Offensive play calling from McDaniels cost us the win!!!

[TeamFirst]

Before you all jump all over me hear me out real quick.


In previous games when other teams brought the blitz the Pats offense would adjust very quickly and go into 2-3 tight end sets and sometimes 2 back sets,this game they didn't do any of it.

No huddle, what happened to no huddle?
Playaction if I remember correctly they only did it 2-3 times.
For the first time this season I thought the Offense played conservative and was afraid of making a mistake.
Where was Heath Evans?
Where was the deep ball for 3 quarters,I know brady didn't have a ton of time but atleast try and roll him to the left or right.

Anyone else think that Tom Brady is hurt? The ankle injury is more severe than what reported?

 

[Bertil]

Is it possible that:

TeamFirst=New England Mike (NEM)?

 

[TeamFirst]

Whose Nem?

 

[Rob0729]

Before you all jump all over me hear me out real quick.


In previous games when other teams brought the blitz the Pats offense would adjust very quickly and go into 2-3 tight end sets and sometimes 2 back sets,this game they didn't do any of it.

No huddle, what happened to no huddle?
Playaction if I remember correctly they only did it 2-3 times.
For the first time this season I thought the Offense played conservative and was afraid of making a mistake.
Where was Heath Evans?
Where was the deep ball for 3 quarters,I know brady didn't have a ton of time but atleast try and roll him to the left or right.

Anyone else think that Tom Brady is hurt? The ankle injury is more severe than what reported?

Yeah, where was the deep ball for the first three quarters? Brady had plenty of time and the o-line did a pretty good job keeping Tuck, Umineyoria, and Strahan were kept at bay all game. It was perfect game conditions for Brady to sail it deep. McDaniels foolishly rather go with the short game which got Brady sacked or hit on almost every play in the first half.:bricks:

Come on, McDaniels didn't call a good game by any stretch of the imagination, but they didn't go deep because the o-line was swiss cheese. The Pats didn't do much play action because the Pats couldn't run the ball and the Giants run blitz a lot on running plays so a play action wouldn't be as effective.

I still blame more the execution of the players on offense than the playcalling because nothing seemed to work until the Giants' pass rushers got exhausted.

 

[SVN]

Before you all jump all over me hear me out real quick.


In previous games when other teams brought the blitz the Pats offense would adjust very quickly and go into 2-3 tight end sets and sometimes 2 back sets,this game they didn't do any of it.

No huddle, what happened to no huddle?
Playaction if I remember correctly they only did it 2-3 times.
For the first time this season I thought the Offense played conservative and was afraid of making a mistake.
Where was Heath Evans?
Where was the deep ball for 3 quarters,I know brady didn't have a ton of time but atleast try and roll him to the left or right.

Anyone else think that Tom Brady is hurt? The ankle injury is more severe than what reported?

this is something we did a lot in SB38 . i was surprised BB didnt pull this out until the last drive.

 

[Patriot Missile]

this is something we did a lot in SB38 . i was surprised BB didnt pull this out until the last drive.

I was suprised the Shotgun wasn't used more. Has anyone seen Tom Brady drop back that many times. We knew they were blitzing almost every down and the playmaking just kept calling for 3-5-7 step drops. WTF? It was quite peculiar and still makes no sense to me. Whenever hard times bestowed us we would always fall back on the no huddle-shotgun. It just makes no sense to me and makes me wonder what was going through the coaches minds.

And don't get me started on the 4th quarter defense calls. We haven't had an effective blitz package since Colvin's departure and all of a sudden we are going to blitz every down on the final drive. Give me a >>>>ing break. I think the defense was sitting fine at 3 points allowed until someone decided we were all of a sudden a blitzburg machine. It almost looked rigged to me and I'd like an investigation. lol Goodel probably told them to lose to ease off the Senate commisions and let it die down.

Whatever............Sour grapes we got dominated on both sides of the ball but the playcalling bothers the crap out of me. I mean this is Bill Belichick after all. There is no sane way I ever thought he would come up with such a dead duck scheme,or allow one to call one for him like that.

