They Let Brady Down - All About The Snap Count

[IcyPatriot]

We Would have won yesterday ... no doubt in my mind if just one coach or 1 player would have pulled Brady aside and talked to him about the snap count. He was under such pressure yesterday ... scrutinizing everything he was seeing across the line that he was forgetting to vary his cadence and/or the snap count. I don't fault tom for this .. it happens ... and it will happen again even to him.

All 2nd and 3rd quater I said to my wife it looks like the Giants were in our huddle. They had at least 75% of all the snap counts and cadences down pat. They gained initial leverage on almost every snap. When Brady went to the no huddle, he had a few more seconds to look over the defense and you could see him varying the cadence and snap. The Giants did not explode off the line and we scored a touchdown. They also did not explode off the line in the 1st quater when Tom was a bit more relaxed.

That nobody reminded Tom yesterday baffles me. too bad really because I am sure he would have thanked whomever would have talked to him about it. I'm also very sure we could have scored at least 1 extra TD if they had. Just my opinion ... I feel bad for the guys today ... they were still the greatest this year even though they came 3 points short.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

let's start a conspiracy...maybe the giants knew the snap count

 

[60minuteman]

I raised this question in another thread....
I admit I'm not an expert, but it seems like their overall cadence was very rarely different than the rest of the season.

Now.... I understand the argument that you don't want to risk false starts by changing things on everyone, and perhaps conservative thinking is that new snap counts are gimmicks that won't work.

Why not mix things up more? Why not try a few "fake audible" plays where Brady goes under center sooner? It seemed that the offense had a very predictable cadence all season long, and maybe that finally caught up to them?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Dear Football God,

Please make them stop.

Thanks,

Mo

 

[Satchboogie3]

I'm just hoping that BB will learn everything to be learned from the game film and will prevent us from making any coaching mistakes that might cost us a big game.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

I'm just hoping that BB will learn everything to be learned from the game film and will prevent us from making any coaching mistakes that might cost us a big game.

that's what I said after the 2007 AFC CG loss to colts. Look what that got us ?

Couldve been our 5th SB win !

 

[Harry Yelreh]

We Would have won yesterday ... no doubt in my mind if just one coach or 1 player would have pulled Brady aside and talked to him about the snap count. He was under such pressure yesterday ... scrutinizing everything he was seeing across the line that he was forgetting to vary his cadence and/or the snap count. I don't fault tom for this .. it happens ... and it will happen again even to him.

All 2nd and 3rd quater I said to my wife it looks like the Giants were in our huddle. They had at least 75% of all the snap counts and cadences down pat. They gained initial leverage on almost every snap. When Brady went to the no huddle, he had a few more seconds to look over the defense and you could see him varying the cadence and snap. The Giants did not explode off the line and we scored a touchdown. They also did not explode off the line in the 1st quater when Tom was a bit more relaxed.

That nobody reminded Tom yesterday baffles me. too bad really because I am sure he would have thanked whomever would have talked to him about it. I'm also very sure we could have scored at least 1 extra TD if they had. Just my opinion ... I feel bad for the guys today ... they were still the greatest this year even though they came 3 points short.

I think you are on to something. This makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know what adjustment needed to be made, but all I've heard since the game is that the Giants just whipped NE up front. This isn't a good enough explanation. The best OL in the NFL all year, and suddenly they're getting dominated worse than any team the Giants had played in weeks, if not since they played the Eagles.
LOL, not sure we need to get into conspiracy theories, but they somehow sure knew what was up and seized the opportunity - an opportunity that possibly NEVER should have been there.

 

[WallyPip]

The Big Show is discussing this now. I think they want to talk to Brady or BB about this.

 

[Mack Herron]

The inability of the offensive line to block was because Brady forgot about changing snap counts and the line and coaches were too shy to remind him?

SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Drewwho]

This is ridiculous! The Pats OL has never been great against speed. They are much more effective against power, not speed. This is why lines like the Colts, Giants and even Philly gave them trouble this year - SPEED!

