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Yes, I do believe we will be the last to let go of this.

Why?

The rule infraction, while of debatable egregiousness, wasn't unprecedented. The subsequent judgment, while of dubious materiality, most assuredly was unprecedented.

From a fan's point of view, the problem this conundrum holds for us (prior experience vs an uncertain future, enforcement-wise) is that, until we are shown by experience otherwise, we will always wonder if we were not victimized by the very forces that were designed to protect us, in that the pompous pontifications of "the integrity of the game being at stake", to ostensibly promote a "level playing field" and enhance the public's perception of an ethical approach to a violent game, has merely been a cover to corrupt the efforts of one organization by fiat, when other methods, including, but not limited to, besting this organization on the field itself, have not sufficed.

In other words, a "level playing field" should be just that - which requires that any and all like infractions of this game's rules see a like enforcement of sanctions that befit the degree of lumber that was places on the Patriots for their percieved misdeeds.

In another time, such actions would doubtless have spawned innumerable conspiracy theories on how the league (i.e., every other team out there) has sought to bring down a successful team by means more foul than fair. But in this case, it is merely the machinations of one man, driven by Lord knows what kind of impudent doppelganger, that has roused the Calvinist fears that surely lies deep in the hearts of all New Englanders.

The point of all this mindless rambling (I admit that what it is!) is that the angst we feel in the wake of this episode is not simply the proper response we should hold, it is the only response we should hold.

To paraphrase the coach we all hold dear to us, we are who we are, and we offer no apologies for that!

Dear John Adams,

This "aint" no HBO, and you, my good man, certainly "aint" Paul Giamatti.
This whole post comes off as, in a word: ridiculous.

Nonetheless, I had a good laugh.
 
Dear John Adams,

This "aint" no HBO, and you, my good man, certainly "aint" Paul Giamatti.
This whole post comes off as, in a word: ridiculous.

Nonetheless, I had a good laugh.

I thought he was channeling William F. Buckley or maybe Spiro Agnew.
 
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I thought he was channeling William F. Buckley or maybe Spiro Agnew.

Yes. He mentioned something about those "nattering nabobs of negativism"!

(I wouldn't really channel the redoubtable Spiro, but WFB would be worthy of my time. Such command of the King's English!)
 
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Mindless rambling? I thought it was rather articulate, save for the few spelling errors.
Especially the mention of the hypocritical indignation directed at our guys.
Great post. :rocker:

Well, thanks! The hour was late (for me!) and I was literally nodding off as I was finishing that off. In fact, after I posted it, I turned in.

But I'm glad you and several others enjoyed it.

Again, my thanks for the compliment.
 
I don't think I understand, but it's well written.

My view is that it's ok to be pissed about what Belichick did. I am.

The outrageous reaction and media crusade, not to mention the hypocritical sanctimony, were worse and deeply troubling.

But these are not the same thing. It's easy to conflate them. I think most have. I think most have so much so that they think point 2 excuses or makes irrelevant point 1. Not to me. One thing is one, and the other is the other, although there is some blurring on the hypocricy point. But point 1 is still point 1, and it needed to be addressed by BB and Kraft, and so I applaud them for doing it. I doubly applaud them for doing it at a time when it was clear it was sincere -- they had nothing to gain by doing it now. They've already taken the full measure of the hit on this, and then some. (See point number 2.) That they've done it in this way is a reflection of their sincerity.

No, I agree. Point 1 is point 1, and point 2 is point 2. We have to get that straight. East is east, and West is west....

For sure, Coach botched it with the original sin (!), but from that moment, like Topsy, this thing simply grew and grew, 'til it was no longer recognizable in it's original form.

There are a lot of people in this scenario that we can be angry about, and our Coach is one of them. But as he, and the original act, become smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror, the ever-burgeoning legions of critics, "analysts", haters and other assorted hangers-on have been obscuring this since maybe week 2 of the phenomenon. This has been very frustrating, at least from my point of view.

