Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robertson?

[JoeSixPat]

... that was awsommme!

....especially now that the Jets are trying to offload him, hoping for a third round pick, so they don't have to pay his salary and bonus money

Man - too bad it wasn't MangIdiot who made that deal... still, you gotta wonder what Jets fans think knowing they had, if memory serves, #13 and #22 and just have Dewayne Roberston's deadweight contract to show for it.

Perhaps others can corroborate, but I'm 99% sure that BB was making noises about taking the Patriots own picks at #14 and #19 and jumping ahead of the Jets to grab a player both teams wanted (sound familiar?). We of course wound up turning #19 into Vince Wilfork the following year and moved up one spot after the Jets needlessly blew two 1st round picks to take Robertson at #4.

It's gotta hurt even more knowing how many other options they had at #4 beyond Robertson - or which guys they could have had at #13 and #22 had they not been spooked trying to second guess what Belichick was going to do!

A few of the 2003 guys could have had at #4 are:

Terence Newman
Terrell Suggs
Kevin Williams, and
Marcus Trufant

And had they kept thier picks they could possibly have had TWO of the following:

Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Dallas Clark
Larry Johnson
Calvin Pace (well, it took them 5 years and $42 million, but they finally got him)
Eugene Wilson

And probably a few others!

Feel free to tell me if I'm remembering this wrong but it does go to illustrate not just how Belichick uses the draft to make his own team better - but how his mind games can prompt other teams to make moves that wind up weakening them in the long run.

 

[slash83]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

... that was awsommme!

....especially now that the Jets are trying to offload him, hoping for a third round pick, so they don't have to pay his salary and bonus money

Man - too bad it wasn't MangIdiot who made that deal... still, you gotta wonder what Jets fans think knowing they had, if memory serves, #13 and #22 and just have Dewayne Roberston's deadweight contract to show for it.

Perhaps others can corroborate, but I'm 99% sure that BB was making noises about taking the Patriots own picks at #14 and #19 and jumping ahead of the Jets to grab a player both teams wanted (sound familiar?). We of course wound up turning #19 into Vince Wilfork the following year and moved up one spot after the Jets needlessly blew two 1st round picks to take Robertson at #4.

It's gotta hurt even more knowing how many other options they had at #4 beyond Robertson - or which guys they could have had at #13 and #22 had they not been spooked trying to second guess what Belichick was going to do!

A few of the 2003 guys could have had at #4 are:

Terence Newman
Terrell Suggs
Kevin Williams, and
Marcus Trufant

And had they kept thier picks they could possibly have had TWO of the following:

Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Dallas Clark
Larry Johnson
Calvin Pace (well, it took them 5 years and $42 million, but they finally got him)
Eugene Wilson

And probably a few others!

Feel free to tell me if I'm remembering this wrong but it does go to illustrate not just how Belichick uses the draft to make his own team better - but how his mind games can prompt other teams to make moves that wind up weakening them in the long run.

yup jets are ******ed

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

yup jets are ******ed

Now I'm not saying Robertson's a bust - but was he worth the #4 pick?

I don't think so - and when one considers all the Jets current needs and how they squandered two solid 1st round picks.... well its just a slam dunk for Belichick, making the Jets think that HE was willing to trade up to grab Robertson, when instead, he used his two first rounders for Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork.

 

[JoePats]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

he used his two first rounders for Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork.

Warren was 03 and Wilfork was 04. The 2nd first rounder in 04 was Ben Watson.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Warren was 03 and Wilfork was 04. The 2nd first rounder in 04 was Ben Watson.

Go back and check to see who the Patriots used their #19 pick on in '03.

 

[patchick]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Serious question: do we actually know that BB didn't covet Robertson?

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Serious question: do we actually know that BB didn't covet Robertson?

Again, I'll have to go back and check but I believe he denied he was seriously considering trading up once the draft was over... but since when was BB ever truly open about such things?

Here's something from Patsfans that at least corroborates the pre-draft rumors that Belichick coveted Robertson, whether he truly did or was just trying to get the Jets to expend an extra #1

http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_story.php?story_id=2202

Here's something from the NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE5DB153DF935A15757C0A9659C8B63

What was fishy to us at the time was how much talk there was about the Patriots trading up - and that it was a rope a dope to get the Jets to make that move. Normally if Belichick is really interested in a player or trading up, he'd not be as open as he was in regard to a trade with the Bears.

Of course no one knows how anyone is going to work out in the draft - yet for some reason to me, it sounds if Belichick really wanted to be at #4 he wouldn't have let a later round draft pick hold it up - and indeed there were other possible trading partners as well.

 

[dhamz]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

If I had to guess, it is far more likely the Bears spooked the Jets ino thinking they had the Pats ready to trade up than BB playing games with the Jets.

