Did Mangini learn anything here?

[Ring 6]

That rebuilding process goes a lot faster when you fall on the best QB of all time

If you dont realize that Tom Brady is the best QB of alltime BECAUSE he has been on the Patriots and coached by Bill Belichick you may not even realize there is a point, much less be missing it by a mile.

 

[mangenious]

If you dont realize that Tom Brady is the best QB of alltime BECAUSE he has been on the Patriots and coached by Bill Belichick you may not even realize there is a point, much less be missing it by a mile.

Some how I don't think Brady would have been a scrub with another team and different coaches. The great Belichick made the greatest QB of all time?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Maybe the Jets are gambling on the uncapped years after 2009.

That's all well and good, except that the salary cap will be in place through at least the 2010 season. :singing:

 

[PonyExpress]

The Jets spend two years getting rid of bad contracts and focusing on drafting. They realized that they had major issues on their lines. They went after Faneca who is still one of the best lineman in the league who will completely change the attitude and ability of the entire line. Jenkins has his past issues but everyone knows he has the talent to be a dominating player. I don't think you can argue against either of these moves. They had serious issues on the lines and they went out and got the best two lineman available. I do not believe in the quick fix but they had cap room and spend it wisely. They didn't give 30 million to some overrated wide reciever and safety.

I do think they overpaid for Woody. I'm not sure if they really expect him to start at RT of he's just going to be the 6th lineman who can play 4 positions. I still expect them to draft a right tackle in the second round. I think they could have gotten Woody a lot cheaper.

As far as Pace, he has the perfect size (6 5 270) for OLB and he's still young. I really don't know how good he is after one year in the 3-4. I don't think he was worth the money but if they drafted a linebacker and spent 2 years developing him they still would have no pass rush. It's not like no one else was bidding on him.

In conclusion, I think Mangini learned a lot from Belichick/Pioli. He learned that until you have greats lines you have nothing.

I think these are very risky moves. they had to overpay these players to get them to play for the NYjets. that would disappoint me if I were a Jet fan, but I would understand that. The bottom line is, the QB situation is murky. If the Jets had a solid Qb sit right now all the other moves would look better. But Clemens is not the answer, and I'm not sure the Jets are willing to admit that. If they stick with Pennington, can he even stay healthy for half the season? If not, Clemens will likely sink the team. IMO the Jets need to draft either Matt Ryan or D. McFadden. If I were the jets I would trade up with Miami and take Ryan. But Mangini won't make a move that risky. He'll just splurge on questionable free agent talent with questionable character. All these guys: Woody, Pace, Jenkins have reputations as 1st class turds. After all his preaching, it looks like Mangini is willing to lower his "character" standards when his @$$ is on the line. So he should just draft McFadden and not beat around the bush. McFadden is the kind of talent, behind that O-line, that could make pennignton serviceable again.

 

[Ring 6]

Some how I don't think Brady would have been a scrub with another team and different coaches. The great Belichick made the greatest QB of all time?

Who do you think taught him how to play QB in the NFL?
You do realize that in his first year as a starter BB personally coached Brady right? You do realize that they spend 2+ hours every day going over film, plays, and BB teaching him what defense is and how defenses think and cover, right?
You do realize that continued in future years, right?

If Brady were on the Jets coached by Herman Edwards, he may have learned how to come up with a nice quote that will get you on Sportscenter, but he would never have developed the knowledge of the game and QB smarts that he has, at least not as quickly.

Great players are also a product of coaching. A great coach needs a great student, but a talented player without coaching never gets great.

 

[Ring 6]

I think these are very risky moves. they had to overpay these players to get them to play for the NYjets. that would disappoint me if I were a Jet fan, but I would understand that. The bottom line is, the QB situation is murky. If the Jets had a solid Qb sit right now all the other moves would look better. But Clemens is not the answer, and I'm not sure the Jets are willing to admit that. If they stick with Pennington, can he even stay healthy for half the season? If not, Clemens will likely sink the team. IMO the Jets need to draft either Matt Ryan or D. McFadden. If I were the jets I would trade up with Miami and take Ryan. But Mangini won't make a move that risky. He'll just splurge on questionable free agent talent with questionable character. All these guys: Woody, Pace, Jenkins have reputations as 1st class turds. After all his preaching, it looks like Mangini is willing to lower his "character" standards when his @$$ is on the line. So he should just draft McFadden and not beat around the bush. McFadden is the kind of talent, behind that O-line, that could make pennignton serviceable again.

