Andy Reid: Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

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http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spo...s_knew_they_had_slim_chance_to_sign_Moss.html

 

[pao]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spo...s_knew_they_had_slim_chance_to_sign_Moss.html

Never doubted it. It's the ONLY place that he would be successful. Probably the only place that would take him too.

pao

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Never doubted it. It's the ONLY place that he would be successful. Probably the only place that would take him too.

pao

What the F are you talking about? What a jack@$$ comment.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

I'm sorry, did that article say that Oakland gave Javon Walker 6 years at 55 million with 16 million guaranteed!??

Who is making the personnel decisions over there, a box of chicken mcnuggets!?

 

[patsfanofNC12]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

I am really hoping we try to make a move for Sheppard

 

[PatsFanJess]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

I'm sorry, did that article say that Oakland gave Javon Walker 6 years at 55 million with 16 million guaranteed!??

Who is making the personnel decisions over there, a box of chicken mcnuggets!?[/QUOTE]

Actually, this is a real possibility Too bad that box of chicken mcnuggets told them to franchise Asomaga.

Of course Randy came back to the Pats. He loves us. Besides, we have "unfinished business" to take care of.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Hey - if you can't believe a coach trying to explain to his disappointed fans why he lost out on getting a player of Moss' skills, who can you believe?

 

[LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Never doubted it. It's the ONLY place that he would be successful. Probably the only place that would take him too.

pao

Yes, it's the only place that would take him-- that's why the Eagles offered more money than the Patriots did and were heavily interested in him. He's also never had any success outside of New England, either.

Brilliant insight, chief.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Yes, it's the only place that would take him-- that's why the Eagles offered more money than the Patriots did and were heavily interested in him. He's also never had any success outside of New England, either.

Brilliant insight, chief.

That depends on how you define success. How many Super Bowls did Moss play in outside of NE again?

He certainly got a lot of money from Oakland and Minn - and did have that great rookie season for the Vikes - but I'm not sure you're going to have a lot of people arguing that he had success in Oakland or in too many other Viking seasons.

There's just a tiny bit of spin on Reid's part here. The Eagles definitely wanted him. Other reports indicate that Moss was VERY close to signing with them. And did the other 30 teams in the NFL truly have no interest after his agent made it clear they were interested in hearing other offers? And if so not why?

Does Reid possibly have an interest in convincing his team's fans that, contrary to other reports, Moss would accept no other offers and sign with no one other than the Patriots?

All one can say about this report is that Reid felt a need to cover his a$s and spin the story that the Eagles never had a shot at Moss.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

That depends on how you define success. How many Super Bowls did Moss play in outside of NE again?

He certainly got a lot of money from Oakland and Minn - and did have that great rookie season for the Vikes - but I'm not sure you're going to have a lot of people arguing that he had success in Oakland or in too many other Viking seasons.

There's just a tiny bit of spin on Reid's part here. The Eagles definitely wanted him. Other reports indicate that Moss was VERY close to signing with them. And did the other 30 teams in the NFL truly have no interest after his agent made it clear they were interested in hearing other offers? And if so not why?

Does Reid possibly have an interest in convincing his team's fans that, contrary to other reports, Moss would accept no other offers and sign with no one other than the Patriots?

All one can say about this report is that Reid felt a need to cover his a$s and spin the story that the Eagles never had a shot at Moss.

He also caught the most TD passes on the highest scoring offense in history prior to this season. Can that not be considered a success?

 

[LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

That depends on how you define success. How many Super Bowls did Moss play in outside of NE again?

He certainly got a lot of money from Oakland and Minn - and did have that great rookie season for the Vikes - but I'm not sure you're going to have a lot of people arguing that he had success in Oakland or in too many other Viking seasons.

Randy Moss has had a HOF career and been the most dominant receiver in football with Minnesota. He's had a ton of success, just hasn't won a Super Bowl.

I guess if you define an individuals success only by their team winning a Super Bowl then Hank Poteat has had lots of success and Dan Marino never had any success in his career.

