Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charity

[scout]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

A post in which everyone already here already questioned why a flag wasn't thrown. But, then you take it a step further by proclaiming the Chargers go on to score (because they were scoring at will) and N.E. does not come back with another score (because they never do). That pretty much sums up your post.

 

[C'est La Vie]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Well, if you'd do a forum search you'd find out that most of the people here thought the Vrable got away with a leg whip.

Nice try, troll.

The difference is, if the situation were reversed, it would nvere die. In fact, all I have to do is say 2007 AFCCG, and the whiners will come running.

 

[oldskool138]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Yes and I acknowledged the fact that some people recognized the truth -- wish you'd read more carefully -- so please, enough with the tired old "troll" ploy. The point was, even those who admitted he got away with it still shrugged it off as nothing -- quite a difference from the way you all reacted when you thought OTHER teams got the ref charity.

A person who posts on an opposing fan's message board for the sole purpose of stirring things up is a troll.

If the shoe fits....

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Yes and I acknowledged the fact that some people recognized the truth -- wish you'd read more carefully -- so please, enough with the tired old "troll" ploy. The point was, even those who admitted he got away with it still shrugged it off as nothing -- quite a difference from the way you all reacted when you thought OTHER teams got the ref charity.

The bigger point -- I was challenged here to show proof of my claim that no teams gets calls like the Pats. Well hoot! there it is! For all to see (except the refs for some strange reason) this past Sunday.

1.) It was not a leg whip, although he did stick out a foot to try tripping Rivers

2.) One missed call is not proof of anything approaching your claim.

3.) Chargers fans, who used to try the same ridiculous arguments, came here after the Colts game and agreed that our points about the Colts were valid.

Now, you have a nice day.

 

[NEP-tune]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

I smell a ban in your future

unless it's just your breath.

I think he's been banned in the past and is now using another username. He says in his first post that he was challenged for proof... - He wasn't challenged in the 5 or so messages he's posted today.. :bricks:

 

[dhamz]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

It is hardly unique to Patriot fans to say the Colts get more calls than anyone. It was widely discussed on ESPN radio and WFAN in NY the day after the SD game. The Indy/Pitt playoff game was such an embarassment that the league had to publicly apologize for it the next day.

The reason everyone thinks the Colts get calls is also not a new one. Bill Polian now sits where Don Shula once did on the competition committee. Shula's teams curiously were always one of the least penalized.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

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[spacecrime]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

There's a very simple way to correct this, and we'll all be done with it. Nothing big -- each and every poster here who whined about Super Bowl XL can issue an apology, or a retraction if you will. Maybe start an official "I was wrong to complain about the Steelers getting the benefit of the calls in Super Bowl XL"

More blah blah blah. The calls were horribly in favor of the Steelers vs the Seahawks, and even worse for the Colts vs the Chargers.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Do you enjoy exposing your ignorance in front of a couple thousand readers?

We're not laughing with you, here. We're laughing at you.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Yes and I acknowledged the fact that some people recognized the truth -- wish you'd read more carefully -- so please, enough with the tired old "troll" ploy. The point was, even those who admitted he got away with it still shrugged it off as nothing -- quite a difference from the way you all reacted when you thought OTHER teams got the ref charity.

The bigger point -- I was challenged here to show proof of my claim that no teams gets calls like the Pats. Well hoot! there it is! For all to see (except the refs for some strange reason) this past Sunday.

You honestly thought that people here were claiming the Patriots never benefit from calls?

There are over 100 plays each game, 2000 plays so far this season, and you think Patriots fans claimed that not once in those 2000 plays have the Patriots benefited from a call?

There's a word for that: preposterous.

 

[TheDoggfather]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

1.) It was not a leg whip, although he did stick out a foot to try tripping Rivers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bplFfY75co

Video evidence to the contrary, my friend.

When I was watching the game, I thought Rivers was under a tremendous amount of pressure. Turns out he wasn't... just that he had Vrabel kicking at his leg that had no ACL in it.