You left Faneca out of the character issue, but he acted like a baby in Pittsburgh, demanding a new contract, threatening to hold out, and then telling the Steelers they can f-off when he is a FA because they didnt give him the money early.

 

[LloydBraun]

Is it just me, or does it seem that the MFJ are gonna try and get McFadden?

They rebuilt the O-line and are spending money on the front 7. Therefore, it makes too much sense that they will go McFadden to team with Thomas Jones.

 

[RayClay]

Mangini is reacting like a guy on a short leash.He doesn't have time to build a team ,He needs a miracle and thus has decided to throw a Hail Mary

Not only that, he's burned his bridges. He needs success now, or he'll never coach again.

 

[mangenious]

Who do you think taught him how to play QB in the NFL?
You do realize that in his first year as a starter BB personally coached Brady right? You do realize that they spend 2+ hours every day going over film, plays, and BB teaching him what defense is and how defenses think and cover, right?
You do realize that continued in future years, right?

If Brady were on the Jets coached by Herman Edwards, he may have learned how to come up with a nice quote that will get you on Sportscenter, but he would never have developed the knowledge of the game and QB smarts that he has, at least not as quickly.

Great players are also a product of coaching. A great coach needs a great student, but a talented player without coaching never gets great.

i really disagree with so much of this. For one yes coaching has a lot to do with in player development but so does player motivation, ability and ability to pick up the game. Brady would still be a very good player off the Pats. Show me the offensive player previously developed by the defensive minded Belichick? he played a huge role but to credit him for Brady is blasphemy. before Tom Brady was Tome Brady and was drafted by the Pats he told Kraft that picking him was the greatest decision he had ever made. Dont tell me a player like that does not have an extra edge to him and the michael jordan determination

 

[Ring 6]

i really disagree with so much of this. For one yes coaching has a lot to do with in player development but so does player motivation, ability and ability to pick up the game. Brady would still be a very good player off the Pats. Show me the offensive player previously developed by the defensive minded Belichick? he played a huge role but to credit him for Brady is blasphemy

You need to learn to comprehend what you read.
Brady deserves all of the credit for what he has become. He TOOK the coaching, he worked hard, he made himself the best he can be.
But, he would not be what he is without the influence of Belichick.
Belichick is the one who personally coached him. That is a fact. I dont need other examples to prove that Belichick had a tremendous influence on brady.
It goes beyond just that as well. Many NFL players only become as good as they want to be. No player enters the NFL NFL-ready. There is a ton for them to learn. It is their job ot learn it, some take it seriously, some do not. However, the quality of coaching that you get, and the atmosphere you are in that pushes you or doesnt, demands your best or doesnt, has a large impact.

Why is it that most of the greatest players in the NFL played for the greatest coaches?
Please don't tell me you think they were just really smart and drafted better than everyone.

Players need to be coached. If they are the player that wants to be the best, the coaching they get either helps that or holds them back. Tom Brady came into the NFL knowing next to nothing about being an NFL QB. Of course he developed, worked his ass off, and made himself great. But SOMEONE had to teach him correctly how to be an NFL player, and an NFL QB.
Do you honestly think that Tom Brady developed his decision-making ability all by himself? What, he was a child prodigy on defenses, coverages, and audibles? He makes decisions within an offensive scheme, because he was taught how to make those decisions. Some QBs cannot learn that, some coaches can teach it as well as others.

