Name me 2 Giants who could start for the Pats

[pats1]

2001 Rams offense:

QB - Kurt Warner
RB - Marshall Faulk
FB - James Hodgins
WR - Isaac Bruce
WR - Torry Holt
WR - Ricky Proehl/Az-Zahir Hakim
TE - Jeff Robinson (Long Snapper)/Ernie Conwell
LT - Orlando Pace
LG - Tom Nutten
C - Andy McCollum
RG - Adam Timmerman
RT - Rod Jones/Ryan Tucker

2003/4 Colts offense:

QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Edgerrin James
FB - James Mungro
WR - Marvin Harrison
WR - Reggie Wayne
WR - Brandon Stokley
TE - Marcus Pollard/Dallas Clark (young)
LT - Tarik Glenn
LG - Rick DeMulling
C - Jeff Saturday
RG - Tupe Peko
RT - Adam Meadows (03)/Ryan Diem

 

[National Sports Advisors]

The point of my post was to actually take a step back and truly understand the HUGE DISPARITY in TALENT on these two squads. Does that mean it is a LOCK and we shouldn't even play the game? No. All I am saying is that I find it extremely hard to believe that the Patriots can actually lose this game. The Patriots have never been known to underestimate teams and to come into games overconfident. That's a big reason why upsets happen. It probably had a lot to do with the 2001 Rams losing to the Patriots. However, the talent gap was not nearly as one sided in 2001 when we faced the Rams than it is this year when we face the Giants. In 2001 we had the edge in coaching and special teams. We also only allowed 271 points in 2001 and came into the game rolling on a 8 game winning streak. To compare the 2007 Giants to the 2001 Patriots is the chic thing to do nowadays, but there really isn't anything to base it on other than to say the 2001 Pats were also big underdogs. Guess what? The 85 Patriots were big underdogs too and they got their asses kicked!!! The Giants await the same fate.

 

[pats1]

If you disregard OL cohesion, I might take Snee and McKenzie over Neal and Kaczur.

 

[Watson's IQ]

The point of my post was to actually take a step back and truly understand the HUGE DISPARITY in TALENT on these two squads. Does that mean it is a LOCK and we shouldn't even play the game? No. All I am saying is that I find it extremely hard to believe that the Patriots can actually lose this game. The Patriots have never been known to underestimate teams and to come into games overconfident. That's a big reason why upsets happen. It probably had a lot to do with the 2001 Rams losing to the Patriots. However, the talent gap was not nearly as one sided in 2001 when we faced the Rams than it is this year when we face the Giants. In 2001 we had the edge in coaching and special teams. We also only allowed 271 points in 2001 and came into the game rolling on a 8 game winning streak. To compare the 2007 Giants to the 2001 Patriots is the chic thing to do nowadays, but there really isn't anything to base it on other than to say the 2001 Pats were also big underdogs. Guess what? The 85 Patriots were big underdogs too and they got their asses kicked!!! The Giants await the same fate.

They can actually lose this game. Will they? Extremely extremely unlikely, but as much as we discuss it - and I agree with you on the huge disparity in talent - there will remain a chance (no matter how small) that the Giants can pull an upset.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

They can actually lose this game. Will they? Extremely extremely unlikely, but as much as we discuss it - and I agree with you on the huge disparity in talent - there will remain a chance (no matter how small) that the Giants can pull an upset.

Exactly. I understand that. However, other than saying there is a "chance", I find it almost impossible to present a reasonable case for the Giants winning this game unless the Patriots just come out and play like absolute crap. I just do not see one EDGE the Giants have in this game. Not a single one. In 2001 at least you could make a reasonable case for the Patriots special teams being a clear cut edge and also Belichick having an edge over Martz due to Belichick's history stopping the K-Gun Bills in 1990 and Montana's 49ers offense.

