Enough spygate threads [merged]

[patriotspride]

I counted 11 spy gate related threads on the first page in the main area of this message board .enough is enough .this place is worse than espn .its really bad when a pats fan comes here to talk about the team and all he finds is spy gate bull sh!t.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

It would probably be best to have one big one, it's kind of silly right now unfortunately. With FA and the draft coming up, Spygate is a non issue to me until someone produces something that really matters, not all this silly talk from Spector, et al.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

I agree and was going to suggest that mods merge all the threads claiming new information that is nothing of the sort, all the spins on Specter's bloviating, all the admonissions to Bill and Bob to do something, all the whines that something the usual suspects here can't tear themselves away from posting their thoughts or emotions on won't go away...and even sticky it so those who want to parse articles or argue with trolls or vent their frustration with Bill, Bob, Roger, Arlen, ESPN, NFLN or any other sports news agency that decides to take it's daily shot at a rehash of what we already know, what was already done, and who is unhappy with how it was done can just express themselves without cluttering the board with threads full of crap.

As a practical matter it would be nice IF something does actually happen that is newsworthy in and of itself, like Walsh actually addressing whether he does or doesn't have the tape the mediots at ESPN and Arlen so hope he has, I could come here and viola...I would know something NEW AND SIGNIFICANT had happened.

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

A "spygate updates" sticky might solve the problem. What say you, mods?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

Or, perhaps, have a daily Spygate thread (i.e., one thread for all posts today, one tomorrow, etc.)? That way good points don't get quite so buried.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

New information on spygate came out. Why not have a new thread?

If the thread says "Spygate" in its title, then avoid it.

I do agree a sticky would be helpful with just a brief outlining of the facts and a set of easily understood conclusions. That way we can refer the trolls to that sticky whenever they post.

 

[Mack Herron]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

If you don't like it, don't read it. Don't force others to adopt your standards of what can be said..

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

New information on spygate came out. Why not have a new thread?

If the thread says "Spygate" in its title, then avoid it.

I do agree a sticky would be helpful with just a brief outlining of the facts and a set of easily understood conclusions. That way we can refer the trolls to that sticky whenever they post.

No new information came out. Just more spin on what those of us who fully grasped what happend last September already understood. Specter has been bloviating for two full weeks now and nothing he said is new or news to anyone but him. It's being spun as news doesn't make it so.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Don't force others to adopt your standards of what can be said..

This is about managing the board as FA approaches. The volume of threads on this topic, many of which are redundant, pushes other threads off the front page sometimes before people even get to see them...which often leads to duplication on multiple topics.

Nobody is trying to deny free speech here Mack, just suggesting that it be managed in a way that doesn't ruin the board for the majority of Pats fans whose interest range well beyond spygate. Add to the discourse as much or as often as you choose, just don't start a new thread for every thought that enters your mind or every snipet you hear that you think is news or worthy of comment. And if you must then accept it will eventually get merged into the thread dedicated to the topic...

Spygate is just one topic for the offseason and should be treated as such until or unless something substantive comes of it. To date it's really nothing more than a bunch of crap that was already dealt with that some senator and ESPN are determined to poke sticks at to see if they can will it to be more.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

No new information came out. Just more spin on what those of us who fully grasped what happend last September already understood. Specter has been bloviating for two full weeks now and nothing he said is new or news to anyone but him. It's being spun as news doesn't make it so.



This is about managing the board as FA approaches. The volume of threads on this topic, many of which are redundant, pushes other threads off the front page sometimes before people even get to see them...which often leads to duplication on multiple topics.

Nobody is trying to deny free speech here Mack, just suggesting that it be managed in a way that doesn't ruin the board for the majority of Pats fans whose interest range well beyond spygate. Add to the discourse as much or as often as you choose, just don't start a new thread for every thought that enters your mind or every snipet you hear that you think is news or worthy of comment. And if you must then accept it will eventually get merged into the thread dedicated to the topic...