It has nothing to do about snap counts and Tom's foot in the shotgun etc...it is all bogus!

 

[PromisedLand]

Dear Football God,

Please make them stop.

Thanks,

Mo

Hey Mo, are you really the Phil Conners at the beginning of Groundhog Day? I realize it must be frustrating being so much smarter than anyone else, but really. Your arrogance is amazing sometimes.

 

[unoriginal]

There is usually no snap count in the shotgun formation. It's hard to screw up something that doesn't exist.

 

[Harry Yelreh]

This is ridiculous! The Pats OL has never been great against speed. They are much more effective against power, not speed. This is why lines like the Colts, Giants and even Philly gave them trouble this year - SPEED!

It has nothing to do about snap counts and Tom's foot in the shotgun etc...it is all bogus!

You have a point in that it is always about speed. However, the Patriots scored 24 against the Colts, 38 against the Giants, and 31 (24 via offense) against the Eagles in the regular season. So, even when playing all that "speed," they were still able to move the ball pretty darn well and put points on the board.

Speed alone does not account for what happened Sunday for an offensive line with pro bowlers who had more than held their own against speed all season.

 

[Marko]

I was thinking the same thing during the game. I know in the eagles sb the eagles players said that they changed cadences in the second half and threw screens out of formations that we didn't usually throw to the backs. The Giants also seemed to be all over every wideout screen we threw, which is a little odd considering they were bringing blitzes etc. If this was the Pats the fact they seemed to know our every move would be construed as proof that we were cheating, remember the coach that said we never guessed wrong; well the giants never guessed wrong. PS just illustrating silliness of accusations that are taken seriously and reported, not really accusing Giants of somehow getting our offensive signals illegaly, but there is the possibility we had tells or overt tendencies. So please no reply's that call me an ignorant homer that can't accept defeat.

 

[unoriginal]

You have a point in that it is always about speed. However, the Patriots scored 24 against the Colts, 38 against the Giants, and 31 (24 via offense) against the Eagles in the regular season. So, even when playing all that "speed," they were still able to move the ball pretty darn well and put points on the board.

Speed alone does not account for what happened Sunday for an offensive line with pro bowlers who had more than held their own against speed all season.

You're right. They were also overpowered.

 

[363839]

I swear that their DE's were already behind our tackles before they even got out of their stance.
I don't understand it.
They weren't THAT good last time we played.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I swear that their DE's were already behind our tackles before they even got out of their stance.
I don't understand it.
They weren't THAT good last time we played.

All the people here with negative comments need to watch the game again. the Giants were getting off the snap faster than our own guys were. That was both in shotgun and under center. They had no leverage to block on at least 75% of the snaps. I am surprised it was not addressed during the game ... well, it was addressed finally on that last drive. Hindsight is 20/20 ... what could have been different can always be discussed after every game ... but altering the snap is a basic to every game. Does anyone here think Charlie Weiss would have missed it ... NOT!!!

 

[mosi]

All the people here with negative comments need to watch the game again. the Giants were getting off the snap faster than our own guys were. That was both in shotgun and under center. They had no leverage to block on at least 75% of the snaps. I am surprised it was not addressed during the game ... well, it was addressed finally on that last drive. Hindsight is 20/20 ... what could have been different can always be discussed after every game ... but altering the snap is a basic to every game. Does anyone here think Charlie Weiss would have missed it ... NOT!!!

I thought that as well. The D-line was jumping way to fast for my liking and the refs called nothing.

The Pats needed to run a straight up draw play to keep the D-line honest.

 

[Marko]

I swear that their DE's were already behind our tackles before they even got out of their stance.
I don't understand it.
They weren't THAT good last time we played.

Yeah and they only had three total in the three previous playoff games.

 

[ATippett56]

They Let Brady Down ........

The Patriots offensive line sure did! Maybe the beards weighed them down?