 

[C'est La Vie]

Seriously. Look at their roster people. I am not a HOMER by any stretch of the imagination(that's why I'm hated on this board ), but I am having a hard time making a case for ANYONE on the Giants that could start for the Patriots. I mean, you MIGHT be able to convince me on Strahan and Burress, but that is it. I mean, who else? Osi Umenyiora? Maybe, but I still will take Ty Warren or Richard Seymour. That's it. That is why I am having a hard time taking this Giants team serious. They just lack that BIG TIME TALENT that I think is needed to knock off this 2007 Pats team. I think a team needs SUPERHUMAN efforts by a few great players to not just stay close, but to actually WIN the game. Who on the GIANTS is a great player? Brandon Jacobs? No. Solid, not great. Eli Manning? Puhleaze. I'm sorry, but I think this game is a BAD MATCHUP for the Gmen. People think that the Giants will benefit from having already played us. I beg to differ. I think the Patriots will benefit far more from having already played the Giants, because now they know what they can and can't do against the Gmen and they have the superior talent and coaching to make the proper adjusments going into a second meeting. Having played the Pats so tough last time around may actually hurt the Giants, because they may come into this game too overconfident and think that it will be easier the 2nd time around. I just think this game has all the makings of an absolute BLOWOUT once it gets into the 2nd half.

How many times in the last 8 weeks have we read the words "blowout" here?

The RB's, Plax, Shockey, O-line could start. Strahan, Umin, Pirece, and a few other defenders could start. Plenty could. I think you guys win, but I wouldn't bank on a blowout.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

This Gmen defensive front was a non-factor in the last meeting. I don't see it being any different this time around, especially since Neal, Kazcur, and Brady will be in uniform this time. Plus, if the Gmen decide to get ballsy and blitz, this game will be over before you can say "Brady to Moss - TOUCHDOWN!".

 

[National Sports Advisors]

How many times in the last 8 weeks have we read the words "blowout" here?

The RB's, Plax, Shockey, O-line could start. Strahan, Umin, Pirece, and a few other defenders could start. Plenty could. I think you guys win, but I wouldn't bank on a blowout.

Buddy, is Shockey playing? No. Plus, I'll still take Watson over him. Jacobs could start? Puhleaze. Maybe 8 weeks ago, but not the way Maroney is running now. No way. Pierce? LOL!!!! Get out of here!! No way in hell. Dude, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Exactly. I understand that. However, other than saying there is a "chance", I find it almost impossible to present a reasonable case for the Giants winning this game unless the Patriots just come out and play like absolute crap. I just do not see one EDGE the Giants have in this game. Not a single one. In 2001 at least you could make a reasonable case for the Patriots special teams being a clear cut edge and also Belichick having an edge over Martz due to Belichick's history stopping the K-Gun Bills in 1990 and Montana's 49ers offense.

Agreed. As I said before, every matchup favors the Patriots. You described the exact situation in which the Giants win - Patriots play like crap, and Giants play the game of their life. While this isn't likely, both of these things have happened before so we have to admit there's a possibility they could happen at the same time. That said, you're correct that there's not much to discuss, since we are so overwhelmingly better.

 

[JaredOfNazareth]

I'm sure some of the Giants OL could start on the Pats right side.

Some have said Burress over Dante but I like having a real speed guy opposite Moss that the defense really has to watch. With Plaxico our offense would be slower. It might be better. Would Plax be able to handle Moss and Welker getting all the balls though.

Maybe Hedge**** over Evans at FB but I doubt it.

Kawika Mitchell could play ILB over Bruschi at this point but I think he's injured.

Yes huge talent disparity. Hard to evaluate the defenses because their 4-3 and our 3-4 have very different personel.

 

[C'est La Vie]

Buddy, is Shockey playing? No. Plus, I'll still take Watson over him. Jacobs could start? Puhleaze. Maybe 8 weeks ago, but not the way Maroney is running now. No way. Pierce? LOL!!!! Get out of here!! No way in hell. Dude, you are kidding yourself.

Buddy, you asked to name players, IS SHockey a member of the Giants? Oh yeah? Well then yes, he could START for the PATS. Jacobs could start (did DILLON start for you?). Plax could obviously start. Their O-Line has plenty of experience, certainly you could pick one guy out of the bunch.

Osi is in the freakin' Pro Bowl dude, he could start. I'd take Pierce over Seau and Bruschi, I think Madison has some left in the tank, and might get some action over Hobbs, definately over Gay.

Again, you asked, as if you guys have a ton of individual talent, and the Giants are chump change. Don't forget, you guys are most about TEAM.

 

[Wildo7]

Buddy, you asked to name players, IS SHockey a member of the Giants? Oh yeah? Well then yes, he could START for the PATS. Jacobs could start (did DILLON start for you?). Plax could obviously start. Their O-Line has plenty of experience, certainly you could pick one guy out of the bunch.

Osi is in the freakin' Pro Bowl dude, he could start. I'd take Pierce over Seau and Bruschi, I think Madison has some left in the tank, and might get some action over Hobbs, definately over Gay.

