Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner (besides Patriots) [merged]

[TripleOption]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

i doubt Bruschi is nearly as much as Seau. Sure theres listed weights but i think Bruschi is closer to 240 than 250

they dont really update weights for veterans that often in NFL but most of these guys are probably over or less than what they are listed as. For all we know, Vilma could've bulked up this year. Besides..like i said @ another board. BB doesnt eliminate players that are light in weight. Hes shown interest in Vilma & Sims in the drafts, He offered a contract to a 5"11 230 lb LB who has far less speed than either. He said something when we played Lions like "I think a guy like Sims can definitely play in a 3-4, theres ways around size, if you work hard, prepare well and really love the game, you can do it."

Izzo is a Special Teamer, nothing more.

Size is not the end all but it's a pretty necessary component in the 3-4. Time will tell, but I don't think Vilma gets near the Pats.

 

[Remix 6]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

Izzo is a Special Teamer, nothing more.

Size is not the end all but it's a pretty necessary component in the 3-4. Time will tell, but I don't think Vilma gets near the Pats.

the 5"11 230 pound LB i was talking about was Zach Thomas..

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

One key aspect that people always overlook when people talk about does he fit in our system.

We have several guys that fit like a glove. I think putting four guys of Vilma's size in 3-4 would not work but if three guys are perfectly fit for it and the fourth guy is someone like Vilma who is an incredible athlete than it can work.

By the way for those hoping....no way the Jets trade him to the Pats

 

[Remix 6]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

One key aspect that people always overlook when people talk about does he fit in our system.

We have several guys that fit like a glove. I think putting four guys of Vilma's size in 3-4 would not work but if three guys are perfectly fit for it and the fourth guy is someone like Vilma who is an incredible athlete than it can work.

By the way for those hoping....no way the Jets trade him to the Pats

could be possible if Mangini is as stupid as we think. he'll think to himself "i am as good as coach as Belichick, he didnt work here, were ripping them off!"

 

[JoePats]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

could be possible if Mangini is as stupid as we think. he'll think to himself "i am as good as coach as Belichick, he didnt work here, were ripping them off!"

No chance.

Only way, and I'd agree this is about .002%, would be if the Pats went behind the back of the Jets to some other team, and told them to get him for their 3rd, and the Pats would then grab him for the Raiders 3rd, but there are cap implications probably that makes that highly unlikely.

Maybe in a few years after his rookie contract runs out.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

A 3rd thats it? Not that im interested with him being only a year away from FA but thats really low for a former 1st rounder and rookie of the year.

Oh my God! I can think of a trading partner right now!

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

I would just wait until he gets released. What team is going to want to trade for Vilma with his history of injuries? With that said, I would take a chance on him, he is still young. Also, he would be playing in front of a better D-Line (New England) than in New York. That could help.

 

[chrisfx811]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

I caught the trail end of the ESPN ticker that said something about '..... Vilma to seek trade partner, except for the Patriots.'

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

I caught the trail end of the ESPN ticker that said something about '..... Vilma to seek trade partner, except for the Patriots.'

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/02/25/jets_vilma_is_on_market/

"Two sources with ties to Vilma said the 2004 first-round pick has permission to shop his services to 30 of the league's teams, but not the Patriots."

Weird. If he's good enough to be scared of trading him to us then Mangina should be able to get something out of him. How can this be read other than "New England's coaches are better than ours and we know it".

 

[NDfan]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

Haha, Mangina is scared of what Vilma will do with a real D-Line playing in front of him.

 

[bigjunk1]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/02/25/jets_vilma_is_on_market/

"Two sources with ties to Vilma said the 2004 first-round pick has permission to shop his services to 30 of the league's teams, but not the Patriots."

Not that anything would ever be done about this, but shouldn't the league have a rule against that type of agreement? I would think the NFLPA would be pissed.

And how does that help you get best value if you are the Jets? I guess it's just another example of that organization being concerned with crap that doesn't mean anything instead of improving their team.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

Damn, I was hoping the Pats could screw up the Jets ability to get the best value for Vilma by offering him a contract and a second round pick trade compensation potentially stopping Vilma from looking for trade partners. Then Vilma could file a grievance with the league like Deion Branch did with the Pats. I think this is exactly why the Jets said Vilma couldn't talk to the Pats.

