Will Godell kill the Golden Goose..

[Sean Pa Patriot]

The labor issuie is on the horizon, and if there is no agreement by nov, the owners opt out, and 2010 is a non cap year... Which means 2011 will be a strike or lock out of somesort.. My question is , there have been mixed results on Godell, espcially from us pats fans... Can he prevent the labor issuie from getting to that point, or will he be the one that cant help the end of the salary cap..

And as a fan , how would you feel about a stirke, something we have not had since 87.. I thought players and owners realize that its not something they could have again..Football is my fav sport and the 2 yrs that really sucked as a fan were 82 and 87, I dont know if I could see another strike, and come back with the same vigor, I was young then, now Im not sure im going to have that much forgiveness..

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'd like to see Goodell continue to screw up in every conceivable way. That way, perhaps people will correctly look back on spygate as just one of a series of colossal ****ups on his part

 

[khayos]

Goodell will be out of a job by 2010 was my prediction when Spygate broke.

 

[JoeSixPat]

All of this is of grave concern - MangIdiot started dominoes falling that, thanks in part to Goodell's mismanagement of the situation stand to set the NFL back in a big way.

The list of teams that "cheating" - from stealing signals, spying, filming, taping, hiding salaries, you name it - is a long one that likely will implicate every single team going back to 1955.

Everyone in the NFL knew about it, though the public was largely in the dark - confidence and interest in the game was generally high.

Now, thanks to Mangini, the process is underway to show how ALL teams have long been cheating.

Add to that a potential labor/management impasse and a protracted work stoppage, and the NFL could be irrevocably harmed.

MangIdiot has the potential to go down in history as the man who killed the NFL. I wouldn't even trust him to go back to his ball boy position at this point.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The mistake was made on Tags watch. Too much emphasis on expanding markets and not enough on building concensus among ownership which is really what killed their chances of presenting a united front in 2006 and allowed the Union to step in to that void and make demands that would have been squelched had owners been more focused on the enemy without than the enemy within.

Not sure the bull in the china shop management style Goodell has exhibited doesn't just exacerbate the situation. I know there are those who decry the relationship Tags and Upshaw crafted, but it worked and kept the labor peace for 20 years even if many of the talking heads thought that made the union a doormat. Success is built on concensus, not dissention. The league seems to be fairly polarized and remarkably entrenched at this point. Only takes 7 owners to opt out. But if they do it will likely eventually cost him his job because the commissioner is supposed to do more than arrange games in England and hand out suspensions and fines.

I think he opened a can of worms with PacMan. Ordway was talking about this the other day. Said it's odd that Upshaw has come out in the Patriots court on the spygate crap, yet he was one of the most vocal voices in Goodell's ear about stiffly penalizing them. Not because he felt they deserved it, but because he felt pressured to demand a management punishment in the face of all the player punishments that were occuring with nary a wimper from him. Again, shortsighted goals based on quid pro quo. Let teams weed out the bad apples, and if they won't then maybe punish them as well rather than creating player martyrs. Convince owners that would be the better approach. And work with the union on a prescribed code of conduct for players rather than strong arming the union to accept commissioner tailored subjective punishments that obviously include irrational example setting.

But again, this is what a concensus builder knows how to do. Goodell ain't that guy.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The mistake was made on Tags watch. Too much emphasis on expanding markets and not enough on building concensus among ownership which is really what killed their chances of presenting a united front in 2006 and allowed the Union to step in to that void and make demands that would have been squelched had owners been more focused on the enemy without than the enemy within.

Not sure the bull in the china shop management style Goodell has exhibited doesn't just exacerbate the situation. I know there are those who decry the relationship Tags and Upshaw crafted, but it worked and kept the labor peace for 20 years even if many of the talking heads thought that made the union a doormat. Success is built on concensus, not dissention. The league seems to be fairly polarized and remarkably entrenched at this point. Only takes 7 owners to opt out. But if they do it will likely eventually cost him his job because the commissioner is supposed to do more than arrange games in England and hand out suspensions and fines.

I think he opened a can of worms with PacMan. Ordway was talking about this the other day. Said it's odd that Upshaw has come out in the Patriots court on the spygate crap, yet he was one of the most vocal voices in Goodell's ear about stiffly penalizing them. Not because he felt they deserved it, but because he felt pressured to demand a management punishment in the face of all the player punishments that were occuring with nary a wimper from him. Again, shortsighted goals based on quid pro quo. Let teams weed out the bad apples, and if they won't then maybe punish them as well rather than creating player martyrs. Convince owners that would be the better approach. And work with the union on a prescribed code of conduct for players rather than strong arming the union to accept commissioner tailored subjective punishments that obviously include irrational example setting.

But again, this is what a concensus builder knows how to do. Goodell ain't that guy.

you make a lot of good points.

the owners are truly divided into multiple camps and it isn't healthy. there are big market owners who would just as soon see the CBA explode (snyder and jones) because they are ticked off at small market owners who won't maximize their revenues by taking their names off their stadiums and improving their marketing (bengals and bills), there are small market owners who don't want to rock the boat because they need the current arrangement to survivie (nashville, jax, indy and others) and there are big market owners like bob kraft who try to compromise and hold the deal together. with every attack on what he has built, kraft's incentive to compromise diminishes. the pats will do just fine in a capless environment.

you also make an interesting point on Pacman. What if Goodell had just allowed the NFL to police itself (same thing would apply to Vick)? If a team can succeed on the field and with its fans while employing hoodlums, why does the league care? why not let the players and the NFLPA sort this out?

 

[PonyExpress]

The mistake was made on Tags watch. Too much emphasis on expanding markets and not enough on building concensus among ownership which is really what killed their chances of presenting a united front in 2006 and allowed the Union to step in to that void and make demands that would have been squelched had owners been more focused on the enemy without than the enemy within.