Spygate is just one topic for the offseason and should be treated as such until or unless something substantive comes of it. To date it's really nothing more than a bunch of crap that was already dealt with that some senator and ESPN are determined to poke sticks at to see if they can will it to be more.

Some new information did come out. I never knew half the stuff in the latest release. I never knew that NFL lawyers destroyed the evidence in Foxboro. I never knew that Goodell assumed Belichick has been doing this since the Cleveland days. I learned that Leahy authorized a funded investigation. I learned that the NFL is investigating Walsh's past, and that Walsh is "scared." There's a lot more new stuff out there.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

How about setting up a temporary Spygate Sub-Forum? At present it is kind of difficult to wade past the noise to find some actual discussion of football.

Just my $.02

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

Some new information did come out. I never knew half the stuff in the latest release. I never knew that NFL lawyers destroyed the evidence in Foxboro. I never knew that Goodell assumed Belichick has been doing this since the Cleveland days. I learned that Leahy authorized a funded investigation. I learned that the NFL is investigating Walsh's past, and that Walsh is "scared." There's a lot more new stuff out there.

Nothing new came out relative to the case though. Those of us who paid attention always knew that the taping dated back to Bill becoming a HC. You learned that Spector claims Leahy will support funding investigation - Leahy hasn't said a word in public. I would hope the NFL is investigating Walsh's past as part of their efforts to ascertain whether or not he has any relevant information and whether or not he has credibility issues. Walsh should be scared. None of that materially alters the facts to date or impacts the team. Goodell penalized Bill and the team for EVERYTHING signal taping related that transpired between his arrival here and their meeting based on his acceptance of their explanation - even though he believed it to be an incorrect interpretation - and the information and documentation they voluntarily provided which covered the entire period and which HE decided to have destroyed. THAT PART IS DONE WHETHER SPECTER LIKES IT OR NOT. Doesn't matter which individual teams he had data on. Data collection isn't prohibited, only filming it from a non sanction location. They destroyed it all on the assumption some of all of it was collected via video tape. The penalty covered the totality of the behavior. Tough **** if someone doesn't like that approach or conclusion, because it was concluded.

If he has issues they are with the Commissioner or with additional charges only IF they can be documented. Unless they find that Walsh has a tape, which seems increasingly unlikely, all they can hope to get from him is recollections of other, non signal taping offenses which would require some additional manner of documentation beyond he said she said.

There are now rumors...that some sources claim some teams MAY have information about things the Patriots might have done to them. Fine. We likely have a file like that on all of them, too. Some have long hinted that information of that nature may have been included with our voluntary submission to the Commissioner...You might note that Dan Rooney stated that nothing we did impacted his franchise's performance on the field. Because someone at or near the top in each of those organizations understands that almost every organization has unseemly little secrets be they player, contract, cap, communications or information related they would prefer not to see discussed publicly.

When some on NFLN were anguishing over what this spying all potentially meant, Trent Dilfer bless his soul pointed out that a playbook, which was guarded like Fort Knox, would be of tremendous use to an opponent. And while teams religiously account for them, he has retained a xerox copy of every playbook of every team he's ever played for...duh. I'm sure that's the first question teams ask of a player they snag off the waiver wire the week they play an opponent who last employed him. Cheaters.

 

[blackglass3]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

How about setting up a temporary Spygate Sub-Forum? At present it is kind of difficult to wade past the noise to find some actual discussion of football.

Just my $.02

I find this to be a damn good idea as well.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

My opinion is that we should let them go until FA and the draft heat up. Maybe they will burn themselves out. If not we might want to take a look as to what to do. But they are all being started and kept up by posters on this board.

If you don't want them , don't post on them and see if they drop off the front page.

Also, threads can be started about a number of issues. Rosy Colvin, what will happen? Moss, what will happen? Stallworth, what will happen? Samuel, what will happen? Who will be asked to restructure?

I'd start one myself but I'm trying to get a cheerleader tourney set up to go on the Ladies Lounge.