 

[TeamFirst]

This backs up my point. Look at these sets.

3 WR/1 TE/1 RB -- 33 of 70
2 WR/2 TE/1 RB -- 20 of 70
4 WR/1 RB -- 9 of 70
1 WR/2 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 5 of 70
3 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 2 of 70
1 WR/3 TE/1 RB -- 1 of 70

Where are the adjustments??? How can you not try what has been succesful in the past. Not only that but why in the hell when you were on the 8-9 yard line going for a td with a first down do you not try and run it a few times and kill the clock a little or atleast make the Giants burn a few timeouts?

 

[i support BB]

They were getting to Brady even when he was in shotgun. Some screens (i can only remember 1) or draw plays needed to be called.

 

[BradyisGod]

There were about 5-7 screens called last night.

 

[ALP]

i agree...

im not sure what it was, but something about our offense was off last night, extremely off....and i have no idea why...

14 pts people, thats all this offense, THE greatest offense ever, put up...two touchdowns, in 70 offensive plays, and about 9 possessions....not sure what happened....

the O-line is the biggest factor in that however, i have NO idea how that pressure was getting to brady 70% of the time, no idea wutsoever

 

[JoeSixPat]

Before you all jump all over me hear me out real quick.


In previous games when other teams brought the blitz the Pats offense would adjust very quickly and go into 2-3 tight end sets and sometimes 2 back sets,this game they didn't do any of it.

No huddle, what happened to no huddle?
Playaction if I remember correctly they only did it 2-3 times.
For the first time this season I thought the Offense played conservative and was afraid of making a mistake.
Where was Heath Evans?
Where was the deep ball for 3 quarters,I know brady didn't have a ton of time but atleast try and roll him to the left or right.

Anyone else think that Tom Brady is hurt? The ankle injury is more severe than what reported?

I'm baffled by the playcalling as well - a hurry up offense likely would have given the Pats some momentum and improved timing while tiring the Giants defense - just as it did on their 2nd to last offensive series.

But while everyone's going to be second guessing I can't lay this at the feet of McDaniels.

The plays he did call could have/should have worked as well - but they were not well executed.

Had they been, we would not be in 2nd guessing mode now.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

maroney got 14 carries....that says it all.

it seems to me if you can run on the chargers you should be able to do something agaisnt the giants at least in the second half.

pats just didn't show up for 60 minutes

 

[SeymourTrophies]

There were about 5-7 screens called last night.

There should have been way more, way earlier. Some of the screens were read right off the bat in the 3rd quarter. The reason we shredded the steelers (#1 defense in the league) was because we were unpredictable with screens and all sorts of nonsense. McDaniels laid an egg the size of Manhattan with his preparation, adjustments, and playcalling.
Two things:
1) Brady was unbelievably nervous in the game. You could see it on his face. He wanted it so bad, and it clearly affected his play.

2) Something that makes me wonder is why did we just throw up prayers? We had 3 timeouts. Why not send everyone but one person long and take a chance with the long field goal by sending that person underneath the other routes. That would have also freed up Moss over the top instead of throwing the ball into a popcorn machine.

 

[Rob0729]

They were getting to Brady even when he was in shotgun. Some screens (i can only remember 1) or draw plays needed to be called.

At least two screens failed yesterday. One had Strahan bust throught the line and tip the ball. The other had Welker hit two yards behind the line of scrimmage by two defenders. They called about 1/2 dozen screens, but they didn't work.

 

[State]

If you want to run, put in more blockers

A double tightend package, keeping them in to block, would have helped break through the passrush. Why not keep Kyle Brady in to block?

Esp. at the beginning, we should have come out in a power I formation, established the run, and then employed play-action pass.

The coaches blew it, too.

 

[mac]

This backs up my point. Look at these sets.