Both other teams and player agents know the Pats organizational disdain for the media means that you can leak their interest (real or imagined) to the press (even better if you leak it to the Boston press giving it more cred) and not worry the Pats will deny it like most other teams will.

I have no doubt BB took some satisfaction in letting the Jets know they had been duped by this tactic but I doubt he was spending his time messing with the Jets when in the midst of preparing for the most important day of the offseason.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

If I had to guess, it is far more likely the Bears spooked the Jets ino thinking they had the Pats ready to trade up than BB playing games with the Jets.

Both other teams and player agents know the Pats organizational disdain for the media means that you can leak their interest (real or imagined) to the press (even better if you leak it to the Boston press giving it more cred) and not worry the Pats will deny it like most other teams will.

I have no doubt BB took some satisfaction in letting the Jets know they had been duped by this tactic but I doubt he was spending his time messing with the Jets when in the midst of preparing for the most important day of the offseason.

That's where I'm not so sure... a division rival (the Jets no less) had two first round draft picks... (as did the Patriots).

Belichick knows there's as much a strategic advantage in weakening a rival as there is in strengthening his own team

 

[JoePats]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Go back and check to see who the Patriots used their #19 pick on in '03.

Ah good call.

What was BB's opinion of Robertson? Maybe he wanted to trade up too but was unwilling to make such a significant offer.

 

[NePatriots]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Right behind the Jets is the perfect position for us... especially with Chiefs right in front of them. Here's hoping they trade up to #4 to get Matt Ryan and 4 more years of top picks.

 

[JoePats]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

Right behind the Jets is the perfect position for us... especially with Chiefs right in front of them. Here's hoping they trade up to #4 to get Matt Ryan and 4 more years of top picks.

You won't be saying that if they trade 6 for 22 and 28.

 

[dhamz]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

That's where I'm not so sure... a division rival (the Jets no less) had two first round draft picks... (as did the Patriots).

Belichick knows there's as much a strategic advantage in weakening a rival as there is in strengthening his own team

That story has always sounded to me like another of the BB is a mad scinetist pulling the strings, controlling everything, and messing with the entire league fantasies that are so popular on this board. I've never bought into that stuff.

 

[NePatriots]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

You won't be saying that if they trade 6 for 22 and 28.

I really wouldn't care if they did. That would weaken Dallas IMO, which is a far bigger threat than the Jest.

 

[JoePats]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

I really wouldn't care if they did. That would weaken Dallas IMO, which is a far bigger threat than the Jest.

Disagree. Division opponents are FAR more important IMO than teams from the other league, where you have no control over their fate, and can only meet in the Super Bowl, which requires each team to a) make the playoffs and b) win two games. Just because the Pats and Cowboys are both the favorites in their respective leagues doesn't mean that a Super Bowl matchup between the two is likely. There's a difference between likely to happen and most likely outcome.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

That story has always sounded to me like another of the BB is a mad scinetist pulling the strings, controlling everything, and messing with the entire league fantasies that are so popular on this board. I've never bought into that stuff.

Every team - especially the Patriots - are playing mind games with each other, leaking opinions designed to move players up and down the draft board, striving to have teams think they're interested in players they aren't and hopefully getting the players they want.

It would not be a stretch for BB to send signals in 2003 through sources that he's planning to leapfrog a division rival in an effort to have the other team squander draft picks to make a needless move.

If we're ever in a similar situation again, it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happens.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

That story has always sounded to me like another of the BB is a mad scinetist pulling the strings, controlling everything, and messing with the entire league fantasies that are so popular on this board. I've never bought into that stuff.

Looks like the NY Media at least believes that Belichick spooked the Jets into blowing two first round picks to move up to grab Robertson at #4.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/04/20/2008-04-20_jets_draft_patriot_plans.html

The idea of the predraft game is to keep everybody guessing. In 2003, the Patriots bluffed the Jets into thinking they were hot for defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, which, in part, prompted the Jets to trade up to No. 4 overall.

Teams disseminate misinformation - shock! - to make sure the competition doesn't pick up the scent. Asked if he has engaged in the time-honored tradition of smoke screening, Tannenbaum declined to comment.

"Ask me (after the draft)," he said with a small smile.

A wee bit paranoid, perhaps?

Even the notoriously secretive Bill Belichick admitted that teams feign interest in prospects, sometimes inviting those players to predraft visits for the sole purpose of duping the competition. Asked to name the percentage of "dummy" visits, Belichick replied, "I don't know, 85-15? 90-10? I'm sure there's an element of that."

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Remember when BB spooked the Jets into trading 2 #1st Rd picks for Dewayne Robert

You can bet on Belichick letting them think we are trading with the Cheifs for McFadden ... bet on it.