The Fundamental Difference Between Kraft and Irsay

[makewayhomer]

first off, the profanity filter seems to be down

secondly, ban this turd once and for all...he's been here for months and every post is confrontational, argumentative and disruptive.

don't forget "true"

 

[pheenix11]

Don't waste your time with makewayforhomos, he is a troll in sheep's clothing.

 

[makewayhomer]

He never intended to move; he wanted Mass to do some infrastructure improvements.

Gillette was not publicly funded.

Now stfu.

I'll stfu when you recognize that he SIGNED A DEAL to move.

he had to pay $2.4 million dollars b/c he broke the deal that he signed to move.

 

[Truck]

I think its a testiment to massachusetts residents that we don't bend over backgrounds to spend billions financing stadiums.

Sports teams make a ****load of money. So much so that they can spend a 100 million on 40 employees. Then they want the towns to finance the buildings they work in.

And the precence of the stadium isn't going to lead to a billion dollars of extra tax revenue from increased commerce (because if it was going to you wouldn't have to raise taxes on all the other crap).

 

[PonyExpress]

Pony I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you think the Jags have ZERO chance tonight

Watch and learn.

 

[makewayhomer]

Watch and learn.

and like I said, if they have ZERO chance, you should open up a sport betting account online, and bet your entire life savings on the Pats. you only need to bet $8.70 to win $1!

eeeeeeeeeeeezzeeeeeeee money!

 

[rodrust]

The Fundamental Difference Between Kraft and Irsay.. one is Jewish and the other isn't.

 

[TripleOption]

I'll stfu when you recognize that he SIGNED A DEAL to move.

he had to pay $2.4 million dollars b/c he broke the deal that he signed to move.

I think you'll stfu when they ban you because you are an a-hole.

He never wanted to move.

 

[shmessy]

We got lucky, Shmessy. We were not saved by Saint Bob. The present situation did not happen by design as much as it happened by the owners following the money, and the path of the money got convoluted.

The Krafts tried to beat MA for public funds, then they tried to bolt for CT, and now they charge fifty bucks to park, which amounts to (for 20k cars) a million dollars a game for parking.

Sweet, but I fail to see how this is so much better than Irsay. I fail to see the big heart for the fans there. Big ticket prices, 50 bucks to park, blah blah blah, let's not annoint these guys to sainthood.

B.S.

They never tried to beat MA for public funds. The stadium in Southie would have been built with the same 100% from the Krafts as Gillette (actually, would have cost more because of land purchasing, etc.). All the Krafts got and needed was road infrastructure (approximately 15% of the entire deal) - - road infrastructure that, by the way, benefits the state on the 353 days of the year when there are not any games.

Even when the Southies spat in his face, he still would have only moved the team 70 miles to Hartford, which is in New England for your information.

Equating that with what the Irsays have done over the past 23 years is patently ridiculous.

 

[makewayhomer]

I think you'll stfu when they ban you because you are an a-hole.

He never wanted to move.

he never wanted to...but he signed a deal to do exactly that. ok.

I guess I'm an ahole for stating facts that homer fanboys don't want to hear. apologies.

 

[shmessy]

Bob Kraft signed the deal to move the team out of state, then ****ed over CT by reversing the deal. what a saint.

"Out of state"???????

They are not the Massachusetts Patriots. They would always be the New England Patriots.

BTW, since you're equating them with the Irsays here, when did Kraft move a team in the middle of the night 800 miles away? When did he get $726 million from a prairie, run down state by threatening to move to Los Angeles?

 

[TripleOption]

he never wanted to...but he signed a deal to do exactly that. ok.

I guess I'm an ahole for stating facts that homer fanboys don't want to hear. apologies.

You're an a-hole because you are putting your own spin on a situation you know nothing about. If Kraft doesn't buy the Pats, they move to St Louis. He didn't take public funds to build Gillette.

If you don't like "homers", go on your own teams website, you complete f*ckball.

 

[makewayhomer]

You're an a-hole because you are putting your own spin on a situation you know nothing about. If Kraft doesn't buy the Pats, they move to St Louis. He didn't take public funds to build Gillette.

