Anthony Gonzalez vs. Chad Jackson

[BadMoFo]

based off what..um facts? Its clear that hes got all the tools over Gonzalez basically.

Not only do i need to bring out the Combine #s but you can tell whos faster either way

Gonzalez ran like a 4.4? Jackson a 4.32

Jackson also had like a 39" vertical.

no1 heres gonna deny that Jackson has everything he needs to be a premier WR in league..its all playbook and durability that held him back.

If this was the Combine, I'd take Jackson.
Playing football games, give me Gonzalez.

 

[danny88]

i think they have the same amount of career TDs while Gonzalez was a starter majority of year and while he did miss some games, not nearly as much as Chad

Chad Jackson at this point is a combine wonder who has done zero in the NFL. There is no comparison between Gonzo and Jackson , because Gonzo has succeded in his first year in the NFL. Career td's? Lets look at receptions, yards, games played etc etc. Not even close.

Durabilty issues are a flaw. Not being smart enough to pick up a playbook is a flaw. Havign a bad attitude is a flaw. There would be a bunch of great players running around if they could stay healthy but they cant so they aren't.


Bottom line is Jackson has been a dissapointmet thus far , and Gonzo made an impact from day one.

 

[BelichickFan]

Jackson's been on the team for two years going on three and hasn't had any impact on the team (other than the money he's getting while on IR).

Why mention "going on three" when year three hasn't started. And why mention "two" when he missed year two with a torn ACL ?

You are factually correct but totally misleading. If Gonzalez tore his ACL a month ago how do you think his second season would go ?

 

[danny88]

Why mention "going on three" when year three hasn't started. And why mention "two" when he missed year two with a torn ACL ?

You are factually correct but totally misleading. If Gonzalez tore his ACL a month ago how do you think his second season would go ?

Why are you making excuses? Botttom line = Chad Jackson has done nothing.

 

[oldskool138]

Why mention "going on three" when year three hasn't started. And why mention "two" when he missed year two with a torn ACL ?

You are factually correct but totally misleading. If Gonzalez tore his ACL a month ago how do you think his second season would go ?

Well, he has been under the employ of the New England Patriots for the last two years. What else do you want me to go off of?

 

[BelichickFan]

Well, he has been under the employ of the New England Patriots for the last two years. What else do you want me to go off of?

So what, he had a torn ACL. I suppose that's his fault ? A non entity of a second year is meaningless when it was due to an injury. I would trade him for Gonzalez, I'm not saying I wouldn't; but let's not pile on for no reason.

 

[Remix 6]

Chad Jackson at this point is a combine wonder who has done zero in the NFL. There is no comparison between Gonzo and Jackson , because Gonzo has succeded in his first year in the NFL. Career td's? Lets look at receptions, yards, games played etc etc. Not even close.

Durabilty issues are a flaw. Not being smart enough to pick up a playbook is a flaw. Havign a bad attitude is a flaw. There would be a bunch of great players running around if they could stay healthy but they cant so they aren't.


Bottom line is Jackson has been a dissapointmet thus far , and Gonzo made an impact from day one.

thats why if u look @ him his rookie year at mini camp and the time he got during the season, you can come to same conclusion. he made some great grabs, beat a speedy CB in Terrence McGee deep, crawled on all 4s to score. He showed it on the field when he got on. Last year..i doubt Gonzalez would've gotten playing time either

 

[Remix 6]

Show me some game footage of big plays made by both guys. That's what really counts. Hell, Bethel Johnson is/was fast. Impressively so but can't catch or run routes.

Jackson's been on the team for two years going on three and hasn't had any impact on the team (other than the money he's getting while on IR).

k go to Patriots.com and go find highlights of Jets game 1, Vikings game, Bills game,

cant catch? the dudes hands were never the question. he won best hands award for a reason and he showed coaches his ability in mini camp, practice, etc

route running..yes it was a question. playbook..he admit he didnt learn it rookie year.

 

[Ring 6]

Chad Jackson at this point is a combine wonder who has done zero in the NFL. There is no comparison between Gonzo and Jackson , because Gonzo has succeded in his first year in the NFL. Career td's? Lets look at receptions, yards, games played etc etc. Not even close.

Durabilty issues are a flaw. Not being smart enough to pick up a playbook is a flaw. Havign a bad attitude is a flaw. There would be a bunch of great players running around if they could stay healthy but they cant so they aren't.


Bottom line is Jackson has been a dissapointmet thus far , and Gonzo made an impact from day one.

I dont think anyone is arguing on career to date, thats ridiculous.
But,there are volumes and volumes of players, especially at the Wr position who never leave the gate, esp when injuries are part of the issue, for 2 years, then develop into very good ones, and just as many that were adequate early on, like Gonz, but never become much more.

 

[Ring 6]

Why are you making excuses? Botttom line = Chad Jackson has done nothing.

That is the given, no one is or would argue otherwise.
I think this thread is about seeing what Gonzalez did with the opportunites he had, and projecting what Jackson may do if and when he gets the opportunity.
Its fair to say that his track record suggests he will never earn the opportunity, or discuss weakneses he may have, but responding to the question of his future by what he has accomplished so far, with injuires keeping him off the field is pointless.