3 WR/1 TE/1 RB -- 33 of 70
2 WR/2 TE/1 RB -- 20 of 70
4 WR/1 RB -- 9 of 70
1 WR/2 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 5 of 70
3 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 2 of 70
1 WR/3 TE/1 RB -- 1 of 70

Where are the adjustments??? How can you not try what has been succesful in the past. Not only that but why in the hell when you were on the 8-9 yard line going for a td with a first down do you not try and run it a few times and kill the clock a little or atleast make the Giants burn a few timeouts?

I completely agree. The Pats seemed to be so giddy they could actually move the ball that they forgot about clock management.

 

[mac]

There should have been way more, way earlier. Some of the screens were read right off the bat in the 3rd quarter. The reason we shredded the steelers (#1 defense in the league) was because we were unpredictable with screens and all sorts of nonsense. McDaniels laid an egg the size of Manhattan with his preparation, adjustments, and playcalling.
Two things:
1) Brady was unbelievably nervous in the game. You could see it on his face. He wanted it so bad, and it clearly affected his play.

Brady even got pissed when the Pats lost the coin flip at the start--not exactly a professional response to a 50/50 proposition.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There should have been way more, way earlier. Some of the screens were read right off the bat in the 3rd quarter. The reason we shredded the steelers (#1 defense in the league) was because we were unpredictable with screens and all sorts of nonsense. McDaniels laid an egg the size of Manhattan with his preparation, adjustments, and playcalling.
Two things:
1) Brady was unbelievably nervous in the game. You could see it on his face. He wanted it so bad, and it clearly affected his play.

2) Something that makes me wonder is why did we just throw up prayers? We had 3 timeouts. Why not send everyone but one person long and take a chance with the long field goal by sending that person underneath the other routes. That would have also freed up Moss over the top instead of throwing the ball into a popcorn machine.

You do realize Brady was sacked in that last series...and the Steelers play a 3-4 while the Giants play a 4-3...

The reason screen wouldn't work is the Giants weren't doing anything exotic, weren't even blitzing more than a third of the time. What they were doing is getting incredible pressure with just 4 rushers consistently enabling them to play man rather than zone and consistently double at least 1 if not 2 receivers. Screens take time to set up and Brady had none. Then his receivers were covered tightly enough that they were stopped with little or no YAC. One incomplete or sack or stuffed run or penalty mixed into a series and it was time for the punter...

There was little Josh could do about what transpired last night. The only times we managed a scoring drive either the Giants made a mistake (12 men) or they were gassed. They did roll Brady out once at the end, but it was too late and I think the ankle was an issue. It's not his forte to throw on the fly either, nor should it have to be.

The Oline play cost us the win, although it was still in play if the D could have just made 1 stop in a 2 minute 86 yard drive. They couldn't. Asante had the best shot at ending the game and the drive, and he muffed it. They still had a shot to keep them out of the EZ, which was the only way they could win, and we got blitz happy after stopping Plax all night long.

McDaniels isn't even on the top ten list of things that went wrong last night. Maybe the overall game plan was flawed, only dressing 2 TE, because maybe we underestimated the Giants pass rush and front 4 or overestimated our pro bowl studded Oline's actual capacity to handle them. But those wideranging decisions on overall approach aren't made by the coordinators. Those are the perview of the hoodie.

 

[Rocky]

2) Something that makes me wonder is why did we just throw up prayers? We had 3 timeouts. Why not send everyone but one person long and take a chance with the long field goal by sending that person underneath the other routes. That would have also freed up Moss over the top instead of throwing the ball into a popcorn machine.

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I thought the same thing. 3 timeouts and 35 seconds left was enough time to at least try a reasonable pass or two (15 yards) to at least give them a fighting chance. And I'm sure the Giants would have conceeded some shorter pass plays. There was no need to just heave the ball downfield into triple coverage. McDaniels did not have a good game. How many draw plays did they run? Not many I can recall.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

Re: If you want to run, put in more blockers

A double tightend package, keeping them in to block, would have helped break through the passrush. Why not keep Kyle Brady in to block?

Esp. at the beginning, we should have come out in a power I formation, established the run, and then employed play-action pass.

The coaches blew it, too.

One play I noticed Kyle Brady being tossed aside like a rag doll.. Watson has blown all year for the most part