Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed [10 years, $100M]

[cornhuskers_2002]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

couldn't they just give him 5 years at 6 million/year guaranteed with a bunch of LTBE incentives? with like 3 fake years on the deal at like 12, 14, 18 million or something? Then add some
10 Million dollar roster bonus where he can be cut after year 5.
I don't know if the incentives count against the cap... I basically have no idea what i am talking about but whatever
8 years 84 million is what it would look like on paper

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

I guess the thing is there are lots of mechanisms to use... but you somehow have to get the 30M paid (in this latest formulation). Obviously, this is an opening posture, but still, he's just a good cornerback. Sure we need good corners, but how much do we need them?

Or more to the point, does anybody need one that much, or even close to it?

Eh. This is the kind of thing we talk about for months at a time, and then one day some team has him for 6 years, 15M guaranteed. Numbers tend to crunch down quite a bit once all is said and done.

PFnV

 

[g-fresh]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

guys who are worth that much money don't drop superbowl game-sealing interceptions.

Yep, Champ Bailey makes that catch, so does Cromartie, no way I would shell out mega bucks for a guy who choked when it counted most.

 

[#12]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Can you imagine paying more for your CB than your HOF QB? Well he wasn't lying when he said he wanted to break the bank...looking for that mega deal. Good Luck Asante! Any team that shells out that kind of money or even has that kind of money to give to a CB, is not a contender so I'm not worried.

 

[PittPatriot]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Yep, Champ Bailey makes that catch, so does Cromartie, no way I would shell out mega bucks for a guy who choked when it counted most.

so would Q Jammer. I think SD poses the greatest threat to us by having an outstanding 2ndary and very potent pass rush.
While we won't have a #1 corner next year, I hope we have a more formidable pass rush.

 

[jbb9s]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Patriots should get into the business of extending the players while they are under current contract before they become superstars (or think they are). I know losing Branch worked out for the best because of the Moss/Welker aquisitions, but in principle if guys were extended such as Asante and Branch kind of like Koppen has been, they would have essentially signed lesser contracts. I mean 2 years ago, you could have ripped up Asante's rookie deal and signed him at 5 years / 16 million and this thing would be a non-issue.

 

[nepatz11]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

I Love asante and think he is a very very good CB. Wish he would stay but for those numbers dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. ANyone dumb enough to give him that $ will get what they deserve.

 

[jbb9s]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

so would Q Jammer. I think SD poses the greatest threat to us by having an outstanding 2ndary and very potent pass rush.
While we won't have a #1 corner next year, I hope we have a more formidable pass rush.

With #7 pick, the Patriots could plausibly get the #1 ranked defensive corner back in the draft which if executed properly, would become a #1 corner in a year or so.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

With #7 pick, the Patriots could plausibly get the #1 ranked defensive corner back in the draft which if executed properly, would become a #1 corner in a year or so.

Okay this isn't replying just to you, but to all the other guys saying "Quentin Jammer makes that catch... Antonio Cromartie makes that catch...."

You are correct. I make that catch, say, one out of 1,000 times, because I can't jump worth beans.

Cromartie/Jammer/Your Name Here makes that catch, say, 91.7 percent of the time, or whatever. Asante probably makes that catch about that same percent of the time. He chose a very bad time not to make that catch. However, you will have to demonstrate to me Cromartie or Jammer's super bowl performance record.

It's definitely a "minus" on the Asante side of the ledger. It's a big play in a big game. But this silliness about this guy makes that catch, that guy makes that catch, is just bullcrap.

I don't think Asante's worth the kind of money he wants. basically, no DB is worth that much. Hell, most QBs aren't.

But there's a world of difference between the opening posture and the deal. As a fan, get used to him not being here anyway... a bad team will pay higher than us, and chances are the difference is persuasive.

But he's not gone until someone's written the check.

PFnV

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Patriots should get into the business of extending the players while they are under current contract before they become superstars (or think they are). I know losing Branch worked out for the best because of the Moss/Welker aquisitions, but in principle if guys were extended such as Asante and Branch kind of like Koppen has been, they would have essentially signed lesser contracts. I mean 2 years ago, you could have ripped up Asante's rookie deal and signed him at 5 years / 16 million and this thing would be a non-issue.

