Will Seymour ever be 100% again?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You're not using your head. We have a 28 year old player perfect for our defense, not replaceable who has immediately gone from a rookie to one of the top defensive players in the league.

He's played through injuries and is coming off a difficult recovery and missed some games.

Let's cut every all pro in the prime of his career that has an injury.

Brady might never walk without a limp, let's cut him now.

Seriously, read your own post. Imagine Mangini picking up Seymour and us never replacing him.

Why don't you concentrate on positions that need upgrading instead of bashing injured players? It's so easy to be puerile.

Why not use that thing between your shoulders for something other than a hat rack?

Why are you so paranoid about the Jets picking up anyone? - They would still suck no matter who is on that team,the coach blows and pennington/clemens aint worth a damn

and BTW - Flattery will get you nowhere but thanks for the lovely compliments.....

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I think it's important to remember that, even when you come back from an injury like his, you're still going to be out of shape. Let's give him this offseason work out hard and come back fit, and hopefully that'll be the answer. The same applies for Chad Jackson and Maroney- hopefully the former can break into the rotation and the latter can continue to develop into a legitimately scary RB.

And to everyone who is saying that the Pats should cut him to save money, that's just idiotic. Seymour is the kind of guy that you save money for. He's the perfect end for Belichick's D, and the idea that any of you think that cutting him would be a reasonable solution seriously makes me wonder about you. When a player is PUPed for the first half of the year, and almost put on IR, of course he isn't going to come back at 100%, just like he obviously won't have been 100% before the surgery.

NOWHERE did I say the Patriots should cut Seymour but I DO think that he is overpaid and is not worth the big contract he got and his injury excuses grow thinner every season,and guess what - He is also injury prone

But I never said to trade him - Unless an irresistable trade would be made and I don't think it will happen but I do think once his contract runs out he will be in another uniform but thats years away from now.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Why are you so paranoid about the Jets picking up anyone? - They would still suck no matter who is on that team,the coach blows and pennington/clemens aint worth a damn

and BTW - Flattery will get you nowhere but thanks for the lovely compliments.....

Are you an idiot? actually, scratch that, clearly you are. Put Seymour on the Jets' D and, with a little bit of luck in the personnel department, you have a pretty good team on your hands. Even worse, you could put Seymour on the Browns and have a legitimately scary, possibly SB-caliber team on your hands. And even beyond that, what would be more important is that we wouldn't have Seymour, which would downgrade our D significantly. Your justification is just stupid.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Are you an idiot? actually, scratch that, clearly you are. Put Seymour on the Jets' D and, with a little bit of luck in the personnel department, you have a pretty good team on your hands. Even worse, you could put Seymour on the Browns and have a legitimately scary, possibly SB-caliber team on your hands. And even beyond that, what would be more important is that we wouldn't have Seymour, which would downgrade our D significantly. Your justification is just stupid.

Like the other poster above,Thanks for the compliment but flattery will get you nowhere.....

 

[IcyPatriot]

As we all know ... Seymour is not really a DE and his injury made him look even less so. Personally I don't see how a less than 100% Seymour can be effective in the 3-4. My opinion on what the future holds for Seymour and the Patriots will be this FA season and the draft. If Belichick gears up for more 4-3 then we'll know where Seymour stands. A 90% Seymour playing DT in in the 4-3 is still better than most of the DL's in the league. If Belichick just builds up the LB position I would say Belichick sees Seymour close to 100% for next season.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I think that really depends on your definition of a 'real' DE. Seymour definitely does perform his job within the 3-4 (and, if he didn't, Jarvis Green, who is an excellent DE in his own right, would be playing ahead of him). He's definitely not a 4-3 DE, obviously, but most 4-3 DEs aren't 'real DEs' by 3-4 standards either. Seymour definitely couldn't play DE for the Colts, but neither would Freeney last 2 minutes as a DE for the Pats.

 

[otis p. driftwood]

OK Homer We will just give him till 2013 to recover from his injury or maybe we will just extend his contract when it expires hoping the injury is not a 10 year one - Are you happy now? The answers get more brilliant every day,must be Super Bowl hangover or chronic naive from birth

Why is it that if anyone disagrees with you--and offers reasons why--they're a "homer"?

Really, what's that about? Can't it just be that someone has a different opinion than you? And what is it about yourself that makes you think you're the only one who's right?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Seymour is signed through 2009.

He will be back with the Pats next year because the cap hit is too great to
trade him for picks or "release him (out of the question)".