 

[bigjunk1]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

I think it deserves it's own forum. There is too much puked out everyday about this and all the threads hijack the main page.

IMO.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

My opinion is that we should let them go until FA and the draft heat up. Maybe they will burn themselves out. If not we might want to take a look as to what to do. But they are all being started and kept up by posters on this board.

If you don't want them , don't post on them and see if they drop off the front page.

Also, threads can be started about a number of issues. Rosy Colvin, what will happen? Moss, what will happen? Stallworth, what will happen? Samuel, what will happen? Who will be asked to restructure?

I'd start one myself but I'm trying to get a cheerleader tourney set up to go on the Ladies Lounge.

Self policing doesn't work here anymore, nut. You know that. It works on the Planet, and you know that too. But the planet is more community than football forum. This forum has grown exponentially over the last two seasons. I know that benefits Ian on some level, but it has caused the intelligence level plummet and there is no longer any sense of community here. I recall when Miguel and others used to make an effort to explain that to newcomers, how a board is what it is and not what it's most recent additions necessarily want it to be. We have a lot of posters here who apparently are more inclined to rant and rave and fight as if on a generic board like ESPN. And they will tell you while they came here because this board had a longstanding reputation for intelligence, they now want that freedom to spew atmosphere here they enjoyed at other venues too. And they are winning.

The longer you "let them go" the more they come to believe that they are entitled to do whatever they choose. Same goes for the trolls they are again attracting. And we've seen that mentality cause nothing but ugliness here until it comes time for Ian to wade in and do something he doesn't apparently want or like to do, which is reassert control of a site that at the end of the day content wise only really reflects well or badly on him.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Enough spy gate threads

Self policing doesn't work here anymore, nut. You know that. It works on the Planet, and you know that too. But the planet is more community than football forum. This forum has grown exponentially over the last two seasons. I know that benefits Ian on some level, but it has caused the intelligence level plummet and there is no longer any sense of community here. I recall when Miguel and others used to make an effort to explain that to newcomers, how a board is what it is and not what it's most recent additions necessarily want it to be. We have a lot of posters here who apparently are more inclined to rant and rave and fight as if on a generic board like ESPN. And they will tell you while they came here because this board had a longstanding reputation for intelligence, they now want that freedom to spew atmosphere here they enjoyed at other venues too. And they are winning.

The longer you "let them go" the more they come to believe that they are entitled to do whatever they choose. Same goes for the trolls they are again attracting. And we've seen that mentality cause nothing but ugliness here until it comes time for Ian to wade in and do something he doesn't apparently want or like to do, which is reassert control of a site that at the end of the day content wise only really reflects well or badly on him.

I'll PM the other mod's and see if there is a consensus as to what to do about this "spygate" thread issue. Maybe we can just merge them unless it's something that actually deserves it's own thread.

In regards to trolls, I don't keep a head count on this. But, I will say with certainty that I have banned more than 20 since the SB. I know that other mod's have done the same because when I go to a complaint, many times I see that another mod has already banned the troll.

I've also given out more infractions than I'd like. Mostly for people getting in the name calling business when they disagree. Again, I've noticed that other mod's are doing the same. This will continue,I'm sure.

Five infractions = a 7 day ban but we now have the authority to ban someone forever, if need be. That is one thing I don't want to be doing to Patriots fans, but I will if needed.

So in spite of what appears to be an out of control board at times, I can assure you and others that we mods are handling things as best we can with the time we have to do it.

 

[patriotspride]

board name change

www.spygatefans.com that is the perfect name for this board now. it seems thats all anybody wants to talk about anyway .

 

[BadMoFo]

Re: board name change

It's just a dozen on the front page alone, including two created by you.

It is pretty bad, though.

 

[Marshy]

Re: board name change

Hands up who clicked on the link?

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: board name change

Hands up who clicked on the link?

I did and i was expecting to take me back to patsfans homepage