If you don't like "homers", go on your own teams website, you complete f*ckball.

lol, ok, I'll stop now so you can pick up your pom poms again.

when you're done, go learn the difference between 'spin' and 'fact'

 

[shmessy]

lol, ok, I'll stop now so you can pick up your pom poms again.

when you're done, go learn the difference between 'spin' and 'fact'

Wanna learn what "Facts" are?:

Kraft: $73.7 million dollars for town road infrastructure from the state. FULLY privately funded stadium in the middle of nowhere, where no sane person on earth would sink $375 million to base his NFL team. Never, ever threatened to move the team outside of New England. Took a MUCH lower dollar deal (over $900 million lower) from Massachusetts than what he had from Hartford (has an Irsay EVER done anything close to that?)

Irsay: Left Baltimore in the dark (literally) took a HUGE payout from Indianapolis along with a state of the art domed stadium. DID NOT change the name of the team (which reflects MARYLAND'S character - - not Indianapolis'). Then held up Indianapolis not 23 years later for $726 million, under threat of moving 2,300 miles away to Los Angeles.

You can't face the facts because you are spinning so hard.

You think it's cute to insult everyone's intelligence with your simplistic, off-base argument. Perhaps you just don't know any better because (unlike Massachusetts) all of Indiana's school budgets have been rerouted to its NFL team the past two decades.

You only insult yourself.

 

[TripleOption]

lol, ok, I'll stop now so you can pick up your pom poms again.

when you're done, go learn the difference between 'spin' and 'fact'

Ban the troll.

 

[Wretch]

lol, ok, I'll stop now so you can pick up your pom poms again.

when you're done, go learn the difference between 'spin' and 'fact'

Guy the only things I've read that you posted in are in this thread, and I will say you are absolutely stating spin not fact.

Kraft may have thought about moving the team to CT, but CT is still New England. Irsay moved the colts out of Baltimore, you know the city where Johnny Unitas played, in the middle of the night. Irsay is in the same class as Art Modell and Al Davis. Which is to say they have none.

All left communities that supported their teams and provided them with plenty of revenue to go to greener pastures. I understand that the NFL is a business and the owner have a right to make a profit, but that doesn't mean we as fans have to give them a pass for being more concerned with profit than their fan base.

There is a point where it is possible to go from being a devil's advocate to being a troll and I think you passed it during your posts on this topic.

 

[TripleOption]

I'll stfu when you recognize that he SIGNED A DEAL to move.

he had to pay $2.4 million dollars b/c he broke the deal that he signed to move.

Do you have a link?

 

[shmessy]

It's now been 30 minutes since makewayhomer told us he knew the difference between "fact" and "spin".

Looks like the cat got his tongue now.

 

[TripleOption]

By the way, the only source I can find that mentions the $2.4 million is wikipedia, and if you click on the reference link, it make NO mention of the fine...in fact, it says:

"Just two days before a deadline, Mr. Kraft exercised escape clause in the November agreement, giving him the right to back out of the deal with no financial penalty."

 

[bpeter17]

You guys seem to like to ban anyone who doesn't completely agree with you in a football fascistic kind of way--really odd and something I've never seen on any other team's board for that matter.....

agreed, it is really odd actually. I've been on a handful of other boards (and lots of time on my teams board) but have never seen the short fuses that many have around here. The guy was having a legit argument with real ideas, not sure why that deserves banning.

As for Kraft, to compare a situation in Boston and Indianapolis is a bit of a stretch. It is really apples to oranges.

Boston can support a few thousand people paying $400 per game for tickets. Indianapolis cannot.

Boston can afford to charge their fans $50 for parking. Indianapolis cannot.

And a city like Indy (like many other smaller cities with pro sports teams) feels like they NEED the team in order to keep their city vibrant and to keep up their image. It is a waste of money, but that is how these cities think. Let's be honest, 10 years ago most of Boston really wasn't that bothered by the possibility of the pats going to Hartford. Real fans cared, but it wasn't the end of the world in Boston like it was in Cleveland when the Browns left.

So Kraft held the state hostage to some degree, got $75million from the state for improvements, spent $400 million on a stadium with a very nice loan from the NFL and is charging $50 for parking.

Irsay is no Saint, but neither is Kraft.

hope that doesn't get me banned.