I might be nitpicking, but, it looks to me that that was a tad more than, "sticking his foot out"... and by the by, he did trip Rivers.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Like I said, I had to laugh at Pats fans with the nerve to moan about calls they claim the Colts and Steelers got (ESPECIALLY Super Bowl XL) because NO team has benefitted from ref charity like New England.

You all laughed and challenged me to give proof -- well there it was Sunday, in the form of the MOST OBVIOUS NON-CALL IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.

Though I shouldn't even have to name it (being so obvious) let's just say what Vrabel got away with in full view of the refs is BEYOND ridiculous.

Some of you more honest types have even admitted Vrabel should've been nailed for tripping, but shrugged it off as "oh well that's the way it goes." Funny you didn't take that attitude with other teams -- no this place was a madhouse of moaning and indignation after certain games involving OTHER teams (ESPECIALLY Super Bowl XL). Well, boys and girls, nothing that happened in those games even comes CLOSE to the Vrabel non-call. C'mon where's all the righteous indignation and concern for the integrity of the game now? (Oh right, this time your guys benefitted, so none of that stuff really matters.)

Instead of San Diego getting an automatic first down and driving, the Pats (wrongly) get the ball on a pick and then score -- this is the single BIGGEST play of the game, and it was BOGUS. No way Vrabel should've gotten away with that kind of garbage. And I repeat, this was the single BIGGEST determination of who won this game. At the very least, that's 7 off the board for New England, and probably at least 3 for San Diego. Final score was 21-12; you do the math.

You wanted your proof? You got it. Go ahead and argue -- I dare you.

The ref saw it, and called nothing, because IT WASNT A PENALTY.
Vrabel was being blocked, went to the ground, and Rivers ran into his legs.
There is absolutely no blatant attempt to trip. Vrabels legs were in the natural position he went to the ground in.
It simply was not a penalty.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

A Jets fan - isn't that cute. After the Indy debacles last year and this, we still have about 3 more egregious calls coming to us in our favor.

Don't forget the phantom Ellis Hobbs Pass Interference call against Denver two years ago. We got that one coming. The league even admitted they blew that!

Hell, if you wanna go all the way back, we're still owed for the Sugar Bear Hamilton roughing the passer on Kenny Stabler in the playoffs in 1976.

(Oh, wait, we got that one back on Brady's - ahem - "tuck" in the snow game!)

 

[cartmen]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Hey Jake take this from me frankly I dont give a crap how many calls we get away with and how many we dont. I think its a stupid argument both ways. We all get mad when it happens against us and happy when its for us big deal. File this under the same listing for hypocritical fans and the steriod issue. Frankly for me its just win baby and guess what we have. Cant say the same for your team though can you. Have fun at the draft, oh by the way we are gonna win the SB for the 4th time in 7 years and we pick a total of 1 pick after you do. Hows that for falling in **** and smelling like roses!?
Make it snappy up there so we can make our draft pick and take the guy who will be the next great Patriot!

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Yes and I acknowledged the fact that some people recognized the truth -- wish you'd read more carefully -- so please, enough with the tired old "troll" ploy. The point was, even those who admitted he got away with it still shrugged it off as nothing -- quite a difference from the way you all reacted when you thought OTHER teams got the ref charity.

The bigger point -- I was challenged here to show proof of my claim that no teams gets calls like the Pats. Well hoot! there it is! For all to see (except the refs for some strange reason) this past Sunday.

But you are wrong.

 

[TheDoggfather]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

The ref saw it, and called nothing, because IT WASNT A PENALTY.
Vrabel was being blocked, went to the ground, and Rivers ran into his legs.
There is absolutely no blatant attempt to trip. Vrabels legs were in the natural position he went to the ground in.
It simply was not a penalty.

Dude, I'm sorry... but, are you serious?! Dig the YouTube video I just posted...

"Vrabels legs were in the natural position he went to the ground in."... Classic!

 

[BradyToMoss]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Like I said, I had to laugh at Pats fans with the nerve to moan about calls they claim the Colts and Steelers got (ESPECIALLY Super Bowl XL) because NO team has benefitted from ref charity like New England.

You all laughed and challenged me to give proof -- well there it was Sunday, in the form of the MOST OBVIOUS NON-CALL IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.