Not sure the bull in the china shop management style Goodell has exhibited doesn't just exacerbate the situation. I know there are those who decry the relationship Tags and Upshaw crafted, but it worked and kept the labor peace for 20 years even if many of the talking heads thought that made the union a doormat. Success is built on concensus, not dissention. The league seems to be fairly polarized and remarkably entrenched at this point. Only takes 7 owners to opt out. But if they do it will likely eventually cost him his job because the commissioner is supposed to do more than arrange games in England and hand out suspensions and fines.

I think he opened a can of worms with PacMan. Ordway was talking about this the other day. Said it's odd that Upshaw has come out in the Patriots court on the spygate crap, yet he was one of the most vocal voices in Goodell's ear about stiffly penalizing them. Not because he felt they deserved it, but because he felt pressured to demand a management punishment in the face of all the player punishments that were occuring with nary a wimper from him. Again, shortsighted goals based on quid pro quo. Let teams weed out the bad apples, and if they won't then maybe punish them as well rather than creating player martyrs. Convince owners that would be the better approach. And work with the union on a prescribed code of conduct for players rather than strong arming the union to accept commissioner tailored subjective punishments that obviously include irrational example setting.

But again, this is what a concensus builder knows how to do. Goodell ain't that guy.

Brilliant post.

 

[Disco Volante]

According to Forbes, we rank at a very respectable 3 in terms of team value.

Not sure what that is exactly based on, but I'm guessing that'd mean we'd have the third highest amount of money to spend each year in a non-capped NFL, and the most in the AFC? If that's the case, then I'm all for it.

1 Washington Redskins
2 Dallas Cowboys
3 New England Patriots
4 Philadelphia Eagles
5 Houston Texans
6 Denver Broncos
7 Cleveland Browns
8 Carolina Panthers
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10 Chicago Bears
11 Baltimore Ravens
12 Miami Dolphins
13 Green Bay Packers
14 Tennessee Titans
15 Seattle Seahawks
16 Pittsburgh Steelers
17 New York Giants
18 Detroit Lions
19 Kansas City Chiefs
20 St Louis Rams
21 New York Jets
22 New Orleans Saints
23 Cincinnati Bengals
24 Indianapolis Colts
25 Buffalo Bills
26 San Francisco 49ers
27 Jacksonville Jaguars
28 Atlanta Falcons
29 San Diego Chargers
30 Oakland Raiders
31 Arizona Cardinals
32 Minnesota Vikings

 

[Keegs]

Goodell can't even tie his damn shoes correctly without causing a scandel in the nfl.

I doubt he could kill anything... that would require some form of heart.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

According to Forbes, we rank at a very respectable 3 in terms of team value.

Not sure what that is exactly based on, but I'm guessing that'd mean we'd have the third highest amount of money to spend each year in a non-capped NFL, and the most in the AFC? If that's the case, then I'm all for it.

Revenue as opposed to valuation would be the amount to spend each year in a non-capped league. And that would actually have to be revenue after debt service, since we are still paying for our stadium and lots of other owners aren't. And ours only holds 68,000 compared to upwards of 90,000 in DC and some of the newest venues. Bob has deep pockets, but he doesn't have the mentality to underwrite a hobby business operating otherwise in the red. Guys like Jones and Snyder and perhaps even Allen and some others potentially do if not constricted by a cap. The other thing to keep in mind is those franchise values will begin to decline, some dramatically, if the collective and revenue sharing go bye-bye. And that simply represents what you could sell the operation for in the present business environment. Kraft would IMO be more inclined to opt out before that value diminished drastically, because he and we already have some rings. Remember back when he articulated to Bill that one of his growing concerns was if we couldn't win without signing thugs and hoodlums then he'd just as soon spend his investment dollars elsewhere.

 

[#12]

The labor issuie is on the horizon, and if there is no agreement by nov, the owners opt out, and 2010 is a non cap year... Which means 2011 will be a strike or lock out of somesort.. My question is , there have been mixed results on Godell, espcially from us pats fans... Can he prevent the labor issuie from getting to that point, or will he be the one that cant help the end of the salary cap..

And as a fan , how would you feel about a stirke, something we have not had since 87.. I thought players and owners realize that its not something they could have again..Football is my fav sport and the 2 yrs that really sucked as a fan were 82 and 87, I dont know if I could see another strike, and come back with the same vigor, I was young then, now Im not sure im going to have that much forgiveness..

I would HATE to see a strike...especially during any year where Brady is the QB of the patriots. We need to take advantage of what we have been blessed with and I would hate to see a year/opportunity get wasted bc of this situation. However, I don't trust Goodell to do a good job because nothing to this point has shown me he is capable of being the commish...

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Again a yr like we had this yr was few and far between.. That is why we needed a championship..

 

[mcgraw_wv]

I assume he will quickly gather all the needs, and requests from the Players Union, and the Owners, destroy them and then fine Bill Belichick.

 

[QuiGon]

The labor issuie is on the horizon, and if there is no agreement by nov, the owners opt out, and 2010 is a non cap year... Which means 2011 will be a strike or lock out of somesort.. My question is , there have been mixed results on Godell, espcially from us pats fans... Can he prevent the labor issuie from getting to that point, or will he be the one that cant help the end of the salary cap..

And as a fan , how would you feel about a stirke, something we have not had since 87.. I thought players and owners realize that its not something they could have again..Football is my fav sport and the 2 yrs that really sucked as a fan were 82 and 87, I dont know if I could see another strike, and come back with the same vigor, I was young then, now Im not sure im going to have that much forgiveness..

I think that if such a major event happened today, ESPN (and perhaps the internet too) would spontaneously explode.