Gholston Will be Gone before 7

[Keegs]

After hearing this guy get more and more hyped, it seems that there is no way he will last to #7.

It seems that he would have to have a really bad workout at the combine for him to be available at 7.

it doesn't help that i could see every team above the pats taking him.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

After hearing this guy get more and more hyped, it seems that there is no way he will last to #7.

It seems that he would have to have a really bad workout at the combine for him to be available at 7.

it doesn't help that i could see every team above the pats taking him.

who do you think takes him? and what do you think he runs? how many reps on bench press?

 

[JoePats]

The physical specimes like him tend to really shoot up the ladder at the combine, unless he just is an idiot and bombs his interviews. I agree w/ Keegs, he'll be gone. The Jets will take him.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

this is going to be a very interesting draft to say the least as it will be itnerested where mcfadden and matt ryan go. hopefully they go in the top 6 so someone drops to the pats.

 

[Keegs]

this is going to be a very interesting draft to say the least as it will be itnerested where mcfadden and matt ryan go. hopefully they go in the top 6 so someone drops to the pats.

hello Mr. Buttersworth.

For all intensive purposes, i tend to agree with you.

 

[bradmahn]

At this point in time a lot of people think Ellis, Dorsey, McFadden, C. Long, J. Long, and potentially Ryan are the "big" prospects. There are three pass rushing linemen currently ranked ahead of Gholston in that group. I think there is a very good chance that he will be there for the Pats. It also wouldn't surprise me if somewhere a CB vaults into that group (who doesn't love crazy athletes who can play DB?).

You know what I'd like to see? McFadden fall to the Jets.

 

[Keegs]

i would be fine with McFadden being drafted by the Jets.

I like watching Mike Mayock and he is usually right. He kept talking about how he wouldn't even put McFadden in the top 20 b/c of his leg strength and how he just stops when he gets hit.

Let the Jets have him.

I really hope Jake Long drops, i could see the pats taking him and trading Kaczur for a ham sandwich and some cool ranch doritos.

 

[sebman2112]

Who's he going to bump down the board?

Chris Long
Jake Long
Glenn Dorsey
Darren McFadden
Sedrick Ellis
Matt Ryan

Also, since when has the second rated DE/OLB been considered a lock to go in the top 6? I'm not saying he can't go in the top 6, but I believe your opinion (and the opinion of some others) is false.

You have it backwards, Gholston's a physical specimen and a raw player, so he needs to put up good/great numbers at the combine, or he could slip into the 8-10 range. The Jets selecting Sedric Ellis makes more sense by the way.

Frankly, I believe a lot of fans overrate him slightly. Yea, he was good in college and he's what you'd consider a physical specimen, but he needs to improve his tech, improve his pass coverage and range, and work on a few other areas of his game. The fact that he's raw could go in his favor (in that teams might be able to mold him), but it could (and probably should) go against his being selected in the top 5-8 picks. I don't like the idea of giving a huge contract to a conversion project who hasn't proved he can be an EVERY down 3-4 OLB.

 

[Caspir]

hello Mr. Buttersworth.

For all intensive purposes, i tend to agree with you.

Intents and purposes. There is nothing intensive about your purpose.

Gholston will be there at seven.

 

[JoePats]

Who's he going to bump down the board?

Chris Long
Jake Long
Glenn Dorsey
Darren McFadden
Sedrick Ellis
Matt Ryan

Also, since when has the second rated DE/OLB been considered a lock to go in the top 6? I'm not saying he can't go in the top 6, but I believe your opinion (and the opinion of some others) is false.

You have it backwards, Gholston's a physical specimen and a raw player, so he needs to put up good/great numbers at the combine, or he could slip into the 8-10 range. The Jets selecting Sedric Ellis makes more sense by the way.

Frankly, I believe a lot of fans overrate him slightly. Yea, he was good in college and he's what you'd consider a physical specimen, but he needs to improve his tech, improve his pass coverage and range, and work on a few other areas of his game. The fact that he's raw could go in his favor (in that teams might be able to mold him), but it could (and probably should) go against his being selected in the top 5-8 picks. I don't like the idea of giving a huge contract to a conversion project who hasn't proved he can be an EVERY down 3-4 OLB.