Though I shouldn't even have to name it (being so obvious) let's just say what Vrabel got away with in full view of the refs is BEYOND ridiculous.

Some of you more honest types have even admitted Vrabel should've been nailed for tripping, but shrugged it off as "oh well that's the way it goes." Funny you didn't take that attitude with other teams -- no this place was a madhouse of moaning and indignation after certain games involving OTHER teams (ESPECIALLY Super Bowl XL). Well, boys and girls, nothing that happened in those games even comes CLOSE to the Vrabel non-call. C'mon where's all the righteous indignation and concern for the integrity of the game now? (Oh right, this time your guys benefitted, so none of that stuff really matters.)

Instead of San Diego getting an automatic first down and driving, the Pats (wrongly) get the ball on a pick and then score -- this is the single BIGGEST play of the game, and it was BOGUS. No way Vrabel should've gotten away with that kind of garbage. And I repeat, this was the single BIGGEST determination of who won this game. At the very least, that's 7 off the board for New England, and probably at least 3 for San Diego. Final score was 21-12; you do the math.

You wanted your proof? You got it. Go ahead and argue -- I dare you.

First of all, let's call it like it really is. 21-12 would not have been the actual score, you do realize that the Pats literally held on to the ball for the last 9 minutes of the game and VERY EASILY could have at the very least kicked a field goal or more than likely scored a TD within the last 5 minutes. They chose not too and instead ran basic dives and took knees, don't let 21-12 fool you my friend.

As far as the calls go, what I witnessed myself first hand in the Colt games at the RCA Dome was the most outrageous form of officating bias towards the Colts and Bill Polian that I have seen in my 30 years of watching professional football. It redefined the term BOGUS. The Pats would have blown the Colts out of that stadium if that game was called even remotely fair. What the poor Chargers had to face at the RCA Dome was just as bad, stealing Cromartie's touchdown on that invisible holding call, it was bogus, all of it.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Point of clarification -- "trip" and "leg whip" are different things.

At most, this was a tripping foul.

If I had been the R, I would not have called it. Tripping is one of the very few rules left in the NFL rule book that requires a finding of intent. By and large, the NFL has attempted to remove all such rules, with the most notable one being grounding -- that now is based solely on objective criteria.

But leg to leg contact must be intentional to be a foul. No replay I've seen establishes this for me. I would have kept the flag in my pocket.

Now, before anyone jumps all over me for being a homer, I have frequently defended the referrees in this forum when other pats fans go balistic about calls. Triplette was right on top of the play. He has one job right there -- to stay right on top of the QB and call infractions on the QB. He didn't "miss" it. He just didn't call it. Presumption on "intent" fouls is not to call it.

The other thing that you can just never get through to fans is that there is a huge difference between whether one suspects a foul was committed and whether one should call it.

I see play on here. Then again, I didn't see very much worth bellyaching about during the AFC Championship Game last year except the no-contact "faceguard" PI.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

Lots of teams get lots of calls - and the benefit of non-calls - because the refs, generally speaking, SUCK BAWLS in the NFL. It's NEVER a conspiracy, it's ALWAYS incompetence. People read way too much into that stuff.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

because the refs, generally speaking, SUCK BAWLS in the NFL. [snip] it's ALWAYS incompetence.

Seriously, how many games have you officiated?

Do you have any idea just how amazingly great these guys really are?

I get that we're fans and so it's our job to keep on the refs, but I'd love it if everyone with this opinion could try just one NFL play as the umpire or side judge.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Like I said, Pats fans should NEVER complain about other teams getting ref charit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bplFfY75co

Video evidence to the contrary, my friend.

When I was watching the game, I thought Rivers was under a tremendous amount of pressure. Turns out he wasn't... just that he had Vrabel kicking at his leg that had no ACL in it.

I might be nitpicking, but, it looks to me that that was a tad more than, "sticking his foot out"... and by the by, he did trip Rivers.

You're disagreeing with a guy who said it wasn't a leg whip.

He didn't say he didn't trip Rivers.

Do you even know the difference between tripping and a leg whip?

This is the first time I've seen the play (thanks for putting it up on YouTube by the way, so I can figure out what the commotion is about).