 

[Ring 6]

i really disagree with so much of this. For one yes coaching has a lot to do with in player development but so does player motivation, ability and ability to pick up the game. Brady would still be a very good player off the Pats. Show me the offensive player previously developed by the defensive minded Belichick? he played a huge role but to credit him for Brady is blasphemy. before Tom Brady was Tome Brady and was drafted by the Pats he told Kraft that picking him was the greatest decision he had ever made. Dont tell me a player like that does not have an extra edge to him and the michael jordan determination

Its entirely possible that Brady mayhave never gotten the chance to play if he wasnt drafted by Belichick, or like so many others been unprepared and squandered that opportunity as a youngster.
The same can be said of Joe Montana. If he were drafted by a deep throwing team rather than the architect of the WCO, the one that perfectly suited him, taught to him by the master, he may have never made it in the NFL.

That doesn't discount the thousands of players who got just as good coaching and did nothing with it, but coaching impacts a lot of good players, many of which wouldnt be good with bad coaching.

 

[mangenious]

You need to learn to comprehend what you read.
Brady deserves all of the credit for what he has become. He TOOK the coaching, he worked hard, he made himself the best he can be.
But, he would not be what he is without the influence of Belichick.
Belichick is the one who personally coached him. That is a fact. I dont need other examples to prove that Belichick had a tremendous influence on brady.
It goes beyond just that as well. Many NFL players only become as good as they want to be. No player enters the NFL NFL-ready. There is a ton for them to learn. It is their job ot learn it, some take it seriously, some do not. However, the quality of coaching that you get, and the atmosphere you are in that pushes you or doesnt, demands your best or doesnt, has a large impact.

Why is it that most of the greatest players in the NFL played for the greatest coaches?
Please don't tell me you think they were just really smart and drafted better than everyone.

Players need to be coached. If they are the player that wants to be the best, the coaching they get either helps that or holds them back. Tom Brady came into the NFL knowing next to nothing about being an NFL QB. Of course he developed, worked his ass off, and made himself great. But SOMEONE had to teach him correctly how to be an NFL player, and an NFL QB.
Do you honestly think that Tom Brady developed his decision-making ability all by himself? What, he was a child prodigy on defenses, coverages, and audibles? He makes decisions within an offensive scheme, because he was taught how to make those decisions. Some QBs cannot learn that, some coaches can teach it as well as others.

I dispute none of this, I honestly believe though that he would still be a very good QB w/o Belichick, not THE BEST but still god. Just my opinion. I dont see how Belichick can be the difference between GOAT and JAG

 

[Ring 6]

I dispute none of this, I honestly believe though that he would still be a very good QB w/o Belichick, not THE BEST but still god. Just my opinion. I dont see how Belichick can be the difference between GOAT and JAG

Hence, you retract your comment that the Patriot dynasty was built by having the best QB ever show up in their laps one day?

 

[mangenious]

Hence, you retract your comment that the Patriot dynasty was built by having the best QB ever show up in their laps one day?

I never said that maybe you should re read what I said. What I said was that it sure helps the rebuilding process a lot when you get the greatest QB of all time. I still stand by that comment.

 

[NEBG]

Dolphin was the worst team in 07.
Jet will be the worst team in 08.

There's an intelligent, informed opinion. Get a clue Pal. These moves won't bring the Jets to the Pats level, but it's a move in the right direction. Worst team next year - great prediction pal.

 

[mangenious]

There's an intelligent, informed opinion. Get a clue Pal. These moves won't bring the Jets to the Pats level, but it's a move in the right direction. Worst team next year - great prediction pal.

what has become of patsfans.com when someone other then a Jets fan sticks up for them:eek .

 

[ATippett56]

Dolphin was the worst team in 07.
Jet will be the worst team in 08.

No way!

The Miami Dolphins will be the worst team in 2008 ..... by far. The Miami Dolphins have scrubs at quarterback and at wide receiver.

 

[NEBG]

what has become of patsfans.com when someone other then a Jets fan sticks up for them:eek .

I am a Jets fan mangenious.

 

[ATippett56]

what has become of patsfans.com when someone other then a Jets fan sticks up for them:eek .

The hate for Mangini will, at times, blind rational thought.

 

[mangenious]

I am a Jets fan mangenious.

I should have known