Randy Moss would be a stud in a ton of situations. He's been unfairly labeled as a guy who couldn't succeed anywhere but New England because he didn't succeed in the worst situation in the NFL for the worst organization in the NFL.

 

[MossIsTheBoss]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

That depends on how you define success. How many Super Bowls did Moss play in outside of NE again?

He certainly got a lot of money from Oakland and Minn - and did have that great rookie season for the Vikes - but I'm not sure you're going to have a lot of people arguing that he had success in Oakland or in too many other Viking seasons.

There's just a tiny bit of spin on Reid's part here. The Eagles definitely wanted him. Other reports indicate that Moss was VERY close to signing with them. And did the other 30 teams in the NFL truly have no interest after his agent made it clear they were interested in hearing other offers? And if so not why?

Does Reid possibly have an interest in convincing his team's fans that, contrary to other reports, Moss would accept no other offers and sign with no one other than the Patriots?

All one can say about this report is that Reid felt a need to cover his a$s and spin the story that the Eagles never had a shot at Moss.

Randy Moss almost single handly took the Vikings to the Superbowl. This isn't an understatement. The guy made several below average QB's pro-bowl superstars. And like it or not, he took Tom Brady from a great QB to consideration as one of the all time best.

I know this might upset the fanboys on this board, but to outsiders Tom was considered a great "system" QB that relied on the dink-and-dunk. He couldn't throw the long ball, and couldn't throw under pressure. That changed with Moss. The guy was able to throw the long ball into double/triple coverage because he knew Moss would usually come down with it. I can't tell you how many "bad" passes that I saw Brady throw into coverage only to have Moss make a spectacular catch.

That's what Moss brings. Brady more than anyone knows this. The fact is, Moss wasn't getting anywhere close to "fair market value" from the Pats. They were low balling him, and he opened himself up to other teams to get a fair deal. He STILL gave the Pats a hometown discount, and yet you still b*tch.


:shrug

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Randy Moss almost single handly took the Vikings to the Superbowl. This isn't an understatement. The guy made several below average QB's pro-bowl superstars. And like it or not, he took Tom Brady from a great QB to consideration as one of the all time best.

I know this might upset the fanboys on this board, but to outsiders Tom was considered a great "system" QB that relied on the dink-and-dunk. He couldn't throw the long ball, and couldn't throw under pressure. That changed with Moss. The guy was able to throw the long ball into double/triple coverage because he knew Moss would usually come down with it. I can't tell you how many "bad" passes that I saw Brady throw into coverage only to have Moss make a spectacular catch.

That's what Moss brings. Brady more than anyone knows this. The fact is, Moss wasn't getting anywhere close to "fair market value" from the Pats. They were low balling him, and he opened himself up to other teams to get a fair deal. He STILL gave the Pats a hometown discount, and yet you still b*tch.

Umm . . . some of us do.

Others, like myself, realize that Moss was absolutely a man of his word--he said he wouldn't break New England's bank to stay, and I'd argue he didn't--and we're absolutely thrilled to have him back. :rocker:

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Randy Moss has had a HOF career and been the most dominant receiver in football with Minnesota. He's had a ton of success, just hasn't won a Super Bowl.

I guess if you define an individuals success only by their team winning a Super Bowl then Hank Poteat has had lots of success and Dan Marino never had any success in his career.

Randy Moss would be a stud in a ton of situations. He's been unfairly labeled as a guy who couldn't succeed anywhere but New England because he didn't succeed in the worst situation in the NFL for the worst organization in the NFL.

Randy Moss almost single handly took the Vikings to the Superbowl. This isn't an understatement. The guy made several below average QB's pro-bowl superstars. And like it or not, he took Tom Brady from a great QB to consideration as one of the all time best.

I know this might upset the fanboys on this board, but to outsiders Tom was considered a great "system" QB that relied on the dink-and-dunk. He couldn't throw the long ball, and couldn't throw under pressure. That changed with Moss. The guy was able to throw the long ball into double/triple coverage because he knew Moss would usually come down with it. I can't tell you how many "bad" passes that I saw Brady throw into coverage only to have Moss make a spectacular catch.