In another time, it simply wouldn't have gone down like this, if indeed anything became of it. But that's neither here nor there. Goodell is now a permanent part of the landscape, and his actions/reactions are the reality we must deal with. And although we had some inkling of the man's thought processes by his prior addressing of league "problems", you must admit the the sledgehammer response to it caught most everyone by surprise.

For the record, I'm glad they did the apology thing at the owners' meetings, in that it should clear the air and defuse, hopefully, any linger hard feelings.

Except for the Jets and their soon-to-be-unemployed coach. Let's piss on them as much as we can!
 
So, PFT reported a standing ovation after BB and Robert Kraft's apologiez. Gary Myers, on the other hand...

When they were done, there was some applause.

"A smattering," one owner said.


It's pretty funny. What else can you say?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...robert_kraft_apologizes_for_spygate_bill.html

Myers touched on that again today:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...hael_vick_playing_prison_football.html?page=0

Some accounts made it seem like Pats owner Robert Kraft got a standing ovation from owners and head coaches Tuesday after apologizing for his coach cheating in SpyGate and the damage it had done to the league. My spies told me it was light applause by some. Well, at least they didn’t boo, which indicates the respect they have for Kraft. Bill Belichick is not held in the same regard.

However, let me remind you of Myers:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=80366
 
1.) Goodell brought this upon them. This is beyond question. He is the only one who could have, because he was the only one with the power to do so.

2.) Of course it was Goodell's 'fault'. He overreacted and everything that has happened since has been a rational and easily foreseen result of his stupidity (other than Spector's nonsense).

3.) I agree that thinking the penalty should be revoked at this point is just foolish. The team should have appealed the moment that asinine ruling was handed down. By not doing so, the Patriots accepted the punishment. The team was just about as idiotic as could be with regards to how this was handled. Whoever recommended the strategy they used should be flogged on a daily basis. It just goes to show that even the best people sometimes make monumentally stupid decisions.

It is a rare occasion when I call someone else a "homer," but I think this time might be right.
 
Ah, you said "homer" not... Never mind. My bad.
 
It is a rare occasion when I call someone else a "homer," but I think this time might be right.

Irony so thick it can be cut with a knife....
 

Yeah, but I didn't feel like re-bringing it up here...we are pretty sure he is a tool.

However (and I am also the one that posted this in his feedback section), at least Myers has a place to reply, and has an e-mail address. That ****y Mike Lupica has neither. Fu(k Lupica and his wannabe Keith Olbermann/political commentator *****.
 
Is it only me that gets flashbacks to that scene in The Godfather where Tattaglia and Corleone embrace and Barzini leads the applause?
 
Oh, I know. But I can't go this far on this one.

How so?

1.) Only Goodell could have made the ruling. Therefore, only he could have brought this down upon the Patriots. That's just basic stuff. The Jets brought attention to the matter by detaining the guy and trying to take the camera, but only Goodell had the power to act upon it.

2.) As a lesser subsequent punishment for a greater offense (tampering with a player) shows, as well as a comparison to previous punishments for more serious issues (salary cap violations by a Super Bowl winner), the loss of a first round pick and accompanying double fine was far out of line with the general punishment parameters used by both previous and present commissioners.

3.) I have no idea how on earth that's supposed to be a homer outlook given that I'm opposing how the team went about doing things.
 
Yeah, but I didn't feel like re-bringing it up here...we are pretty sure he is a tool.

However (and I am also the one that posted this in his feedback section), at least Myers has a place to reply, and has an e-mail address. That ****y Mike Lupica has neither. Fu(k Lupica and his wannabe Keith Olbermann/political commentator *****.

I just love the unnamed sources that appear out of no where - by NY Daily News writers all the time.

We will just keep on beating the Jets and laughing as we do.

Screw you both... Myers & Lupica,
 
Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

Not to nit-pick, but wasn't that Mark Twain?

I don't know who first said it, but the saying is;

"It is better to remain silent & be thought a fool than to open one's mouth & remove all doubt".