If he does not bounce back in 2008 they are going to have to adress this
issue. There are a lot of teams who would be willing to trade for a 75% Seymour in 2009.

Richard is all about Richard. He has never been the Bruschi type to take
less to play for the Patriots. He was willing to sit out rather than play under the franchise tag a few years back. I have no doubt that he will be looking for top dollars when his contract is done following the 2009 season.

If Seymour does not bounce back next season, we should look to move him
for a high pick prior to the 2009 season.

Performance on the field in 2008 is what matters. Not the prior pro-bowls.
If we used the prior probowls logic, Bledsoe would still be our quarterback.

 

[RayClay]

his injury excuses grow thinner every season

You're saying he had his knee operated on so he'd have an excuse?

 

[RayClay]

Seymour is signed through 2009.

He will be back with the Pats next year because the cap hit is too great to
trade him for picks or "release him (out of the question)".

If he does not bounce back in 2008 they are going to have to adress this
issue. There are a lot of teams who would be willing to trade for a 75% Seymour in 2009.

Richard is all about Richard. He has never been the Bruschi type to take
less to play for the Patriots. He was willing to sit out rather than play under the franchise tag a few years back. I have no doubt that he will be looking for top dollars when his contract is done following the 2009 season.

If Seymour does not bounce back next season, we should look to move him
for a high pick prior to the 2009 season.

Performance on the field in 2008 is what matters. Not the prior pro-bowls.
If we used the prior probowls logic, Bledsoe would still be our quarterback.

Obviously, he'll be judged after 2009 on his ability to play. Next year is 2008. Why in the world we're worrying about the 2010 season now is beyond me.

He's had a difficult recovery from knee surgery he probably aggravated playing through it (as well as at least 2 other injuries).

He's not a running back, he should be fine.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Obviously, he'll be judged after 2009 on his ability to play. Next year is 2008. Why in the world we're worrying about the 2010 season now is beyond me.

He's had a difficult recovery from knee surgery he probably aggravated playing through it (as well as at least 2 other injuries).

He's not a running back, he should be fine.

They are not going to wait two seasons for Seymour to regain
his speed. If he is not back next year, they will probably do something
prior to 2009, while he is still under contract.

Their hands are tied this year because of the salary cap hit for his
bonus.

After the 2008 season, they could make a move and live with the one
year salary cap hit, which they could spread over two seasons.

 

[RayClay]

It's simple as this. If he's recovered, (2 years out he should be) we won't trade him. You can't find players that fit our defense like that.

If he's not recovered after 2 years, nobody will want him.

 

[cornhuskers_2002]

I think his shoulder is messed up. After every play he always ****s back his shoulder.

 

[Miguel]

He was willing to sit out rather than play under the franchise tag a few years back.

FWIW - Seymour was never franchised.

 

[Miguel]

After the 2008 season, they could make a move and live with the one year salary cap hit, which they could spread over two seasons.

This is wrong.

 

[captain stone]

This is wrong.

Then what, exactly, is right?

 

[BradyFTW!]

You need a full offseason of injury-free workouts to return to 100%. This will be the first time that Seymour has had that in a good while. Let's wait on passing judgment on him until next year.

 

[fgssand]

Man oh man, some of you people have such short memories......

Richard Seymour, when healthy, is a BEAST. He always has two blockers on him and usually still makes plays. He always carries out his asignments, hurt or healthy.

He got injured. He did not recover as hoped. He sucked it up as best he coudl and played hurt all of last year after not coming around in the offseason as he had expected.

Hopefully, he comes back 100% and has a long run at or near 100% - then, the old dominating RS will be back.

We need this guy.......if you want a shut down defense again, there is no better individual to start with then Richard Seymour.

 

[Miguel]

Then what, exactly, is right?

After the 2008 season, they could make a move and live with the one year salary cap hit, which they can NOT spread over two seasons (2009 and 2010). Cupofjoe1962 is implying that the Patriots can somehow spread the 2009 signing bonus amortization into 2010 even though Seymour was never signed for the 2010 season.

 

[captain stone]

After the 2008 season, they could make a move and live with the one year salary cap hit, which they can NOT spread over two seasons (2009 and 2010). Cupofjoe1962 is implying that the Patriots can somehow spread the 2009 signing bonus amortization into 2010 even though Seymour was never signed for the 2010 season.

What would then be the '09 cap hit if Seymour is released after the '08 season?

Would there also be an '09 cap savings, or are those figures mutually exclusive?

Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm not good at interpreting salary cap mathematics.