Can Ellis play 3-4 NT at 308?

 

[Keegs]

Intents and purposes. There is nothing intensive about your purpose.

Gholston will be there at seven.

I beg to differ, my purpose is intensely intensive.

 

[sebman2112]

i would be fine with McFadden being drafted by the Jets.

I like watching Mike Mayock and he is usually right. He kept talking about how he wouldn't even put McFadden in the top 20 b/c of his leg strength and how he just stops when he gets hit.

Let the Jets have him.

I really hope Jake Long drops, i could see the pats taking him and trading Kaczur for a ham sandwich and some cool ranch doritos.

I'm really becoming a fan of Mayock's player evaluations.

During the 2007 college season when fans were hoping NE would select McFadden (because they believed Maroney sucked), I had been talking about McFadden's physical build, running style, and ability. At the time I pointed out that he doesn't have the type of strong developed legs I like in my RB's, and that I believed his build was more commonly found in WR's, not RB's. He isn't the next comming of Peterson, doesn't run as tough, isn't as good between the tackles, and the other backs in the same backfield also put up great numbers.

Remember, Felix Jones had an outstanding YPC (much better than DMac's), Hillis had a great YPC, and that Arkansas O-line created some huge running lanes for that threesome to exploit. I've thought McFadden was slightly overrated for a long time, and I continue believing this. Also, his off the field issues aren't something I'd like to see in a player I'm thinking of investing top 5-7 money in either.

 

[sebman2112]

Can Ellis play NT at 308?

They don't just need a NT...

I know I didn't answer your question, but I really want you to look into it yourself, as you'll realize they're in the market for players to fill multiple positions on their D-line, and they're thinking of moving one of their current D-linemen to OLB...

 

[bradmahn]

Who's he going to bump down the board?

Chris Long
Jake Long
Glenn Dorsey
Darren McFadden
Sedrick Ellis
Matt Ryan

Also, since when has the second rated DE/OLB been considered a lock to go in the top 6? I'm not saying he can't go in the top 6, but I believe your opinion (and the opinion of some others) is false.

You have it backwards, Gholston's a physical specimen and a raw player, so he needs to put up good/great numbers at the combine, or he could slip into the 8-10 range. The Jets selecting Sedric Ellis makes more sense by the way.

Frankly, I believe a lot of fans overrate him slightly. Yea, he was good in college and he's what you'd consider a physical specimen, but he needs to improve his tech, improve his pass coverage and range, and work on a few other areas of his game. The fact that he's raw could go in his favor (in that teams might be able to mold him), but it could (and probably should) go against his being selected in the top 5-8 picks. I don't like the idea of giving a huge contract to a conversion project who hasn't proved he can be an EVERY down 3-4 OLB.

Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were conversion projects as well, were they not? They were taken 11th and 12th, respectively. If Gholston tears up the work-outs I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a player who had better numbers for a bigger program and is comparable in measurables would be taken four spots higher. I mean, Belichick and Pioli have shown they aren't afraid to take a conversion player ahead of where he was supposed to be picked.

 

[BelichickFan]

Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were conversion projects as well, were they not? They were taken 11th and 12th, respectively. If Gholston tears up the work-outs I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a player who had better numbers for a bigger program and is comparable in measurables would be taken four spots higher. I mean, Belichick and Pioli have shown they aren't afraid to take a conversion player ahead of where he was supposed to be picked.

Who has Belichick taken in the first round who had to change positions ? There's a few small changes due to scheme but nothing like DE to OLB.

No-one is saying Gholston CANNOT go in the top seven - they're just saying it's 50-50 at best that he will and pure folly to say his definitely will.

 

[sebman2112]

Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were conversion projects as well, were they not? They were taken 11th and 12th, respectively. If Gholston tears up the work-outs I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a player who had better numbers for a bigger program and is comparable in measurables would be taken four spots higher. I mean, Belichick and Pioli have shown they aren't afraid to take a conversion player ahead of where he was supposed to be picked.

You actually just proved my point..

