Alert: NFLdraftscout.com detailed combine numbers are out

[PonyExpress]

A wealth of information.

 

[sebman2112]

A wealth of information.

I was just looking at that. Did you see Jon Goff's 10 split? 1.53. That's the same 10 split Patrick Willis and David Harris posted last year....

Here's where Goff's combine numbers rank compared to all other ILB's who've performed there from 2000-2008 (very large sample size):

10 yards: 1.53 - 3rd (tied with Willis and Harris)
20 yards: 2.64 - 6th
40 yards: 4.63 - 15th
Three Cone: 6.86 - 8th
Short Shuttle: 4.26 - outside the top 25, but faster than both Willis and Harris
Bench: 28 reps - 11th
Broad Jump: 9'10" - 14th

 

[PonyExpress]

Look at Kenny Philips numbers. Much better than listed elsewhere. A 4.48 40 as opposed to 4.55. That's a big difference at 212 lbs.

 

[DaBruinz]

I know that I scoffed at the idea of taking Goff in the 2nd round before, but he's looking better and better there.

 

[PonyExpress]

Chevis Jackson is more athletic than people realize. His agility is good, he has an above average vertical. Only his straight line 40 isn't elite, and tracking past drafts suggest that the 40 isn't a reliable forecaster of NFL success for cb prospects. Just eyeballing it I'm liking Chevis even more than before, especially considering his football IQ and leadership ability.

 

[sebman2112]

Chevis Jackson is more athletic than people realize. His agility is good, he has an above average vertical. Only his straight line 40 isn't elite, and tracking past drafts suggest that the 40 isn't a reliable forecaster of NFL success for cb prospects. Just eyeballing it I'm liking Chevis even more than before, especially considering his football IQ and leadership ability.

Yea, I've liked Chevis for some time now, and I believe the Patriots are going to target him in the third round. I wouldn't be surprised if he develops into a very good CB, especially in NE's system.

Edit: they might even think about selecting him with that late second, depending on how much they actually like him, and how well he interviewed.

 

[PonyExpress]

What's the value of the broad jump vs the vertical? IMO the vertical seems like a more reliable indicator of true lower body explosion. I honestly don't pay much attention to the broad jump, as it seems more random, often a function of leg length more than power.

 

[dryheat44]

This is like Christmas morning. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[patchick]

Holy smokes, those numbers for Goff are tremendous! The quickness numbers in particular would put him in elite company as a safety, let alone as a 245-lb run-stuffing ILB. For a guy with his intelligence and intangibles...wow.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Holy smokes, those numbers for Goff are tremendous! The quickness numbers in particular would put him in elite company as a safety, let alone as a 245-lb run-stuffing ILB. For a guy with his intelligence and intangibles...wow.

Not only that, but I think Goff is going to interview really well with clubs.

Over drafting Goff in the second might be similar to drafting Mankins in the first, a couple of years ago, because I can't imagine Goff getting past Miami or the Jets at the top of the third round.

 

[dryheat44]

Three that I noticed immediately were the Auburn corners Lee and Wilhite, whom I really liked anyway, and Josh Barrett, on whom I was noncommittal.

I'm liking Patrick Lee more and more to play corner for this team. If he's there at #69 I'm on board.

 

[SamBamsFan]

What's the value of the broad jump vs the vertical? IMO the vertical seems like a more reliable indicator of true lower body explosion. I honestly don't pay much attention to the broad jump, as it seems more random, often a function of leg length more than power.

Vertical is more of a judge on quick twitch athleticism, vs long jump showing strength/ explosiveness (*big* for lineman).

 

[patchick]

Chevis Jackson is more athletic than people realize. His agility is good, he has an above average vertical. Only his straight line 40 isn't elite, and tracking past drafts suggest that the 40 isn't a reliable forecaster of NFL success for cb prospects. Just eyeballing it I'm liking Chevis even more than before, especially considering his football IQ and leadership ability.

I'm liking Patrick Lee more and more to play corner for this team. If he's there at #69 I'm on board.

Boy does this year ever feel different from 2007, when Darrelle Revis was the only CB I really liked. Good time to be in the market for a corner.

 

[dryheat44]

Boy does this year ever feel different from 2007, when Darrelle Revis was the only CB I really liked. Good time to be in the market for a corner.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's by design. If this CB talent was in the draft last year, I doubt Belichick would have bent on Asante....We may have franchised Graham instead.

 

[patchick]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's by design. If this CB talent was in the draft last year, I doubt Belichick would have bent on Asante....We may have franchised Graham instead.

No question, the slim pickings in the draft made Asante much more indispensable last season. But I still don't think they would have franchised Graham.

 

[everlong]

I was just looking at that. Did you see Jon Goff's 10 split? 1.53. That's the same 10 split Patrick Willis and David Harris posted last year....

Here's where Goff's combine numbers rank compared to all other ILB's who've performed there from 2000-2008 (very large sample size):

10 yards: 1.53 - 3rd (tied with Willis and Harris)
20 yards: 2.64 - 6th
40 yards: 4.63 - 15th
Three Cone: 6.86 - 8th
Short Shuttle: 4.26 - outside the top 25, but faster than both Willis and Harris
Bench: 28 reps - 11th
Broad Jump: 9'10" - 14th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV2DBTEP4kw

Pretty solid film clip here against top competition. He seems to have a great motor, good burst, takes good angles, special teams............

 

[sebman2112]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV2DBTEP4kw

Pretty solid film clip here against top competition. He seems to have a great motor, good burst, takes good angles, special teams............

That's alright, but the one I'm putting together has those plays and plays from 2005 & 2007. Some of the plays I'm adding are better "highlights", too. I would have posted it Wednesday or Thursday, but I had to author some DVD's, and didn't have the time.

 

[reflexblue]

I just wish we had drafted Harris last year,he would have been a perfect fit. I think Meriweather will turn out to be a very good DB. Then we wouldn't have to be comparing a LB this year to Harrises stats. from last year.

 

[sebman2112]

I just wish we had drafted Harris last year,he would have been a perfect fit. I think Meriweather will turn out to be a very good DB. Then we wouldn't have to be comparing a LB this year to Harrises stats. from last year.

They could have drafted both Meriweather and Harris, if they had wanted.

They wouldn't have a first round pick this year though...

 

[BelichickFan]

With the deep group of CB I expect to see one or both of our #2 and Oakland #3 going to CB; if we can get this Carolina LB for our #5 that frees up the #7 overall for a LB like Gholston or Groves, a BPA if they love an OL or DL or a trade down.

At DB I'm expecting something like Hobbs, Sanders, Webster, Richardson and two draftees with Hobbs the only lock. Our starting CB would be weaker with no Samuel but we should have stronger depth. A re-signing of Law would put more competition into that but my gut feeling says we go with younger legs.