7th Pick In Draft...Use it OR Trade it ?

[PaulThePat]

There has been a lot of discussion on the forum over the last few weeks about the Patriots 7th pick of the 2008 draft. Some people seem to think we will trade down, others say we should use it.

What would you do and why ?

 

[Watson's IQ]

I assume you mean if we had to decide right now, and couldn't see who the first six picks were.

I would trade it. I think you have to go after a first round corner, and I think all the top talent at that position is a reach at #7. Talib is the guy I'm targeting (He's tall, which is what we need I think), but that's a discussion for another thread.

The #7 pick, in my mind, becomes easier to trade if either Ryan or McFadden slips to us, since those are the two guys teams would really move up to get. Neither is likely to fall, but there are scenarios for both. Obviously the dream scenario is McFadden falling and Jerry Jones sending both their #1s our way, although that's probably a pipe dream.

Also, if either Gholston or Chris Long is there at 7 (I'm not sure either will be), I think the Pats should take a long look.

But my answer as of today: Trade it. (for good value)

 

[PaulThePat]

I assume you mean if we had to decide right now, and couldn't see who the first six picks were.

Yeh...just really interested in peoples gut instinct

 

[Watson's IQ]

Yeh...just really interested in peoples gut instinct

My gut instinct and also based on prior BB drafts is that trading it is the smart move. I think if you can trade down, still select the CB you want, and maybe even add a 2009 first rounder along the way, you do it. Count me as a major proponent of the BB strategy of trading for future draft picks, after all it worked out wonderfully with San Fran. Trade for the 2009 pick of a team that thinks they're just "one piece away" and then see what happens.

If there was someone who really blew me away at #7, I would say go for it, but I don't think that would be the case. Chris Long is the one guy I think I'd really like to see on the Pats, but even he's no sure thing.

 

[BelichickFan]

I have no problem with drafting a guy we think should be a stud - but my perference (all things being equal, of course) would be to trade into the 11-15 range. There's a HUGE drop in contact size from 7 but we could still sign the player to a 6 year contract. Even picking up only a #3 this year or #2 in 2009 to do a minor trade down like that would work for me.

 

[PaulThePat]

I hear people talking about the "value" of picks as if there is some sort of scoring system. What is used to work out the value of a pick when looking to trade it away ?

 

[BelichickFan]

I hear people talking about the "value" of picks as if there is some sort of scoring system. What is used to work out the value of a pick when looking to trade it away ?

Here's a generic example :

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html

Of course it changes based on the strength of a given draft.

 

[Tpd122]

Two words: Marquis Coleston(did I spell that right?)

helpin you out on that its Marques Colston

 

[Handel]

Trade down to #10-15 spot.

Pats still get a good player
Can sign him for 6 years
Have a few other picks...

 

[TheBaronPatriot]

It's too complex of a question to simply say trade or no trade.
It's about economics...
IS there a player the pats have rated as worthy of the the 7 spot?
If so, they take him.

If not, they try to trade it away based on economics again.
Take the trade that provides the biggest value for the Pats.
Keep in mind that there might be a player they would target later on, or a few at a particular draft spot.

So if we trade in 15 for example, they would want to guarantee themselves at least one of a few players they like.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Trade down to #10-15 spot.

Pats still get a good player
Can sign him for 6 years
Have a few other picks...

Agreed, or even lower if they think they can still get the player they want and more picks.

As for Marques Colston, you could just as easily say Tom Brady, but you can't really build your draft strategy on hoping to find guys who go from the end of the draft to superstars. It happens, sure, but for most guys taken late it doesn't

 

[WhiZa]

The real question is "What would it take for you to pull the trigger on a trade?"

No doubt there will be offers for the #7 pick, but how juicy does it need to be compared to the talent that may be available at #7

 

[Watson's IQ]

The real question is "What would it take for you to pull the trigger on a trade?"

No doubt there will be offers for the #7 pick, but how juicy does it need to be compared to the talent that may be available at #7

The ideal is to get both of Dallas' #1s. That's only even in the realm of possibility if McFadden is there, and even then I think voices of reason would talk Jones down. I'd be happy with a pick in the lower first round range and a 2009 first rounder, if that's conceivable. I haven't checked the trade value chart.

 

[patsfanofNC12]

trade it at this point in time

 

[DocE]

I'd like to see them trade it, but for a player and pick(s) as opposed to just a pick. I feel like the ideal situation for the Patriots would be to trade down to the mid first round and pick up either a CB or LB who has established himself in the league, but is still on his rookie contract. This would be an ideal way to patch a hole on the roster without having to sign someone to an expensive deal. With that mid first round pick one of the CB's or OT's is still likely to be available.

 

[UMDshawn]

Maybe its just me, but wouldn't make a lot of sense if the pats swapped pick #7 to the lions for picks #15 and #45. The lions would be able to take Ryan Clady or Jake Long who would provide some much needed protection, or possibly even take Sedrick Ellis if he falls. The pats would then be able to take the cornerback of their choosing and then use the second round pick to fill a need at linebacker. 15 and 45 even add up to the value of pick 7 at 1500 points. Is there any reason why this doesnt make near perfect sense? maybe detroit has cap problems? anything?

 

[nittanylions52]

Honestly, I'm not sure how viable trading the pick would be. Well, as long as nobody's trading future picks to NE (you know NO one's going to do that after what happened to San Fran this year). Maybe trade down, but honestly who are they going to trade up to get? Matt Ryan isn't good enough to trade for. Heck, Quinn was better than Ryan and he kept dropping. There's no standout QB's in this draft, so a lot of teams will wait until the 2nd or 3rd rounds, I'd bet.

 

[nittanylions52]

The ideal is to get both of Dallas' #1s. That's only even in the realm of possibility if McFadden is there, and even then I think voices of reason would talk Jones down. I'd be happy with a pick in the lower first round range and a 2009 first rounder, if that's conceivable. I haven't checked the trade value chart.

I doubt any team will trade away a future draft pick to the Pats, especially after what happened with San Fran.

 

[UMDshawn]

Honestly, I'm not sure how viable trading the pick would be. Well, as long as nobody's trading future picks to NE (you know NO one's going to do that after what happened to San Fran this year). Maybe trade down, but honestly who are they going to trade up to get? Matt Ryan isn't good enough to trade for. Heck, Quinn was better than Ryan and he kept dropping. There's no standout QB's in this draft, so a lot of teams will wait until the 2nd or 3rd rounds, I'd bet.

According to most "experts" ryan is a better pro prospect than brady quinn was. McShay was on ESPN last night comparing Ryan to Eli Manning, Rothelisburger, and Rivers. He's head and shoulders above any other QB prospect in this draft and most likely will be gone before the Pats draft at 7. I think if any team is seriously considering a second tier QB it will be Flacco from Deleware becasue of his size and arm strength.

 

[KevinFaulk-33]

Trade Down for me. #15 or #20 pick don't charge the Salary Cap.