Again, you asked, as if you guys have a ton of individual talent, and the Giants are chump change. Don't forget, you guys are most about TEAM.

Plax could start. I don't know about Jacobs though, he's not the same style of runner as Dillon, he's closer to Maroney who I think is as good. Osi could start. Shockey would not start, he is no as good as Watson at all and he can't block like Kyle Brady. We're getting a little carried away with ourselves here claiming that no one on the Giants could even start for the Pats.

 

[mgcolby]

If not all of the Defesne than the big majority of it. The Rams were a team All Offense, No Defense like the 2003 -2004 Colts. They couldn't play D except with a 21 point lead, and the other team having abandoned the run...

They were 3rd in total defense and 7th in points allowed. I don't see how that compares to the 2003/2004 Colts or reflect an inability to play defense? Not to mention they only allowed 3.8 ypc on the ground.

 

[C'est La Vie]

Plax could start. I don't know about Jacobs though, he's not the same style of runner as Dillon, he's closer to Maroney who I think is as good. Osi could start. Shockey would not start, he is no as good as Watson at all and he can't block like Kyle Brady. We're getting a little carried away with ourselves here claiming that no one on the Giants could even start for the Pats.

Strahan, Tuck, Mitchell. I'm just saying, it's not like the Giants are chopped liver. They have plenty of talent, and like your coach said, they do a lot of things well, or there isn't a lot they can't do, or whatever the heck he said. They are pretty balanced on both sides of the ball. If Toomer and Smith get their heads out of their asses, and Plax comes to play, and Boss stays solid, and Jacobs runs hard, and they cross you up with some Bradshaw, they can move the football (see 5 td's versus Pats). On defense, if your O-line isn't sharp, they can put the heat on, and the less time Brady has, the worse he gets (duh). If they don't inexplicably give up a long ball, they can compete. You pulled out every close game you've played, kudos, but I think this could be another close one, and if it is, who knows?

 

[Nordy]

Jacobs would not start over Maroney. A lot of the time Faulk starts anyways as they open in a shotgun spread.

 

[C'est La Vie]

Jacobs would not start over Maroney. A lot of the time Faulk starts anyways as they open in a shotgun spread.

Maroney was a bum just a few short weeks ago, now he's so good, the SB opponent can't match his skills? Puhleeeze.

 

[JaredOfNazareth]

Maroney would start over Jacobs. On either team.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Buddy, you asked to name players, IS SHockey a member of the Giants? Oh yeah? Well then yes, he could START for the PATS. Jacobs could start (did DILLON start for you?). Plax could obviously start. Their O-Line has plenty of experience, certainly you could pick one guy out of the bunch.

Osi is in the freakin' Pro Bowl dude, he could start. I'd take Pierce over Seau and Bruschi, I think Madison has some left in the tank, and might get some action over Hobbs, definately over Gay.

Again, you asked, as if you guys have a ton of individual talent, and the Giants are chump change. Don't forget, you guys are most about TEAM.

Jacobs = Dillon? Your killin' me! I'll take Bruschi and Seau rotating over Pierce and **** Shockey. Minus the fact that he broke his leg, I think the Giants are better off w/out his ****y, "me,me,me" attitude.

 

[Wildo7]

Strahan, Tuck, Mitchell. I'm just saying, it's not like the Giants are chopped liver. They have plenty of talent, and like your coach said, they do a lot of things well, or there isn't a lot they can't do, or whatever the heck he said. They are pretty balanced on both sides of the ball. If Toomer and Smith get their heads out of their asses, and Plax comes to play, and Boss stays solid, and Jacobs runs hard, and they cross you up with some Bradshaw, they can move the football (see 5 td's versus Pats). On defense, if your O-line isn't sharp, they can put the heat on, and the less time Brady has, the worse he gets (duh). If they don't inexplicably give up a long ball, they can compete. You pulled out every close game you've played, kudos, but I think this could be another close one, and if it is, who knows?

I agree with you and I disagree with the OP, but Belichick has said that about every opponent the Pats have faced this year including the Dolphins.

Anyway, I think it's kind of an apples and oranges type thing because I wouldn't want any Giants players not because they're not good enough but because the way the Pats are assembled is close to perfect and it comes down to personalities and intelligence as well as skill and talent.

 

[karran_s]

Strahan for sure and Burress...

Only those 2 would make it as starters.. Pierce ? maybe, maybe not.. BB may think about it though....