 

[PittPatriot]

I think he meant '06 - he couldn't possibly have meant '07; if that's the case, last year was Cassell's big chance too

Thanks for clarifying my statement...you are right, I did mean 2006.
I don't when when the official season starts but since we don't even have a schedule for NEXT YEAR...I call 18-1 THIS YEAR and the AFCCG Debacle LAST YEAR.

Having said that, even on limited health, CJ should have been able to get back into the lineup at some point despite the Gabriels, Caldwells, and Gaffneys. Now, he his only chance of being anything beyond a #4 receiver is (God Forbid) an injury to #81, #83, or #86.

 

[Roidney73]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...g?articleid=1075237&srvc=sports&position=also

 

[BradyManny]

route running..yes it was a question. playbook..he admit he didnt learn it rookie year.

I agree with everything you said re: CJ, except I'd like to reiterate the fact that route running was a strength considered coming into the draft, as was his ability to learn offensive system(s) given what he did in his Soph and Junior year.

Those have only become questions in the past two injury plagued seasons. One healthy TC is all its going to take and this kid could be a huge threat, and a much more complete and versatile WR than Stallworth.

 

[bradmahn]

Thanks for clarifying my statement...you are right, I did mean 2006.
I don't when when the official season starts but since we don't even have a schedule for NEXT YEAR...I call 18-1 THIS YEAR and the AFCCG Debacle LAST YEAR.

Having said that, even on limited health, CJ should have been able to get back into the lineup at some point despite the Gabriels, Caldwells, and Gaffneys. Now, he his only chance of being anything beyond a #4 receiver is (God Forbid) an injury to #81, #83, or #86.

What does Dave Thomas have to do with Chad Jackson getting playing time at WR?

If the Patriots re-sign Randy Moss (as we all assume will happen), they will have Randy, Wes Welker, and... uh... Wes Welker, penciled in as starters. Chad Jackson has a great opportunity to win a spot as either the third or fourth receiver behind Randy and Wes (the three and four last season, Stallworth and Gaffney, played a lot and caught 47 and 36 balls, respectively). Jackson will get playing time this year, may even be a starter in three receiver sets, and after he has had any semblance of a healthy training camp and playing time (two things his career he has not had to this point), then can we judge him.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Speed: Jackson
Strength: Jackson
Routes: Gonzalez
Playmaking Ability: Jackson
Athleticism: Jackson
Hands: Jackson

Jackson has the ability to be 1 of the best in NFL..if he stays healthy and has the playbook in check

I second this. SPOT ON

 

[PittPatriot]

k go to Patriots.com and go find highlights of Jets game 1, Vikings game, Bills game,

cant catch? the dudes hands were never the question. he won best hands award for a reason and he showed coaches his ability in mini camp, practice, etc

route running..yes it was a question. playbook..he admit he didnt learn it rookie year.

He has exceptional hands. Some guys catch with their body (Watson), some guys cradle it in (Gaff vs. Baltimore) and some guys have suction (Moss and Jackson).
I was sitting in the endzone corner when Jackson made that TD catch vs. the Jets in September 2006. Brady threw a rocket that was high and tight and Jackson sucked it down on the leap. It was beautiful...

 

[PittPatriot]

What does Dave Thomas have to do with Chad Jackson getting playing time at WR?

Sorry, I meant #10...cut/paste error.

 

[BradyToMoss]

He has exceptional hands. Some guys catch with their body (Watson), some guys cradle it in (Gaff vs. Baltimore) and some guys have suction (Moss and Jackson).
I was sitting in the endzone corner when Jackson made that TD catch vs. the Jets in September 2006. Brady threw a rocket that was high and tight and Jackson sucked it down on the leap. It was beautiful...

Chad Jackson is going to absolutely explode in this offense, I am so excited to finally see this kid unleash the size, speed and talent.

Still remember the pass he caught out in the flat against Minnesota where he turned, broke 3 tackles and dove into paydirt for 6, I remember the corner route into the endzone in Buffalo for 6 when his defender was not even in the same zip code. I remember the endzone slant against the Jets for 6 where again, the defender was not even remotely close to him. He can separate, break tackles and explode, I cannot wait to see him with a full camp under his belt lining up next to Moss with Welker in the slot.

The sky is the limit for this kid and the kicker is that he wants to be out on that field so bad and once he's out there, he's going to show us all what we've been missing because of his unfortunate injuries.

 

[bradmahn]

Sorry, I meant #10...cut/paste error.

Gaffney's technically not on the team anymore. Even if he was, and he were the "#3," I stand by the statement that he and Stallworth had comparable seasons last year, in playing time and production, especially the way the team used four receiver sets.

 

[mb6592]

Chad Jackson at this point is a combine wonder who has done zero in the NFL. There is no comparison between Gonzo and Jackson , because Gonzo has succeded in his first year in the NFL. Career td's? Lets look at receptions, yards, games played etc etc. Not even close.

Durabilty issues are a flaw. Not being smart enough to pick up a playbook is a flaw. Havign a bad attitude is a flaw. There would be a bunch of great players running around if they could stay healthy but they cant so they aren't.


Bottom line is Jackson has been a dissapointmet thus far , and Gonzo made an impact from day one.

Exactly, why is this being debated? pure silliness....