That's what Moss brings. Brady more than anyone knows this. The fact is, Moss wasn't getting anywhere close to "fair market value" from the Pats. They were low balling him, and he opened himself up to other teams to get a fair deal. He STILL gave the Pats a hometown discount, and yet you still b*tch.

:shrug

As I said, it all depends on how you define success.

And as I said Moss had an incredible rookie season when they "almost" went to the Super Bowl. Of course the list of teams that "almost" went to the Super Bowl is a pretty long one, so if that's success then I guess there's a lot of company there. But a 15-1 season deserves a ton of credit.

How successful one considers the Vikings other seasons with Moss ranging from 5-11 to 11-5 is a matter of defining success as well. Around here we don't really look at a 11-5 season where we lose in the playoffs as a "success" but perhaps others do. And of course there's no need to even use "success" and "Raiders" in the same sentence, with or without Moss.

I just think there was a bit of an over-reaction jumping down Pao's throat for suggesting that he doesn't view Moss as having a lot of success outside of New England.

Could just be that Pao doesn't think that losing in the playoffs is a successful season. Crucify him if you must.

Give the guy a break. As a long time member here I'm seeing a lot of brand new members who seem like they're only here to flame those who don't drink their particular brand of Kool-aid... and that's got to stop.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Moss made the very minimum amount of posturing to get a decent contract.

Yes, plenty of people wanted him, yes he could have got a lot more had he put himself on the auction block, yes he could have been successful elsewhere (for the clueless poster).

Thanks Randy, We love you too.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

As I said, it all depends on how you define success.

And as I said Moss had an incredible rookie season when they "almost" went to the Super Bowl. Of course the list of teams that "almost" went to the Super Bowl is a pretty long one, so if that's success then I guess there's a lot of company there. But a 15-1 season deserves a ton of credit.

How successful one considers the Vikings other seasons with Moss ranging from 5-11 to 11-5 is a matter of defining success as well. Around here we don't really look at a 11-5 season where we lose in the playoffs as a "success" but perhaps others do. And of course there's no need to even use "success" and "Raiders" in the same sentence, with or without Moss.

I just think there was a bit of an over-reaction jumping down Pao's throat for suggesting that he doesn't view Moss as having a lot of success outside of New England.

Could just be that Pao doesn't think that losing in the playoffs is a successful season. Crucify him if you must.

Give the guy a break. As a long time member here I'm seeing a lot of brand new members who seem like they're only here to flame those who don't drink their particular brand of Kool-aid... and that's got to stop.

So you're going to cast your lot with Pao?

After your recent trip to denial (not in egypt) it might be better to just face reality and admit you were wrong.

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

Um, I think Pao is a Chargers fan.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

So you're going to cast your lot with Pao?

If he's the only person around here who considers a successful season to be winning a Super Bowl then I suppose so.

There used to be a lot of Patsfans who felt the same way.

Seems like I'm old school in still thinking that way too. That's a bit sad if folks on this board have shifted to become Colts fans who value setting records over winning Super Bowls.

But yes, "success" to me is winning Super Bowls. That's not "wrong". You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

[otis p. driftwood]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

If he's the only person around here who considers a successful season to be winning a Super Bowl then I suppose so.

There used to be a lot of Patsfans who felt the same way.

Seems like I'm old school in still thinking that way too. That's a bit sad if folks on this board have shifted to become Colts fans who value setting records over winning Super Bowls.

But yes, "success" to me is winning Super Bowls. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

So who peed in your Wheaties today, chief?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Andy Reid:Randy was always going to go back to the Patriots

If he's the only person around here who considers a successful season to be winning a Super Bowl then I suppose so.

There used to be a lot of Patsfans who felt the same way.

Seems like I'm old school in still thinking that way too. That's a bit sad if folks on this board have shifted to become Colts fans who value setting records over winning Super Bowls.

But yes, "success" to me is winning Super Bowls. That's not "wrong". You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

Wow.... you've been a Patriots fan for about 6 years, then?