Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Why? Why would that offend? Wasn't that a character issue that had his draft stock drop?

I was merely making the point that Meriweather is clearly not a bad guy, because he has come to New England and been nothing but a model citizen ever since.

Do people have a problem with the truth? I read up on it, he shot at someone, ok...so what?

 

[ALP]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Why? Why would that offend? Wasn't that a character issue that had his draft stock drop?

I was merely making the point that Meriweather is clearly not a bad guy, because he has come to New England and been nothing but a model citizen ever since.

Do people have a problem with the truth? I read up on it, he shot at someone, ok...so what?

i personally know a coach who was meriweather's coach when meriweather was in school (not college)

he said the guy is a good guy....so no character flaws with meriweather, his firing a gun was in complete allowence of a self defense act

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

I heard Pacman is on the final year of his contract which only pays him something like 1.2 million for the 2008 season.

The Cowboys are rumored to be offering a 5th or 6th round pick.

If we offered our 4th round pick for Pacman, we would probably get him.
There is a good chance the player we draft in the 4th round will not
make the team. Last year we drafted Kareem Brown in the 4th round with
the 127th pick. He did not last long.

Pacman knows that if the commish allows him to play in 2008, he is going
to have a short leash. He also knows that if he has a good 2008, with no
outside trouble, he will probably score in the free agent market in 2009.

If we do lose Pacman after one season and he gets a good contract,
we will get a decent comp pick (probably equal to the 4th we gave up).

I feel the reward vs the risk is worth rolling the dice.

Jones is signed through the 2009 season. Also, he may OWE the league a year because of his suspension, but I don't know how that works.

Regardless, if the Pats were to trade for him, they aren't responsible for his signing bonus anyways. That stays the responsibility of the Titans.

 

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

i personally know a coach who was meriweather's coach when meriweather was in school (not college)

he said the guy is a good guy....so no character flaws with meriweather, his firing a gun was in complete allowence of a self defense act

I don't have a problem with that, or disbelieve it. All I said was that the people saying Pacman is a cancer might be wrong, because everyone has something in their past that makes them look bad.

 

[PATRIOT64]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Pacman says he will only come to Foxboro if the Pats put a dancing pole in the center of the locker room and he wants a contract to have Vince Wilfork do a pole dance in a tutu after every home game or hes not interested in becoming a Patriot,Thats a tough requirement if you ask me,not only for the team to install a pole but to get Wilfork in a tutu may be tougher to do ....

 

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

So I guess it boils down to whether the risk of Pacman smacking strippers is worth the potential outcome of his performance.

Spend a 4th round pick on a proven player who is an off field menace, or spend a 1st or 2nd rounder on a guy with no experience at all?

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Putting the character debate aside, does everybody on here really think he's that good???????? as a return man, he's incredible, but as a corner, not so much. He's above average from what I've seen of him. He has alot of potential, but he hasnt shown that he's better than what we have now. So why take a risk? Personally, I would hate to see him in a pats uniform. I also dont get where all the comparisons to dillon, moss, and merriweather are coming from. Pacman has stated several times that if he had to choose between his (gun toting thug) friends, and the nfl, he'd choose his friends C'mon, the guys a head case. Moss, and merriweather were nothing this kid. We are not that desperate for c.b. help that we need to stoop this low.

 

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Putting the character debate aside, does everybody on here really think he's that good???????? as a return man, he's incredible, but as a corner, not so much. He's above average from what I've seen of him. He has alot of potential, but he hasnt shown that he's better than what we have now. So why take a risk? Personally, I would hate to see him in a pats uniform. I also dont get where all the comparisons to dillon, moss, and merriweather are coming from. Pacman has stated several times that if he had to choose between his (gun toting thug) friends, and the nfl, he'd choose his friends C'mon, the guys a head case. Moss, and merriweather were nothing this kid. We are not that desperate for c.b. help that we need to stoop this low.

Ok, first thing, you said put the character issues aside and then brought them up. No one doubts the man has character problems, but perhaps they are in the past.

