Junior Seau

[wpdougie2180]

I don't know if he will be back but he was here in Tuesday Night here in Nashville and we took pictures with him so ytake that for what it's worth

 

[DFWChargerFan]

Let see aside from the play you mention which was a key playoff goal line stop. Maybe the biggest defensive play all year. He had 3 pics and 3.5 sacks, thats 6 1/2 plays right there.

Just because you want to spew some crap about getting younger and faster doesn't mean you have to dog JR. JR was a key contibutor last year and will be agian this if he so choses.

Agreed. He doesn't stop M. Turner on the play and the outcome of the game could have been VERY different. Seau may be getting old, but he's a smart player and provides veteran leadership. Furthermore, I think you would be hard pressed to name any player that plays with more passion than Seau.

I would love to have him finish his career with one more year in San Diego, however, completely unlikely. If he plays another year, it will be with the Pats.

 

[Kontradiction]

Let see aside from the play you mention which was a key playoff goal line stop. Maybe the biggest defensive play all year. He had 3 pics and 3.5 sacks, thats 6 1/2 plays right there.

Just because you want to spew some crap about getting younger and faster doesn't mean you have to dog JR. JR was a key contibutor last year and will be agian this if he so choses.

So you would be inclined to disagree that a younger, faster defense could produce better results against such top tier quarterbacks such as Kyle Boller, A.J. Feeley, and Eli Manning (all of which burned our defense). I'm not really dogging Seau. I've said already that I love the guy which leads me to believe (other than your other posts around this forum) that you're just searching for an argument. What I'm saying is that he's the oldest part of a VERY OLD defense. If he wants to stay on, fine. Just as long as he's not in on every down and he tutors our younger LBs. And if you say that our defense wasn't mediocre last year, you're kidding yourself.

 

[ScottieC]

So you would be inclined to disagree that a younger, faster defense could produce better results against such top tier quarterbacks such as Kyle Boller, A.J. Feeley, and Eli Manning (all of which burned our defense). I'm not really dogging Seau. I've said already that I love the guy which leads me to believe (other than your other posts around this forum) that you're just searching for an argument. What I'm saying is that he's the oldest part of a VERY OLD defense. If he wants to stay on, fine. Just as long as he's not in on every down and he tutors our younger LBs. And if you say that our defense wasn't mediocre last year, you're kidding yourself.

To be fair, you did say that Jr was "Broke down and Slow". Expect to get some heated reaction from comments like that, Jr's well liked in these parts - and I know...you did say you like him too.

 

[Kontradiction]

He is slow and his body is broken down. Is signbabybrady going to try to argue with me that Seau is lightning quick and not prone to injuries?

 

[SEA_Pat]

He is slow and his body is broken down. Is signbabybrady going to try to argue with me that Seau is lightning quick and not prone to injuries?

No way. Junior Seau is a stone cold hardcore football player. Just like Rodney Harrison. The only way he comes off the football field when it matters is if he is carried or ordered off. How much do I love that he plays for the Patriots? How could the Chargers let them go in favour of getting "younger and faster"? How'd that work out for them?

 

[Kontradiction]

No way. Junior Seau is a stone cold hardcore football player. Just like Rodney Harrison. The only way he comes off the football field when it matters is if he is carried or ordered off. How much do I love that he plays for the Patriots? How could the Chargers let them go in favour of getting "younger and faster"? How'd that work out for them?

Well let's see... everytime we play, they pick Brady off at least 2-3 times. Keep in mind, this is a QB known for pinpoint accuracy. Really, if it had not been for a gimpy QB and star RB, they had every right to beat us in the AFC Championship. And believe me, nobody hates the Chargers more that I do.

EDIT: Oh and I seem to remember Seau missing most of the 2006 season and he played hurt last year. Once again, love the guy. But he has lost a step and his body is breaking down. You're telling me you'd rather have Seau in than Vernon Gholston? Who are you kidding?

 

[jeffbiologist]

Jr had his role last year but was asked to step up when someone else got hurt...He did.
When you ask for 5 plays he made....name 5 plays Warren made, Wilfork, Harrison, Sanders, and realize all those guys were FULL TIME players.
I think BB has given Jr "carte blanche". He doesnt have to come in for camp, he can be on the pup list if he even signs ....The first time a guy goes down onto IR Jr comes marching back....kinda like Troy and Vinny last year. He has NOTHING left to prove, we wont even ask him to mentor a rookie. We want to know that he is going to be there in January when we need him...and he wants a ring. Pretty even deal.

 

[stinkypete]

Last year, Seau did not officially announce his return until just before camp broke. I expect the same thing this year. Seau want's a ring, and I see no way a guy of his competitive fire quits after the way 2007 ended. If Seau were to retire, ho would have announced already.

For those who argue that the Pats need to get younger, it's not a question about younger or older, it's a question of how Belichick can best fill 53 spots. Seau's prospective return will not affect the team's draft day strategy, one way or another. If you seriously think the team is better off without Seau in 2008, you better also have some big time faith in Pierre Woods or Eric Alexander, because those are the only other options right now.

 

[signbabybrady]

So you would be inclined to disagree that a younger, faster defense could produce better results against such top tier quarterbacks such as Kyle Boller, A.J. Feeley, and Eli Manning (all of which burned our defense). I'm not really dogging Seau. I've said already that I love the guy which leads me to believe (other than your other posts around this forum) that you're just searching for an argument. What I'm saying is that he's the oldest part of a VERY OLD defense. If he wants to stay on, fine. Just as long as he's not in on every down and he tutors our younger LBs. And if you say that our defense wasn't mediocre last year, you're kidding yourself.

