Comp Picks...thanks to ADAMJT13 ...

[patsfaninpa]

He posted them on NFL Draft Countdown. Here's a link to thread. Not good news this year. No picks. BUt, looking good for next year. A 3 and a 5 for Asante and Gay in 09 looks to be in the cards.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19143

 

[VJCPatriot]

So basically... the Pats get absolutely no comp picks?

 

[patsfaninpa]

Not this year. We lost Graham. Which would have probably gotten us a 3rd or 4th.
But, we signed A.Thomas,D.Stallworth and K.Washington. I didn't see other thread. Sorry, didn't see. You can merge ...For Mods

 

[DaBruinz]

He posted them on NFL Draft Countdown. Here's a link to thread. Not good news this year. No picks. BUt, looking good for next year. A 3 and a 5 for Asante and Gay in 09 looks to be in the cards.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19143

Stallworth should net the Pats a 4th. This has been talked about already.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=79100

 

[DaBruinz]

So basically... the Pats get absolutely no comp picks?

From Miguel's Free Agency page:

Will the contracts/production/offseason honors of Adalius Thomas, Kyle Brady, Sammy Morris, Donte' Stallworth, Kelley Washington and Tory James outweigh the contracts/production/offseason honors of Daniel Graham and Tully Banta-Cain?

Right now the Pats have signed Jason Webster, Sam Aiken, and Tank Williams. They've lost Samuel (9.5 million), Gay (4 million), Stallworth (5 million). Eugene Wilson still remains unsigned, but could go in the 2 million range.

Shefter is reporting that Webster signed for 2.2 million. He'll probably off-set Gay. Aiken and Williams may or may not count depending on what they signed for, contract wise.

Samuel will net the Pats a 3rd and Stallworth a 4th, most likely.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

From Miguel's Free Agency page:


Right now the Pats have signed Jason Webster, Sam Aiken, and Tank Williams. They've lost Samuel (9.5 million), Gay (4 million), Stallworth (5 million). Eugene Wilson still remains unsigned, but could go in the 2 million range.

Shefter is reporting that Webster signed for 2.2 million. He'll probably off-set Gay. Aiken and Williams may or may not count depending on what they signed for, contract wise.

Samuel will net the Pats a 3rd and Stallworth a 4th, most likely.

We better hope that at least one of Aiken and Williams doesn't count, or that Wilson signs a qualifying contract somewhere else--because if you sign the same number of qualifying FAs as you lose, then no matter how small those qualifying contracts are, the best you can hope for is a seventh-round pick.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Stallworth should net the Pats a 4th. This has been talked about already.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=79100

We released Stallworth. He wasn't a free-agent. Don't think he counts.

 

[DaBruinz]

We released Stallworth. He wasn't a free-agent. Don't think he counts.

We didn't release Stallworth. We didn't pick up his option. Take a look in the other thread. Dryheat explains it.

 

[DaBruinz]

We better hope that at least one of Aiken and Williams doesn't count, or that Wilson signs a qualifying contract somewhere else--because if you sign the same number of qualifying FAs as you lose, then no matter how small those qualifying contracts are, the best you can hope for is a seventh-round pick.

That's false also. 1 million signing doesn't off-set a 9.5 million loss. They have to be in similar brackets.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

That's false also. 1 million signing doesn't off-set a 9.5 million loss. They have to be in similar brackets.

If those are the only FA events, then, sadly, they do cancel out.

To quote Adamjt13:

It is possible for a team to get a compensatory pick even if it doesn’t suffer a net loss of qualifying free agents. That type of comp picks come at the end of the seventh round, after the normal comp picks and before the non-compensatory picks that are added if fewer than 32 comp picks are awarded. There have been 12 of these “net value” type of comp picks awarded, and in each case, the combined value of the free agents lost was significantly higher than the combined value of the free agents signed. In all 12 cases, those teams lost the same number of qualifying free agents as they signed. No team has been awarded a comp pick after signing more qualifying free agents than it lost, no matter how significant the difference in combined value. This year, I’m projecting that Atlanta will receive a net-value comp after losing three qualifying players (Patrick Kerney, Ashley Lelie and Justin Griffith) and signing three qualifying players (Ovie Mughelli, Lewis Sanders and Marcus Wilkins). The combined values of the players Atlanta lost was more than twice as much as the combined values of the players it signed.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

He posted them on NFL Draft Countdown. Here's a link to thread. Not good news this year. No picks. BUt, looking good for next year. A 3 and a 5 for Asante and Gay in 09 looks to be in the cards.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19143

This didn't come as any surprise; I knew this would be the case back in May or June of last year (having read adamjt13's work before).

Here's an interesting question, though--I know that since the Pats cut Colvin, he doesn't count as a FA lost for the Pats, but does he count as a FA gained for the team that signs him?

 

[DaBruinz]

This didn't come as any surprise; I knew this would be the case back in May or June of last year (having read adamjt13's work before).

Here's an interesting question, though--I know that since the Pats cut Colvin, he doesn't count as a FA lost for the Pats, but does he count as a FA gained for the team that signs him?

No. Players who are CUT do not count in the Compensatory pick equation. Either as players signed or as players lost.

 

[Metaphors]

We better hope that at least one of Aiken and Williams doesn't count, or that Wilson signs a qualifying contract somewhere else--because if you sign the same number of qualifying FAs as you lose, then no matter how small those qualifying contracts are, the best you can hope for is a seventh-round pick.

Reiss reports Webster signed for 1yr/750K and Aiken signed for 2yr/1.6M. Tank signed a 1 yr deal but no mention of money. Pretty puny but not sure if they count in the comp calculation.

I would imagine the braintrust knows about what Samuel/Stallworth/Gay would fetch in 2009 comp picks. I would doubt they would sign anyone (and keep them on the roster) unless they were worth the money and the potential loss of comp picks in 2009.