Tennessee or Jacksonville....My favorite cornerback in the class is Tennessee State's Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. I say this because of his excellent ball skills. His hands are so good, that he could be a top prospect at wide receiver. But the thing that makes him really special is what he can do when the ball is in the air. Very few cornerbacks can do what he does."

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm

Ok I'll say it one more time, citing other draft "experts" is not proof of anything. I don't necessarily have an issue with someone saying the kid will be good or whatever, but when you say unequivocally that he is the next Deion Sanders makes you like like a 12-year old at a Hannah Montana concert. NO ONE can say he's the next Deion Sanders with any sort of authority. You simply can't make such a statement without looking like a total fanboy. That's my main issue at least with those carrying the DRC jock.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Ok I'll say it one more time, citing other draft "experts" is not proof of anything. I don't necessarily have an issue with someone saying the kid will be good or whatever, but when you say unequivocally that he is the next Deion Sanders makes you like like a 12-year old at a Hannah Montana concert. NO ONE can say he's the next Deion Sanders with any sort of authority. You simply can't make such a statement without looking like a total fanboy. That's my main issue at least with those carrying the DRC jock.

This guy must be 12 also:

"If there's going to be somebody that's as good as Deion that I've (trained) in the last 20 years, it's Dominique," Shaw said. "I think Dominique is a Hall of Famer. The way this kid can react to the football, the way he adjusts ... He's the best receiver I have in this camp. He's a kid that can do everything."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7952048/Tennessee-St.-CB-Rodgers-Cromartie-on-short-list

 

[Deus Irae]

This guy must be 12 also:

"If there's going to be somebody that's as good as Deion that I've (trained) in the last 20 years, it's Dominique," Shaw said. "I think Dominique is a Hall of Famer. The way this kid can react to the football, the way he adjusts ... He's the best receiver I have in this camp. He's a kid that can do everything."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7952048/Tennessee-St.-CB-Rodgers-Cromartie-on-short-list

You missed something in that same story:

Not everyone is that sold. No small-school cornerback has been chosen in the first-round since Tyrone Poole (Fort Valley State) in 1995. That reflects concerns NFL teams have about whether players can make the adjustment needed to excel against much better competition and more complex offensive schemes.

NFL.com draft analyst Gil Brandt said Rodgers-Cromartie played primarily in a cover-three zone scheme in college and wasn't a strong tackler.

"He's going to have to learn how to play better man (coverage) now and recognize so much more," said Brandt, who projects Rodgers-Cromartie will be chosen between picks No. 16 and 20.

 

[My2Cents]

Sue me...:singing:

I have yet to see any sensible logic from ANYONE advocating DRC for the Patriots (particularly at #7). Its the same people raving (like lunatics) about his "athletic ability". Give me real reasons as to why they would draft him that high, despite the following arguments against it:

Two of the most important qualities the Pats value in a prospect are:
1.) athletic ability, and 2.) versatility. Review BB's post-draft comments.
If they value athleticism, why are you so down on it? I don't understand.

1. Why pay a CB that kind of money at #7 when keeping Samuel (a PROVEN player) somewhat comparable money.

That's flawed logic. It's not a case of giving either a rookie CB money or giving a Pro Bowler money. That's just wrong. It was a matter of keeping Moss or Samuel. What rookies get paid has absolutely nothing to do with it.

2. At best the kid is a 1-2 year project imo. I don't see him starting for the Patriots from day 1. I'd be shocked if anyone can disagree with a straight face.

Again, your logic is wrong. You don't draft a prospect for what he can do from day one. You draft him for the long term. At best, you hope he contributes early.

3. From the brief hints here and there, the kid doesn't seem like a genius when it comes to schemes

It's football, not rocket science. "Scouts say he’s a self-starter and a motivator with an obvious passion for football, a big plus with Belichick." [Manza, Projo].

4. He had decent to good production at a lower level, but didn't dominate (I admit I'm just regurgitating what I've learned for this point). Fact is, virtually none of us saw this kid play.

Oh, but you've saw all the others play? Come on. And just because he's from a smaller school he should be penalized. He did all he could last season and made the most of his chances against higher level competition but he still gets no respect.

5. The Patriots generally draft by value not necessarily by need (let's not get into the whole debate of this, but accept the general point). If Dorsey or DRC is there at #7, I guarantee you barring a trade they go for the big guy.

That's not saying anything, really. There's little to no chance Dorsey is there.

6. (take this with a grain of salt) But one "Insider" here already said that the Patriots took a small school cb off their board for inexperience/lack of smarts. Many are guessing it is DRC but who knows for sure.

So, just on the off chance that this unnamed "Insider" with unnamed sources might be referring to DRC, we scratch him? That's logical!

So, again all I hear are people pointing to combine numbers and a handful of plays during an exhibition game. I honestly would like to hear a cogent explanation as to why they would ever take DRC at #7.

Here's a couple of reasons why: DRC

might turn out to be just like the other Cromartie. Great reads. Enjoy them.

 

[VJCPatriot]

6. (take this with a grain of salt) But one "Insider" here already said that the Patriots took a small school cb off their board for inexperience/lack of smarts. Many are guessing it is DRC but who knows for sure.

So, again all I hear are people pointing to combine numbers and a handful of plays during an exhibition game. I honestly would like to hear a cogent explanation as to why they would ever take DRC at #7.

Here are the Wonderlic scores of some notable CBs in the 2008 draft:

Jacob Tamme 34/34
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 19/38
Leodis McKelvin 13/34
Chevis Jackson 15/30
Kenny Phillips 16
Ali Highsmith 7/13

Yeah DRC scored a 38 so the assaults on his intelligence are unmerited. The small school thing, yeah that has some merit. But Demarcus Ware came from Troy (student enrollement of under 3,000), so it's hardly the only factor to be considered.

 

[My2Cents]

If you check the OP's track record - he arrived here to boldly predict last years first round - he's 1 for 32 in first round matches, 2 for 32 if you count a trade up he didn't predict that resulted in the team taking the player he predicted... you will take all this with a grain of salr. Thankfully he's batting zero where the Pats are concerned. His 1 match by the way wasn't nuclear physics as many were predicting Thomas to Cleveland. He had 23 actual first round picks in his first round, the other 9 went anywhere from late 2nd to 7th . He had Meriweather go to Miami at 25 though they traded out of that pick. He had us take Moss who went to Denver via JAX at #17, and then had us take Brandon Siler with pick #28 (thank God Bill instead flipped that pick for #7 this year...Siler finally went in the 7th round).

So, what you're saying is that there's no redeeming myself? Being wrong last season is just too unforgivable? And, furthermore, everybody else's two misses were way better than mine? Well, that's fair.