Character issues aside, I think the point here is that Pacman most likely will be traded for a 4th round pick and how you could think he isn't worth that is beyond me. The fact is, yes the Pats have signed a few guys so depth at the CB position isn't the worst, but they lack a shutdown corner, or anything close to it. Fernando Bryant certainly isn't a replacement for Samuel unless you think 7 career interceptions and 54 career passes defended in 9 seasons are All-Pro type numbers. You're probably not going to get a better season out of a rookie 1st rounder, so why not trade a 4th rounder? If you truly put character issues aside, this trade is a no brainer. If character issues do factor in, then you really need to think about it. If anyone can turn him around it is BB and wouldn't that be a nice little story we could all chat about.

Make the trade.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

I heard Pacman is on the final year of his contract which only pays him something like 1.2 million for the 2008 season.

The Cowboys are rumored to be offering a 5th or 6th round pick.

If we offered our 4th round pick for Pacman, we would probably get him.
There is a good chance the player we draft in the 4th round will not
make the team. Last year we drafted Kareem Brown in the 4th round with
the 127th pick. He did not last long.

Pacman knows that if the commish allows him to play in 2008, he is going
to have a short leash. He also knows that if he has a good 2008, with no
outside trouble, he will probably score in the free agent market in 2009.

If we do lose Pacman after one season and he gets a good contract,
we will get a decent comp pick (probably equal to the 4th we gave up).

I feel the reward vs the risk is worth rolling the dice.

I respectfully, but completely disagree! He can not be "fixed". He will, absolutely do something again, and be out of the league. We'd be wasting a 4th round pick.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Ok, first thing, you said put the character issues aside and then brought them up. No one doubts the man has character problems, but perhaps they are in the past.

Character issues aside, I think the point here is that Pacman most likely will be traded for a 4th round pick and how you could think he isn't worth that is beyond me. The fact is, yes the Pats have signed a few guys so depth at the CB position isn't the worst, but they lack a shutdown corner, or anything close to it. Fernando Bryant certainly isn't a replacement for Samuel unless you think 7 career interceptions and 54 career passes defended in 9 seasons are All-Pro type numbers. You're probably not going to get a better season out of a rookie 1st rounder, so why not trade a 4th rounder? If you truly put character issues aside, this trade is a no brainer. If character issues do factor in, then you really need to think about it. If anyone can turn him around it is BB and wouldn't that be a nice little story we could all chat about.

Make the trade.

i meant to say "put the character issue aside" FOR A MOMENT. you cant put it aside throughout the whole post, because one of the issues with pacman, is his character.
Now, I'm waiting for you to answer my question? What is it he has done (other than returning kicks) that makes you think he's worth a 4th, or 3rd, or whatever? Remember, he'll be taking a roster spot from someone. someone who may contribute on special teams, and someone who probably wont be in a strip bar. Anyway, before you shoot down my opinion, how about you explain why you think pacman is such a great corner. Im open minded, make me a believer.

 

[patsgo]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

I will gladly pick him up at the airport, carry his bags and buy him dinner, before heading to Foxboro.

just dont swing by the foxy lady

 

[Fencer]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Kraft's one rule that overrides football considerations is "no thugs".

If that doesn't rule out Pacman, why did he even bother saying it?

 

[Fixit]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

I don't have a problem with that, or disbelieve it. All I said was that the people saying Pacman is a cancer might be wrong, because everyone has something in their past that makes them look bad.

I'm relatively certain that I never led, either directly or indirectly, to a dude getting shot and paralyzed.

Jones is a brainless scumbag and, talent or not, I'd be extremely disappointed if the Pats made a play for him.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Didn't Meriweather shoot someone? I think he had a registered weapon and someone else shot first but man...you gotta give people a chance.

Either you are as poorly read as anyone could be on this board or I am
reading this wrong due to your inability to put together a coherent sentence.

Either way, you are wrong. Meriweather, with his legally owned gun, defended
his life and the life of his friend when people started shooting at his friend while
Meriweather was with him.

"On July 21, 2006 Meriweather was involved in a shooting incident when
teammate Willie Cooper was shot in the buttocks. Meriweather returned fire
and shot at the unidentified shooter three times. Meriweather was not
charged with a crime due to the fact that his gun was owned legally."