They tried that with both but were miles apart even then. Asante is like a lot of players, particularly WR's and CB's who have to have an invincible attitude to do what they do. He said no thanks. You gotta remember, 'Sante was a 4th round pick who hand't made much money but had 2 SB rings and a longstanding chip on his shoulder. Even a tough 2005 season didn't dissuade him. He approached 2006 as his make or break season and he learned to catch those damn balls he used to be all around. And coming off that season he was unsignable. Ditto Branch coming off a short season at the end of which the media decided he and not Brady deserved the credit for his tying Jerry Rice's receptions record in a SB. Oddly, Welker managed that in a loss this season - paired with the same QBand working out of the slot...while Deion has kinda disappeared into the mist in the great Northwest.

The deal they offered him last fall he would have taken in 2005 - but no GM on the planet would have offered him a $6M AAV deal based on his 2005 performance. Based on the spin from his 2006 performance it no longer approached what he now saw inches from his grasp.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Patriots should get into the business of extending the players while they are under current contract before they become superstars (or think they are).

They do when the other side plays along. Koppen did. Light did. Warren did. Sometimes the numbers work out, sometimes they don't. But when a player wants 100% of his value to get a new contract early then that doesn't make sense for the team.

The other consideration - by signing a guy early you often lose his best year - his FA year. If we'd have signed Samuel long term after 2005 do you think he'd have played as well in 2006 ? I don't. And even if you do it, if they outplay that money then they hold out and want another new deal. Like Mo said, the value Samuel with have gotten after 2005 would have looked like chump change IF he played in 2006 the way he did and then he'd have been unhappy again.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

guys who are worth that much money don't drop superbowl game-sealing interceptions.

yes but harrison did not make the play either and he is a HOF sefty and if Clements got 80mil lest yer samuel will get 100mil this samuel is a lot better then Clements some one will pay that crazy money the fins jets or i think san diego

 

[BRiZ]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

hes gunna kill some teams cap lol. hopefully the dolphins or jets. id like to see Samuel try to cover Moss in a game.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

yes but harrison did not make the play either and he is a HOF sefty and if Clements got 80mil lest yer samuel will get 100mil this samuel is a lot better then Clements some one will pay that crazy money the fins jets or i think san diego

I imagine he'll get the money but the point is, he isn't worth it if he can't make the huge play at the huge time. And don't compare him to Harrison who is 34 years old playing for $3M next year.

 

[vyrago]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

hes gunna kill some teams cap lol. hopefully the dolphins or jets. id like to see Samuel try to cover Moss in a game.

Don't you suppose he has, in practice?

 

[BRiZ]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Don't you suppose he has, in practice?

yea but that is practice. If Asante is so good as he claims he is id like to see him shut down Moss one on one in a game. Moss would torch him.

 

[mb6592]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

Why wouldn't he be looking for a better contract than Clements especially a week before free agency starts?

Exactly. I look forward to some ******ed team signing him for boocoo bucks. Him ruining that teams salary structure for the next few years (Jets?), and us plugging someone in who will be just fine. As many have stated, in todays NFL, the cornerback position should not be the focus - PASS RUSH is where its at. All we can do is say to Samuel - so long crabby.

 

[mb6592]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

We'll see what the numbers are once the game is over. This latest burst of hyperbole is his starting position.

I doubt the guaranty goes past $20M.

Christ, why not make it a 20 year 200M contract... I'm sure he'll still be fine in 2028.

PFnV

PFnV, I'm afraid those numbers will never approach a level were serious talks will take place, even after he stops touching himself.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

I mean 2 years ago, you could have ripped up Asante's rookie deal and signed him at 5 years / 16 million and this thing would be a non-issue.

But at that point, 2 years ago, he wasn't all that good period. Even the start of 06, half of the way in, the franchise tag was being talked about, NOT for Asante but for Daniel Graham as a possibility. It is at that point that he really had a great last part of the year and this year, while not as good as the latter half of last year, was still very good. Certainly, I think extensions are needed at times and this team does that, but in this particular case, I think it sounds good now looking back, but at the time, seems a bit silly.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Re: Samuel looking for $30 million guaranteed

I mean 2 years ago, you could have ripped up Asante's rookie deal and signed him at 5 years / 16 million and this thing would be a non-issue.

Not with this turd... no way.

He would do a me (Terry Glenn) jobber, and sit it out.