I said the poster had it backwards in thinking it would take a bad combine for Gholston to slip past the Jets, and he's not a "lock" to go that high. I think he'll need to show good in LB drills (is he doing them?), and put up good numbers in order for teams to think of taking him that high. I didn't say he couldn't go that high, just that I'd think twice about it, and he'll have to prove his coverage ability is up to snuff before I'd take him that high, as an EVERY down 3-4 OLB.

You're talking about two physical specimens who put up great numbers, and were taken 11th and 12th overall. So, my saying Gholston (the second ranked DE/OLB) isn't a lock to go in the top 6-7 seems a lot more accurate.

What conversion player have the Patriots selected in the top ten, or first round under BB?

Seymour
Watson
Mankins
Wilfork
Graham
Meriweather
Maroney

I can spot at least one semi-conversion on that list (because of the change in scheme and his responsibilities), but he also kind of proves my point. Taking a conversion project in the top 5-10 is a risk, that's why most conversion projects aren't off the board until the second half of the first round. Also, the conversion projects who were taken in the top 10-16 picks were in fact physical freaks, and put up outstanding numbers at the combine.

 

[bradmahn]

Who has Belichick taken in the first round who had to change positions ? There's a few small changes due to scheme but nothing like DE to OLB.

No-one is saying Gholston CANNOT go in the top seven - they're just saying it's 50-50 at best that he will and pure folly to say his definitely will.

Logan Mankins started every game at tackle for Fresno State his senior season and the first time he spent time at guard was in the Senior Bowl.

I don't think he'll go any higher than seventh, maybe sixth to the Jets but they probably have other concerns and it would depend on whether or not the only player left in the "big six" is Ryan. I don't know how scouts feel about Gholston playing DE, but there aren't too many 3-4 teams in the top half of the draft so it's possible he could even drop to the mid teens as well (probably unlikely).

Who knows?

 

[JoePats]

They don't just need a NT...

I know I didn't answer your question, but I really want you to look into it yourself, as you'll realize they're in the market for players to fill multiple positions on their D-line, and they're thinking of moving one of their current D-linemen to OLB...

I don't know if you're talking about Ellis or Thomas. I thought they already moved Thomas but I don't follow them all that closely. I assume you're saying Sed Ellis will go there to play 3-4 end.

 

[bradmahn]

You actually just proved my point..

I said the poster had it backwards in thinking it would take a bad combine for Gholston to slip past the Jets, and he's not a "lock" to go that high. I think he'll need to show good in LB drills (is he doing them?), and put up good numbers in order for teams to think of taking him that high. I didn't say he couldn't go that high, just that I'd think twice about it, and he'll have to prove his coverage ability is up to snuff before I'd take him that high, as an EVERY down 3-4 OLB.

You're talking about two physical specimens who put up great numbers, and were taken 11th and 12th overall. So, my saying Gholston (the second ranked DE/OLB) isn't a lock to go in the top 6-7 seems a lot more accurate.

What conversion player have the Patriots selected in the top ten, or first round under BB?

Seymour
Watson
Mankins
Wilfork
Graham
Meriweather
Maroney

I can spot at least one semi-conversion on that list (because of the change in scheme and his responsibilities), but he also kind of proves my point. Taking a conversion project in the top 5-10 is a risk, that's why most conversion projects aren't off the board until the second half of the first round. Also, the conversion projects who were taken in the top 10-16 picks were in fact physical freaks, and put up outstanding numbers at the combine.

Yeah, I wasn't contesting the assertion that he probably won't go ahead of seventh (see my above post), I was mostly contesting that the Pats wouldn't take him. I think it's a really good possibility.

 

[Doonan24]

Being a huge OSU and Pats fan, I would love to see Gholston on the Pats. However, I just cant convince myself that he fits into their current system. I do not believe he can be easily converted into the next Mike Vrabel. Although they may have put up similar sack numbers at OSU, they did it in different ways and I think Vrabel may have been one of a kind in terms of conversion from DE into a perfect fit in the pats system as a pash rushing OLB. And besides, do we really think the pats are even going to pick at 7?