The Pats know that the Jets would never trade Vilma to them, but they could definitely offer a contract no one would match to make it impossible for the Jets to trade Vilma.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

Damn, I was hoping the Pats could screw up the Jets ability to get the best value for Vilma by offering him a contract and a second round pick trade compensation potentially stopping Vilma from looking for trade partners. Then Vilma could file a grievance with the league like Deion Branch did with the Pats. I think this is exactly why the Jets said Vilma couldn't talk to the Pats.

The Pats know that the Jets would never trade Vilma to them, but they could definitely offer a contract no one would match to make it impossible for the Jets to trade Vilma.

I don't understand what actually happened with Branch. I know the Patriots claim they never gave Branch permission to talk with the Jets. Whatever the NFL ruled internally, it seems to me that the Patriots right to grant permission was not respected. If the Patriots can apply the same standard, they should at least pass word on to Vilma's people that they are willing to offer a decent package.

I doubt the Jets will be able to prevent that, given the history.

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

I don't understand what actually happened with Branch.

I believe Branch was given permission to seek out a trade partner (no restrictions) but WASN'T given permission to talk about contract terms with anybody. A perfectly legit set of conditions since he was still under contract with the Pats. The complaint was that Branch discussed contract terms with the Jets...the obvious intent being to drive a wedge between the Pats and Branch on a long-term deal.

While difficult to prove without a smoking gun, it would have been an easy investigation if the league really wanted to find these illegal discussions. As with the Milloy/Redskins situation, the league wants nothing to do with this. Unless you have hard evidence (a tape or multiple independent witnesses willing to talk), the league will bury any complaint about illegal contact.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner

I don't understand what actually happened with Branch. I know the Patriots claim they never gave Branch permission to talk with the Jets. Whatever the NFL ruled internally, it seems to me that the Patriots right to grant permission was not respected. If the Patriots can apply the same standard, they should at least pass word on to Vilma's people that they are willing to offer a decent package.

I doubt the Jets will be able to prevent that, given the history.

I thought it was the Pats never gave restrictions, but they also never said they would take any offer that came their way or that Branch could negotiate compensation for the Patriots. The Pats stance was that the Jets weren't offering enough for them to trade Branch and that the second round pick (supposive compensation offered by the Jets for Branch) wasn't what they would want nor Branch had the right to negotiate that.

Basically what the Jets did was offer Branch the best contract, but lowballed the Pats in compensation. The Pats refused to trade Branch and Branch filed a grievance stating he held up his end of the agreement and the Pats had to hold up theirs and trade him. The Pats claimed they couldn't be forced to trade for Branch for below value.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Jets to Vilma: Find a trading partner besides Patriots

The Patriots should offer Vilma a contract through an intermediary.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Vilma Given Permission to Speak with Every Team Except Patriots?

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/02/25/jets_vilma_is_on_market/?page=1

INDIANAPOLIS - Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma is on the trading block, but the linebacker-needy Patriots shouldn't get their hopes up.

Two sources with ties to Vilma said the 2004 first-round pick has permission to shop his services to 30 of the league's teams, but not the Patriots.

While a high-ranking Jets official said the team would trade within the division if the value was right, even if it meant dealing with its bitter rival in New England, the sources close to Vilma contended otherwise.

Vilma's agent, Mitch Frankel, could not be reached.

That the Jets possibly would impose such a restriction on the Patriots could be viewed as a reflection of the continuing bad blood between the teams. Relations between the teams were icy even before the Patriots violated the NFL's videotaping procedures at the Jets' home stadium in the season opener. The ice only has grown thicker in subsequent months.

The New York Daily News reported Friday that the Jets have given Vilma permission to shop himself, noting that there are two layers to the process.

Vilma has one year remaining on his contract and is seeking a new deal, so the first layer would be striking a new contract with an interested team. If that happened, the team would negotiate compensation on a trade with the Jets.

Vilma is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2008 season, so the Jets have some motivation to facilitate a trade. He also underwent knee surgery in November, so there are some health questions and it remains unclear how well Vilma would fit in the Patriots' system.

 

[DarrylS]

Re: Vilma Given Permission to Speak with Every Team Except Patriots?

He is a 4-3 Linebacker and would not be a good fit anyways.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Vilma Given Permission to Speak with Every Team Except Patriots?

He is a 4-3 Linebacker and would not be a good fit anyways.

I agree, hence the Jets wanting to get rid of him, which makes it all the more weird that they've made this stipulation (since they should rationally know that the Pats wouldn't want him anyways). Was this just a pure spite move?

 

[Pats726]

Re: Vilma Given Permission to Speak with Every Team Except Patriots?

I think so...spite..just makes him look even dumber...