I cannot fathom how you could possibly suggest that the people who began
the shooting deserve another 'chance' as you so eloquently put it. If you are
suggesting it is Meriweather deserves another chance I fail to see what he
did wrong in the first place. Are you suggesting it is wrong to defend yourself
and your friend from outlaws trying their damnedest to kill you? He never
shot someone, he did shoot at someone. If you are suggesting that he not
use his legally owned gun for defensive purposes, then why would he carry it?
To impress his friends? Logical thought is missing from your response big time.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Didn't Meriweather shoot someone?

Sure, but who hasn't?

 

[patchick]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

I cannot fathom how you could possibly suggest that the people who began the shooting deserve another 'chance' as you so eloquently put it. If you are suggesting it is Meriweather deserves another chance I fail to see what he did wrong in the first place.

It seemed very clear that the "give another chance" in his post referred to players with "character questions" in general, not to the people who began the shooting. And in Meriweather's case, the big character question mark was actually the on-field stomping incident. But he did have a ton of good references in the other direction, too.

As for Pacman, he doesn't just have a question mark. He has a very consistent, repeated history of poor judgment and bad behavior and shows no signs of recognizing that, e.g., he should stay away from late-night strip clubs permanently and put football first. No thanks.

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Either you are as poorly read as anyone could be on this board or I am
reading this wrong due to your inability to put together a coherent sentence.

Either way, you are wrong. Meriweather, with his legally owned gun, defended
his life and the life of his friend when people started shooting at his friend while
Meriweather was with him.

"On July 21, 2006 Meriweather was involved in a shooting incident when
teammate Willie Cooper was shot in the buttocks. Meriweather returned fire
and shot at the unidentified shooter three times. Meriweather was not
charged with a crime due to the fact that his gun was owned legally."

I cannot fathom how you could possibly suggest that the people who began
the shooting deserve another 'chance' as you so eloquently put it. If you are
suggesting it is Meriweather deserves another chance I fail to see what he
did wrong in the first place. Are you suggesting it is wrong to defend yourself
and your friend from outlaws trying their damnedest to kill you? He never
shot someone, he did shoot at someone. If you are suggesting that he not
use his legally owned gun for defensive purposes, then why would he carry it?
To impress his friends? Logical thought is missing from your response big time.

I also recall hearing that the three shots he fired were up in the air. He was trying to scare them off. If true he didn't even fire back at guys shooting at him he just tried to make them think he was.

To bring Merriweather into this discussion was foolish.

 

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Damn, I didn't think I was going to set some of you off.

All I was trying to say was that there a lot of guys with character issues. I don't think Meriweather is anywhere near Pacman, but I was just pointing out that in the past the Pats have signed guys when people were saying they were a "cancer" or had character issues. I COMPLETELY AGREE that what Meriweather did was not wrong, but when he was drafted everyone was talking about his character issues. I think you really took my statement the wrong way.

Either you are as poorly read as anyone could be on this board or I am
reading this wrong due to your inability to put together a coherent sentence.

Could you please post some sort of reference to things that will piss you off for no reason so that I'm sure not to make a statement that could be twisted into something completely different than what I said? Thanks, I appreciate it. I really wouldn't want to be insulted again, because you just hurt my feelings so badly by calling me stupid rather than just telling me I was wrong. You truly are a forum badass.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

Damn, I didn't think I was going to set some of you off.

All I was trying to say was that there a lot of guys with character issues. I don't think Meriweather is anywhere near Pacman, but I was just pointing out that in the past the Pats have signed guys when people were saying they were a "cancer" of sorts.



Could you please post some sort of reference to things that will piss you off for no reason so that I'm sure not to make a statement that could be twisted into something completely different than what I said? Thanks, I appreciate it.

If Jones becomes a Patriot, keeps his nose clean and becomes a good player for the team, many of the people berating you now will be saying things like "Jones is a good guy. Sure he likes strippers, but..."

 

[The Great Fork]

Re: Why I now want the Pats to trade for Pacman Jones.

If Jones becomes a Patriot, keeps his nose clean and becomes a good player for the team, many of the people berating you now will be saying things like "Jones is a good guy. Sure he likes strippers, but..."

Everytime I read one of your posts I get a good laugh out of it.

And you're right. But I'm new, so I expect that people would come down on me in this way.

After all, being new to this board means I haven't been a fan very long, right?