What does Tedy do well anymore?

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

The apology is nice but you'll be taken a heck of alot more seriously in the future if you actually spell the name of one of the most beloved Patriots in history correctly to begin with. Sorry, it really bugs when people do that.

I also know that BB knows a hell of a lot about talent than me and you. He is not sentimental. If he believes Tedy still has it, than he does. Can we anticipate a Junior sucks thread from you if he re-signs, also?

Get out, you think Bill knows more about a players value and building a football team than fans on a message board?

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Get out, you think Bill knows more about a players value and building a football team than fans on a message board?

I know, it's a crazy thought, but it just may be true. I am so sick of all the friggin armchair QB's. There are some posters on here that have such great football knowledge and I learn so much. But these freakin negative nellies always popping around--drives me nuts.

Something good happened--ooh ooh let me criticize it and find the bad in it!!!! To not know what Tedy brings to this team beyond his play on the field is unfathomable.

 

[iapatsfan]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

The apology is nice but you'll be taken a heck of alot more seriously in the future if you actually spell the name of one of the most beloved Patriots in history correctly to begin with. Sorry, it really bugs when people do that.

I also know that BB knows a hell of a lot about talent than me and you. He is not sentimental. If he believes Tedy still has it, than he does. Can we anticipate a Junior sucks thread from you if he re-signs, also?

Once again I apologize. I have a very good friend who spells his name with two D's. It's habit. By no means is my spelling of TB's name reflective of my Pats knowledge. I follow this team religiously.

I agree that BB knows a lot more about talent than you and I. However, I do believe he has been a little to loyal at times to certain players. There is a decent list of "BB Guys" that hung around a little too long. Anthony Pleasant, Troy Brown last year, Otis Smith, Rick Lyle, Roman Phifer, Victor Green. Obviously some of these include their NYJ tenure, but it does show at times BB is hesitant to cut the proverbial cord from his personal favorites.

 

[Pats726]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Please don't use that as a measure of effectiveness. He was ran at a ton, which is going to allow him to make tackles. Can someone please provide me with 3 impact plays TB made this year.

BTW - Take a look at the NFL stats for tackles. There are a lot of avg to below avg players that had much higher tackle totals than TB. Tackles are just not a very good measure of a players value.

BTW...you are the one claiming he can't do ANYTHING...and then bring u[ "value" "effectiveness".. and "impact plays"...Do you jusge a player's effectiveness by ESPN highlights?? Geez...

 

[iapatsfan]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

SIGH....the design of the 3/4 is for the DL's to tie up the offensive linemen and direct the runners to the gaps and into the arms of the waiting LB who handles his gap responsibility and makes the stop.

That is why NE had the 4th overall 'D' in the NFL last year.

Give TB some talent to work with and he will teach and lead - just ask Jr or Adalius. I think Woods & maybe even Alexender will play larger roles this year, they seem to be making progress, this scheme takes time. The other guys you mentioned are JAGS all the way.

My only problem with our defense was the inability to make the crucial stop at the most important time - 3rd and 4th down, during the final drive of the final game.

Your scenario is to get rid of the guy that held the 'D' together and replace him with fast guys that are clueless....

TB is not what held the D together last year. The D-Line is. TB is the guy who was replaced by E Alexander to start the AFC Championship against the Colts a year ago. That was over a season ago. If he was considered a liability in that game, why not now? At what point does he need to be replaced by a younger, more talented player?

 

[iapatsfan]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

BTW...you are the one claiming he can't do ANYTHING...and then bring u[ "value" "effectiveness".. and "impact plays"...Do you jusge a player's effectiveness by ESPN highlights?? Geez...

No I don't. But I do watch every play of every game a number of times. Look at KC Joyner's stats for the LB position. He takes into account a lot more data than just "tackles". Just look at our defensive YPC avg after Rosey went down. Teams started averaging nearly 5 yards/carry against us. I don't think that was as much a reflection of Rosey being out as it was TB being on the field more often.

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

TB is not what held the D together last year. The D-Line is. TB is the guy who was replaced by E Alexander to start the AFC Championship against the Colts a year ago. That was over a season ago. If he was considered a liability in that game, why not now? At what point does he need to be replaced by a younger, more talented player?

You're joking right? The same game that the whole team had fevers and the flu? That game? Ugh.

 

[fgssand]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Right now, and that holds true for every single player on the team......younger more talented players is the way to improve.

Show me those guys and I am all for it.......until you can be happy we have what we have. TB was not the reason we failed down the stretch in
Indy & Az, he was one of the reasons we got that far.

 

[skri65]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Teddy actually made a couple great plays down the stretch. I forget what game, but I remember him jumping full out and knocking down a ball that would have been a touchdown.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

No I don't. But I do watch every play of every game a number of times. Look at KC Joyner's stats for the LB position. He takes into account a lot more data than just "tackles". Just look at our defensive YPC avg after Rosey went down. Teams started averaging nearly 5 yards/carry against us. I don't think that was as much a reflection of Rosey being out as it was TB being on the field more often.

Having spent the last several hours (ok, fleeting seconds) pondering your posts, I realize something that you may have missed: Belioli have decided that having Bruschi back at the agreed upon salary was more important to the team than keeping Colvin at his salary. I wonder if that means anything (other than Belioli have lost their minds)...

 

[jeffbiologist]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

As far as I can remember he was (1)the leading tackler on an undefeated super bowl team. (2)He started every game. (3)He has played in 5 Super Bowls in 12 years! If you dont think those 3 things count you dont know anything!
He made himself a valuable member of the LBs by effort. That hasnt changed. He is and always has been small and fast for the position, he isnt a THUMPER. He sets the defense, and even if he is "catching" too much for some people's liking he is still our best bet. He is a 3 down LB, dont you remember his coverage that knocked down a TD at the goal line this year? I know he didnt get the turnovers he usually does, Junior got 3 INTs, thats how it goes.
Our run defense problems started with Seymour being hurt and Rodney out a few games. And honestly I think the safeties slacked off this year too. But its his experience and grace under pressure that defines character that no rookie can ever replace. He still plays on STs!! I am not so sure that if he didnt have his stroke that we dont win 5 straight Super Bowls! He has a chance to tie the record by being in his 6th Super Bowl in 09.....and took a hometown discount prior to free agency to do it! If ever there were a guy that it was ok to LOSE a game for this is the guy! He should be creeping into HOF territory too....You wont see #54 on another Patriot ever!

 

[spook75]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

since I have no well though counter argument for you I can only say this :

SHut up debbie-downer. Bruschi Rocks!!

I let other debate with you.. I am just sick of the BRu-haters.. You all sound as if he was the sole reason we lost the SB or something?? HEllo undefeated regular season... 18 won games... all "inspite" of B being on the team

Good bye

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

In my opinion, the guy is a liability whenever he is on the field. The number 1 problem with our defense is lack of speed. I honestly think opposing coaches love seeing TB out there. You can run at him, and he can no longer cover. We really missed by not drafting David Harris last year. I am not worried about losing Asante as long as we can add speed to the LB position. The NYG corners are below average, and look how good front 7 speed made them look. I know we run a different D (3-4), so speed on the D-Line is not a priority. Our D-Line is an ideal 3-4 line. The benefit of the 3-4 is having the potential for pass rushers coming from anywhere. When 2 of the four LB's can't run, you lose that threat, and your pass defense becomes very vulnerable. We need SPEED, SPEED, SPEED!!

I'm with ya 100% buddy. But, then again, I'm just a troll what do I know.

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

As far as I can remember he was (1)the leading tackler on an undefeated super bowl team. (2)He started every game. (3)He has played in 5 Super Bowls in 12 years! If you dont think those 3 things count you dont know anything!
He made himself a valuable member of the LBs by effort. That hasnt changed. He is and always has been small and fast for the position, he isnt a THUMPER. He sets the defense, and even if he is "catching" too much for some people's liking he is still our best bet. He is a 3 down LB, dont you remember his coverage that knocked down a TD at the goal line this year? I know he didnt get the turnovers he usually does, Junior got 3 INTs, thats how it goes.
Our run defense problems started with Seymour being hurt and Rodney out a few games. And honestly I think the safeties slacked off this year too. But its his experience and grace under pressure that defines character that no rookie can ever replace. He still plays on STs!! I am not so sure that if he didnt have his stroke that we dont win 5 straight Super Bowls! He has a chance to tie the record by being in his 6th Super Bowl in 09.....and took a hometown discount prior to free agency to do it! If ever there were a guy that it was ok to LOSE a game for this is the guy! He should be creeping into HOF territory too....You wont see #54 on another Patriot ever!

Granted I have bias but I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. He is one of those guys that defines winning. He has the heart and energy that you want out of every player on your team. And he has a PR story that could put him over the top. Without the winning and with out the Stroke he prolly wouldn't have a chance and may still have no chance but in my biased opinion he deserves it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Once again, I apologize for the name spelling. My bad. However, what I'm hearing from all of you is, "This is great news, we're so glad to have him back. We just hope we get some new LB's and he doesn't have to see the field that often."

One thing that you are ignorant on is Tedy's play calling ability. Tedy is the one who calls the defensive adjustments for the front 7. Also, Teams ran at Jarvis Green. The DE that many teams felt was a liability against the run. He showed teams that he really wasn't a liability. Teams also ran at a recovering Seymour. Guess what. That means they were running at Bruschi as well.

You want people to name plays, but you ignore intangibles, but you also ignore the tangible items as well. Hell, you think that some HIGHLIGHT reel play is what makes a player good. Highlight reel plays are the once in a blue moon plays. Its consistency. And while Bruschi has lost a step, he's still very consistent and the Patriots clearly think that he can still contribute for awhile, as shown by the multi-year deal he signed.

Now, about your crapping on Bruschi as not having "taught" that litany of LBs you mentioned.

Beisel was on the team while Tedy was recovering from his stroke.
Woods is still here and plays OLB, not ILB. But if you are ignorant enough to think that Bruschi hasn't passed knowledge along to Woods, then there is no hope for you.
Chad Brown - I can't believe you are ignorant enough to mention a 16 year veteran who was thrust into the Starting ILB role because of the loss of Ted Johnson.
Corey Mays - He was only ever going to be a special teamer.
Rogers - The Pats were trying to sneak Rogers onto their practice squad. Unfortunately, Dallas has scouted Rogers quite thoroughly since he played at SMU in Dallas.
Mincey - You must have missed where it was his own attitude that cost him his job with the Pats. Not to mention he's an OLB, so Bruschi would have less teaching with him than with other players.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

As far as I can remember he was (1)the leading tackler on an undefeated super bowl team. (2)He started every game. (3)He has played in 5 Super Bowls in 12 years! If you dont think those 3 things count you dont know anything!
He made himself a valuable member of the LBs by effort. That hasnt changed. He is and always has been small and fast for the position, he isnt a THUMPER. He sets the defense, and even if he is "catching" too much for some people's liking he is still our best bet. He is a 3 down LB, dont you remember his coverage that knocked down a TD at the goal line this year? I know he didnt get the turnovers he usually does, Junior got 3 INTs, thats how it goes.
Our run defense problems started with Seymour being hurt and Rodney out a few games. And honestly I think the safeties slacked off this year too. But its his experience and grace under pressure that defines character that no rookie can ever replace. He still plays on STs!! I am not so sure that if he didnt have his stroke that we dont win 5 straight Super Bowls! He has a chance to tie the record by being in his 6th Super Bowl in 09.....and took a hometown discount prior to free agency to do it! If ever there were a guy that it was ok to LOSE a game for this is the guy! He should be creeping into HOF territory too....You wont see #54 on another Patriot ever!

Dumb statement considering that Willie McGinest one of NEs best linebackers ever had his number 55 taken the FOLLOWING year by Seau

 

[PatsFanJess]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Bru is a key player on this team for other reasons then physical play. Hes a strong leader, and will be a great mentor for any new LB we may pick up. I think it's really disrespectful to ask "what does TEDY do well anymore"...gimme a break. He does a lot well. I'd rather have him on the team then not. It's up to BB and co. how much he plays and I'm down with whatever they want to do.

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Dumb statement considering that Willie McGinest one of NEs best linebackers ever had his number 55 taken the FOLLOWING year by Seau

Dumb statement as Willie by leaving made it easy not to have to retire his number. If Tedy retires here his number will be retired unless and it has been rumored that the patriots are going to stop retiring #s and possibly unretire numbers and just create a ring of fame type thing. This way they don't have to worry about running out of numbers and they can honor their greats.

Not always but typically you retire the great players that played there whole career with your team. Some guys have returned to have their numbers retired by other teams so it is possible. But if Willie was still here we would all be expecting his number be retired too.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

Once again I apologize. I have a very good friend who spells his name with two D's. It's habit. By no means is my spelling of TB's name reflective of my Pats knowledge. I follow this team religiously.

I agree that BB knows a lot more about talent than you and I. However, I do believe he has been a little to loyal at times to certain players. There is a decent list of "BB Guys" that hung around a little too long. Anthony Pleasant, Troy Brown last year, Otis Smith, Rick Lyle, Roman Phifer, Victor Green. Obviously some of these include their NYJ tenure, but it does show at times BB is hesitant to cut the proverbial cord from his personal favorites.

Out of that list, only Green was a failure for the Pats.

Otis Smith played very well for the Pats. So did Phifer. Anthony Pleasant was key to the Pats 2001 SB victory. He was a starting DE for the Pats 4-3 alignment there.

I'm not sure how you can call Rick Lyle a guy that hung around too long. He was a JAG for the Pats. Nothing more. And he played sparingly. But he played well.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: What does Teddy do well anymore?

TB is not what held the D together last year. The D-Line is. TB is the guy who was replaced by E Alexander to start the AFC Championship against the Colts a year ago. That was over a season ago. If he was considered a liability in that game, why not now? At what point does he need to be replaced by a younger, more talented player?

First off, YES, Tedy Bruschi is the one who held the defense together last year. He was the one calling out the defensive adjustments.

Bruschi wasn't replaced by Eric Alexander in the AFCCG 2 years ago. Tully Banta Cain was. The Pats moved Vrabel from inside over to OLB in place of TBC.

If the Pats had a younger, more talented player, then he'd replace Bruschi. However they don't have that, do they.

So, please stop with all your harping because you are all over the place and proven, at best, ignorant on the subject you are harping about.