You can be as young and fast as you want if you cant play football it is no good. I am saying that I want good football players regardless of age. Are you telling me that Piere Woods is better just because he is younger and faster? Are you telling me that Seau wouldnt be the fourth best LB on this team if he signed tommorow?

Like I said before I want talent, unless we draft 4 LB with our picks in rd 1-3 than I think there is room for both a young fast LB and Seau.

 

[signbabybrady]

Well let's see... everytime we play, they pick Brady off at least 2-3 times. Keep in mind, this is a QB known for pinpoint accuracy. Really, if it had not been for a gimpy QB and star RB, they had every right to beat us in the AFC Championship. And believe me, nobody hates the Chargers more that I do.

EDIT: Oh and I seem to remember Seau missing most of the 2006 season and he played hurt last year. Once again, love the guy. But he has lost a step and his body is breaking down. You're telling me you'd rather have Seau in than Vernon Gholston? Who are you kidding?

Damn, on the chargers nuts a little.

I think the chargers are a good example for this argument, all the young fast talent they have left them short vs us a few years in row. There is alot to be said about veterans especially guys as Good as Seau and the other so called old guys.

 

[dhamz]

I don't see why everyone thinks Seau or Bruschi coming back means they can't add more pieces at LB. Those guys returning and drafting a LB or 2 are not mutually exclusive. Why would you not want to see both? I don't want to see Seau or Bruschi as every down LBs but both can have situatuional value.

Youth and speed would be great but Eric Alexander and Pierre Woods have those and neither has shown anything on defense. I want to see quality players on defense next year - lack of quality depth has been a problem each of the last 2 years when we have lost a starting LB for the year. Seau comes dirt cheap and frankly I can see no issue with him being one of the 9, 10 or so LBs that the Pats typically keep.

 

[AVrabel50Fan]

I hope Junior comes back, I really like him!!

 

[SEA_Pat]

Well let's see... everytime we play, they pick Brady off at least 2-3 times. Keep in mind, this is a QB known for pinpoint accuracy. Really, if it had not been for a gimpy QB and star RB, they had every right to beat us in the AFC Championship. And believe me, nobody hates the Chargers more that I do.

EDIT: Oh and I seem to remember Seau missing most of the 2006 season and he played hurt last year. Once again, love the guy. But he has lost a step and his body is breaking down. You're telling me you'd rather have Seau in than Vernon Gholston? Who are you kidding?

The Chargers have built a very good and fast defense. But I reckon having some veteran leadership and experience mixed in with the youth and speed would have pushed them over the top and allowed them to win some of those games that they lost to the Patriots.

As for Junior, he's continued to make big plays and is the kind of run-stuffing linebacker you need during early downs. At this point in his career is a great complementary player who brings a lot of fire and intensity to the team. I don't know much about Gholston, but I know that any young linebacker would gain a lot from being around Junior. Who says you have to have one or the other?

 

[castlelong1]

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EDIT: Oh and I seem to remember Seau missing most of the 2006 season and he played hurt last year. Once again, love the guy. But he has lost a step and his body is breaking down. You're telling me you'd rather have Seau in than Vernon Gholston? Who are you kidding?

Yellow flags fly, ref trots on camera and turns on his mike.

"Posing a false choice. 5 yards. Repeat second down."

Sorry, but Seau and Gholston is an option. Pretending it is Seau or Gholston is disingenuous.

 

[castlelong1]

I don't see why everyone thinks Seau or Bruschi coming back means they can't add more pieces at LB. Those guys returning and drafting a LB or 2 are not mutually exclusive. Why would you not want to see both? I don't want to see Seau or Bruschi as every down LBs but both can have situatuional value.

Youth and speed would be great but Eric Alexander and Pierre Woods have those and neither has shown anything on defense. I want to see quality players on defense next year - lack of quality depth has been a problem each of the last 2 years when we have lost a starting LB for the year. Seau comes dirt cheap and frankly I can see no issue with him being one of the 9, 10 or so LBs that the Pats typically keep.

Bingo. Only took, what, 32 posts!

 

[Kontradiction]

Damn, on the chargers nuts a little.

I think the chargers are a good example for this argument, all the young fast talent they have left them short vs us a few years in row. There is alot to be said about veterans especially guys as Good as Seau and the other so called old guys.

Maybe you didn't notice, but the Chargers didn't lose that game because of their defense. They lost the game because their QB blew his ACL, L.T. didn't even play, and Gates was on one leg. Those are the three main weapons of their offense. Their defense meanwhile picked off Tom three times. The reason we won was because of LoMo's legs. You can't really be this inept. Oh and nice desperation shot. You haven't answered one of my points in this argument so now you're taking pot shots. Perhaps you should just leave the thread and never come back...

 

[signbabybrady]

Maybe you didn't notice, but the Chargers didn't lose that game because of their defense. They lost the game because their QB blew his ACL, L.T. didn't even play, and Gates was on one leg. Those are the three main weapons of their offense. Their defense meanwhile picked off Tom three times. The reason we won was because of LoMo's legs. You can't really be this inept. Oh and nice desperation shot. You haven't answered one of my points in this argument so now you're taking pot shots. Perhaps you should just leave the thread and never come back...

Dude you really are an ass if you don't think seau can help this team next year. Look at what he has done while here. At 39 his body is no more or less able than at 37 sure he is not what he was at 27 but he proved to still be very good and makes up for loss of speed with veteran savy.

 

[PatsFan24]

I hope he comes back, I think he will.

 

[Kontradiction]

Dude you really are an ass if you don't think seau can help this team next year. Look at what he has done while here. At 39 his body is no more or less able than at 37 sure he is not what he was at 27 but he proved to still be very good and makes up for loss of speed with veteran savy.

Nice rebuttal. :bricks: