My Prediction on Walsh

[Metaphors]

Check out the indemnification agreement from the NFL vs. the agreement sought by Walsh's attorney. Everyone focuses on the "truthfulness" clause as being the hangup. Totally bogus. If Walsh took the NFL agreement today and told the truth, anyone who wanted to sue him would have to prove damages and (beyond a reasonable doubt) that he lied...which would be impossible to do.

However, there are two other differences between the agreements:

1) Walsh is only covered for testimony to Specter and Goodell (explicitly called out in the agreement)
2) Walsh must give up all materials and swear that he doesn't have anything else

The agreement from Walsh's lawyer doesn't mention either of these points. He can talk to anyone and gets to keep his stuff. If all Walsh wants to do is get the truth out safely, under the NFL agreement he can testify and give materials directly to Specter. No way will Specter allows the materials to be destroyed or covered up. Who would even try to go after Walsh when Congress has his back? Nobody.

So why doesn't Walsh take the NFL agreement? Because it prevents him from making a dime off anything he knows from his time with the Pats. Money is the only reason why Walsh injected himself into this situation and the potential for money is the reason why the lawyers are involved. Simple as that.

If the NFL gives him the indemnification he seeks, he will testify that the Pats knowingly taped the opponents signals since 2000 or some other info that is either obvious or already known. After leaving Goodell's office, he will immediately start the rounds on any news show that will pay him to appear. A couple of months later, "I, Spy. An Inside Story of the Rise and Fall of the Patriots" will be available on amazon.com. He will be able to say anything without legal consequence.

This is why the NFL won't improve their indemnification offer. This is also why Walsh will never agree to testify. And the world will go right on a-spinnin...

 

[IcyPatriot]

Walsh should have just sold the tape for cash.

But he didn't sell it for cash.

That's what I want to know ... why didn't he just sell it?

Because perhaps he does not have it.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Walsh should have just sold the tape for cash.

But he didn't sell it for cash.

That's what I want to know ... why didn't he just sell it?

Because perhaps he does not have it.

Here's another thought that I haven't seen written before (if it has my apologies in advance). SB 36 was the first Super Bowl post 9/11 and security was at an all time high. Remember tickets could be had on the day of the Super Bowl for face value, People were fearful of another attack and there were security people everywhere on the lookout. I find it hard to believe that in that atmosphere he would have been able to film the opposing team without being approached and questioned.
Just my $0.02,

 

[spacecrime]

FOS means Full of Sh*t. The Kraft's money is made in paper products not football. They are not weakneed-fillin the blanks who will let their intrests be walked over by Football Neo-Nazis

Yeah, you're right because when the NFL tried to take away a first round pick, Kraft wouldn't stand for it, and he ... he ... whoops ... well, there goes your whole argument. I guess this makes you an FOS POS

 

[Metaphors]

Walsh should have just sold the tape for cash.

But he didn't sell it for cash.

That's what I want to know ... why didn't he just sell it?

Because perhaps he does not have it.

Because that would leave a cash trail back to him as the source of the video. He would either end up in the clink or at least lose every dime he has.

However, he could have anonymously leaked portions of the Rams walkthrough with no possibility of tracing back to him. Specter would have an orgasm and Goodell would be forced into playing ball on Walsh's terms.

So I agree that anything Walsh has would not qualify as a "bombshell"...

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Because that would leave a cash trail back to him as the source of the video. He would either end up in the clink or at least lose every dime he has.

However, he could have anonymously leaked portions of the Rams walkthrough with no possibility of tracing back to him. Specter would have an orgasm and Goodell would be forced into playing ball on Walsh's terms.

So I agree that anything Walsh has would not qualify as a "bombshell"...

he should have used PayPal

 

[SVN]

Well, supposedly, Goodell interviewed several Pats employees who specifically denied these rumors. It's also possible that what he has is simply stuff that was in the Pats' notes, but no longer on the tapes (big whoop).

But, as has been said before, the only way there will be further punishment is if Goodell determines that the Pats lied to him--unless he wants to be viewed as a liar.

well..the fact is ..by now walsh also would realize this. And there are more people who will and want to believe walsh than the pats , whatever he says. Everyone just is giving lip service that they want to hear if walsh has anything. Iam quite sure if he even names BB for anything they will want to believe him. Remember how this whole crap started. Everyone assumed BB did it as long as he has been in NE. But somehow the fact that he told goodell that he has so made everyone react in surprise as if they didnt know.
i remember when this story broke people like easterbrook said BB would resign and when it didnt happen he hinted in his columns that he was working on something. apparently he provided the name of walsh to mike fish.
This freaking media controls everything sadly and right now they want BB's head.
Gene upshaw says today , videotaping cant have any affect on the game . Where the **** was he in september ? BB and pats have no support whatsoever even though any sane person would know that the tape had minimal effect on a game for which BB has been punished.
so goodell can say its the same notes and tapes or whatever walsh gives he had known at that time. But now idiots like king want to see the tape or whatever walsh has. None of these morons yelled to see the jets tape until fox leaked it.
Goodell did the right thing by destroying the tapes but right now he has a bigger fight with the media in his hands. And i am surprised media hasnt brought up the vick and pacman jones comparison again for the nth time and how goodell has not been fair. Dr Z already mentioned this week that goodell and kraft's relationship makes this an eyewash. This media will go to any dirty extent to see the story they want to sell and @#@##% ESPN leads that group along with people like Faulk and warner who have played this game at the highest level.
Sadly i think if BB was suspended for even 1 game during the season, this would not have come up,just my 2 cents. His PR is costing him this -no means i want him to change but its a fact. Parcells played with the media all the time but still he had his people in the media who always said only +ve things about him inspite of the many -ve things he couldve done.
We all are always annoyed with the media all the time but this episode has me disgusted. Maybe iam biased because iam a pats fan .

 

[patpatriot]

Of course you do, but just refrain from being a dlck again, and we can call it even.

will do....Sorry. But at times you are still FOS. Sorry about that too.

 

[jlstorr]

lol, I think it's funny that your questioning whether he can afford a "High priced DC Attorney"

Same way Drew Peterson, and any other person in the spotlight gets a high priced lawyer. He's a walking goldmine right now, who's potential FAR outweighs the risk. Lawyers typically have an alloted amount of time for "civic service" where they offer their time for free to people who can't afford it. If this lawyer wins he charges Walsh a premium and makes out like a bandit, if not he still makes a name for himself.

Don't worry, if any of you are ever poor as dirt, yet have a case that catches the publics interest, you too will find "high priced council" for free

 

[patpatriot]

lol, I think it's funny that your questioning whether he can afford a "High priced DC Attorney"

Same way Drew Peterson, and any other person in the spotlight gets a high priced lawyer. He's a walking goldmine right now, who's potential FAR outweighs the risk. Lawyers typically have an alloted amount of time for "civic service" where they offer their time for free to people who can't afford it. If this lawyer wins he charges Walsh a premium and makes out like a bandit, if not he still makes a name for himself.

Don't worry, if any of you are ever poor as dirt, yet have a case that catches the publics interest, you too will find "high priced council" for free

Thanks! Good to know!

 

[PatriotsReign]

Correct. He's seeking indemnification, not immunity.

He wants all his legal expenses to be paid by the NFL from here to eternity. That would provide all sorts of options to make money from his sorry story of lies.

BTW, how can a guy who sets up tee times afford a high priced D.C. attorney?

How come nobody in the media is asking that basic question?

Good question! Why don't we MAKE them? We could easily flood a couple of our "good-guy" media types with requests for help....Let's start with Reiss.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[PatriotsReign]

I agree with SVN. I believe this is going to get worse. The whole thing feels calculated to me. Add me to the list wondering how Walsh got a high priced DC attorney.

Let's understand that Goodell with not be able to hand down any further punishment without absolute evidence. I know this is not a court of law, but Goodell is going to have to act according to the law.

Of course he won't be able to just say, "In my opinion, the Patriots are guilty". That in itself would make a laughing-stock of the NFL and he won't/can't risk that. The evidence in the original spygate was absolute and this is going to have to be judged in the same manner.

Folks, don't think for a minute the media is going to influence this in the least. Remember, there's a whole can of worms just waiting to be released by the Patriots if this thing gets out of hand. And the NFL just can't afford that.

You guys worry WAY too much.

When I think back on many of our member's (over) reaction to the Moss incident, it reminds me of how we blow things out of proportion in a direct proportion to the level of media coverage. That is called "The sky is falling" response. Was the Moss issue ever a big deal? No, it NEVER was, yet many here acted as if they were Chicken Little himself.

I really wish our members would stop hitting the "panic-button" so often. Just like the Moss incident, the main person "holding the goods" is a questionable character at best. In all seriousness, if we read through the facts thus far, there is nothing to be worried about. Most are reacting to the level of coverage rather than the quality of its content.

To date, nothing has been written for us to worry about.

 

[PatriotsReign]

well..the fact is ..by now walsh also would realize this. And there are more people who will and want to believe walsh than the pats , whatever he says. Everyone just is giving lip service that they want to hear if walsh has anything. Iam quite sure if he even names BB for anything they will want to believe him. Remember how this whole crap started. Everyone assumed BB did it as long as he has been in NE. But somehow the fact that he told goodell that he has so made everyone react in surprise as if they didnt know.
i remember when this story broke people like easterbrook said BB would resign and when it didnt happen he hinted in his columns that he was working on something. apparently he provided the name of walsh to mike fish.
This freaking media controls everything sadly and right now they want BB's head.
Gene upshaw says today , videotaping cant have any affect on the game . Where the **** was he in september ? BB and pats have no support whatsoever even though any sane person would know that the tape had minimal effect on a game for which BB has been punished.
so goodell can say its the same notes and tapes or whatever walsh gives he had known at that time. But now idiots like king want to see the tape or whatever walsh has. None of these morons yelled to see the jets tape until fox leaked it.
Goodell did the right thing by destroying the tapes but right now he has a bigger fight with the media in his hands. And i am surprised media hasnt brought up the vick and pacman jones comparison again for the nth time and how goodell has not been fair. Dr Z already mentioned this week that goodell and kraft's relationship makes this an eyewash. This media will go to any dirty extent to see the story they want to sell and @#@##% ESPN leads that group along with people like Faulk and warner who have played this game at the highest level.
Sadly i think if BB was suspended for even 1 game during the season, this would not have come up,just my 2 cents. His PR is costing him this -no means i want him to change but its a fact. Parcells played with the media all the time but still he had his people in the media who always said only +ve things about him inspite of the many -ve things he couldve done.
We all are always annoyed with the media all the time but this episode has me disgusted. Maybe iam biased because iam a pats fan .

The media will not influence the outcome of any investigation..."IF" there is any investigation. Please SVN, you give the media too much power when in reality, they have none at all unless we give it to them.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yeah, you're right because when the NFL tried to take away a first round pick, Kraft wouldn't stand for it, and he ... he ... whoops ... well, there goes your whole argument. I guess this makes you an FOS POS

Sorry pal, but pat is right, Kraft will not allow this circus to hurt his team. He is one of the most powerful owner in the league, that is a fact. And if this gets out of hand, Kraft WILL "release the hounds" and it will not be pretty.

P.S. I am not FOS nor have I ever been FOS. So I suggest you just wait & watch.

 

[DarrylS]

My take on this whole this is that it is BS, one of the things overlooked at this time is the high security at this SB as it was right after 9-11.. not sure that this rogue videographer would have free reign all over the superbowl..

Prior to the last SB the TV panel, forget who, said that not much could be learned from a walkthrough even if it was taped. Without regard if he did do it it was not known to BB.. these guys are not stupid and if there was a stone not turned over, they would have resolved this.

I suspect that if this goes much further Bob Kraft will exert his influence on the NFL and political sphere and somehow it fades into the sunset.

Goodell made a rush to judgement, and how does he know whether or not the tapes handed over to his office are different than the ones that Matt Walsh allegedly has. Have felt all along that the reason they were destroyed so quickly as they showed other incidences of the same thing by other teams..

 

[vyrago]

That means that Pats could still sue him but the NFL would have to cover and payments, etc. Am I correct in this? Is this anyone else's take or am I way off.

Hmmmmm. $750,000 sounds like a nice round number.

 

[BlitzFritz]

Another Walsh theory

I like Andy Johnsons theory...it fits the facts well.

How about this one tho.
- The Pats filmed everyone as much as or better than the rest of the league.
- They did film the Rams walkthru, as if that would really help more than the first few plays.

Belichick and Pioli engage in rapid damage control.
- i couldnt pick walsh out of a line up
- i have never authorized or seen a walkthru (must have been some renegade doing it on his own!)
- we fired Walsh when he was taping conversation (AHA - Walsh IS the renegade..)

I think Walsh will come forward and show some BAD ****. I personally think this is all totally overblown, but the media has got it all going now.

I would not be surprised if Kraft is spending money on the very best lawyers and PR men now to contain and isolate Walsh.


Just a paranoid theory, boys.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Another Walsh theory

No. Don't buy it.

That would make Pioli and Belichick into liars. Belichick's statem,ent was an absolute. If Walsh had made a film--authorized or unauthorized--Belichick would have at least heard about it.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Re: Another Walsh theory

No. Don't buy it.

That would make Pioli and Belichick into liars. Belichick's statem,ent was an absolute. If Walsh had made a film--authorized or unauthorized--Belichick would have at least heard about it.

I just don't see BB as a liar. Defiant? Yes. but absolutely not a liar.

 

[otis p. driftwood]

Re: Another Walsh theory

Not buying your little theory.

And btw--it's not really paranoid. A paranoid theory would be if you tried to tell us Polian had hired Walsh, groomed him when he was in high school to do what he's doing today.

I hate people who aspire to paranoid when they aren't.