It's actually one of my favorites ever since one of my bosses said it to me about 20 years ago.
 
They were guilty of breaking a rule. You can't discount that.

I believe you can when the remaining teams act pompous & ridicule you for something your own team was probably guilty of as well. They absolutely without a doubt did NOT owe the owners an apology. I would bet millions (if I had millions) that it was a PR move and nothing more.

I have said this since the incident first became public and I've said it many, many times since...AND, I'll say it again...

Videogate just wasn't a big deal, end of story. Only jealousy, envy & haterism have given us the illusion that it was. That plus Goodell's over-the-top punishment. Just ask Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels and several others in the know how bad it was and you'll find they agree with me.
 
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I believe you can when the remaining teams act pompous & ridicule you for something your own team was probably guilty of as well. They absolutely without a doubt did NOT owe the owners an apology. I would bet millions (if I had millions) that it was a PR move and nothing more.

I have said this since the incident first became public and I've said it many, many times since...AND, I'll say it again...

Videogate just wasn't a big deal, end of story. Only jealousy, envy & haterism have given us the illusion that it was. That plus Goodell's over-the-top punishment. Just ask Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels and several others in the know how bad it was and you'll find they agree with me.

I don't think it was a big deal, either. But completely exonerating the Patriots seems a bit ridiculous.
 
However (and I am also the one that posted this in his feedback section), at least Myers has a place to reply, and has an e-mail address. That ****y Mike Lupica has neither. Fu(k Lupica and his wannabe Keith Olbermann/political commentator *****.

I heard Lupica's rant at the end of The Sports Reporters on Sunday.

To paraphrase, he said that as much as the Pats want Cameragate to go away, it isn't going to go away. What he failed to say, however, is that the only reason that Cameragate doesn't go away is because ignorant, NYC-loving holier-than-thou shills like Lupica keep talking about it, even though there is nothing new about which to talk.

He also called the Pats "cheaters", twice, in the same sentence, as in: he doesn't know if they are short-term cheaters or long-term cheaters. Thus far, there has been no proof offered that any videotaping that may have occurred had any direct influence in any Pats victory in the BB era. Heck, nobody has even said that the information gathered via videotaping is competitively more advantageous than the same information gathered via other means.

From Wikipedia:
"Lupica described his fundamental approach to sportswriting in a press release:
'My whole deal on sports is that I still go to the ballpark to celebrate sports, but Bill Belichick and Barry Bonds and guys like that keep getting in my way.'[6] ”

I can only speak for myself, but when I go to the ballpark/stadium, I dont go there to "celebrate" sports like some limp-wrist; I go there to see my team win. And people like Bonds (e.g.: McGwire, Sosa) obviously didn't get in the way of writing about the 1998 season, and making a profit therefrom. What a massive, disgusting hypocrite.

For someone raised in NH and a graduate of BC, Lupica has completely been swallowed into the black hole that is New Jack City, the armpit of America. I swear, these people really believe that they're "the conscience of their generation".
 
I heard Lupica's rant at the end of The Sports Reporters on Sunday.

To paraphrase, he said that as much as the Pats want Cameragate to go away, it isn't going to go away. What he failed to say, however, is that the only reason that Cameragate doesn't go away is because ignorant, NYC-loving holier-than-thou shills like Lupica keep talking about it, even though there is nothing new about which to talk.

He also called the Pats "cheaters", twice, in the same sentence, as in: he doesn't know if they are short-term cheaters or long-term cheaters. Thus far, there has been no proof offered that any videotaping that may have occurred had any direct influence in any Pats victory in the BB era. Heck, nobody has even said that the information gathered via videotaping is competitively more advantageous than the same information gathered via other means.

For someone raised in NH and a graduate of BC, Lupica has completely been swallowed into the black hole that is New Jack City, the armpit of America. I swear, these people really believe that they're "the conscience of their generation".
Glad I wasn't the only one rooting to see Ryan leap over Saunders and drill Lupica in his self righteous, smarmy mug. What a complete and total douchebag, of epic proportions.
 
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