One Mans Opinion Not to Vote for Brady (MVP)

[Mark Morse]

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...08/01/08/favre_over_brady_a_voters_reasoning/

This story appeared in today's Globe.

When I first heard that one voter didn't vote for Tom Brady for MVP, I was outraged. I was further dismayed when I found out it was from the Sports Xchange, a service I subscribe to for draft info. How could someone not vote for the record smashing leader of the undefeated Patriots.

My original thought was another backlash at the Patriots just because they are so good and this voter was jealous. I couldn't be more wrong!

Frank Cooney carefully thought out what it meant to be an MVP and his reasoning is as follows:

"First, let's be clear that this award is a distinctly individual honor in the ultimate team sport, which makes it extremely difficult to sort out in the first place," he wrote in an e-mail.

"As such, it cannot be based on statistics, which reap their own rewards. The term we are addressing here is Most Valuable Player, which I take to mean most valuable to one's team. It is, at best, an awkward phrase to evaluate, let alone quantify or justify. But, again, mere statistics should not be the sole basis of consideration.

"Tom Brady is a great player on a great team filled with great players in a highly-evolved system and a proven, veteran coach. That team, that franchise was expected to win 14 games and it won 16. Brady was awesome behind an awesome line and with awesome wide receivers in a great system


I still think Brady should be the MVP, but I can respect Frank Cooney's opinion and vote for what he considered the MVP.

 

[Pats Fan in Indy]

I think he's blowing smoke up our asses.

 

[primetime]

The offensive line is hardly awesome. What's with everyone out there thinking this is the 1993 Dallas Cowboys offensive line? It's not, it's average aside from two guys (Koppen and Mankins). The QB makes the line look better by zipping it out so quickly and moving in the pocket real well. How many throws has Brady made off his back foot or after dodging a rusher?

 

[Oswlek]

Fair enough.

So I have to assume that he voted for Brady last year, then, right?

Or that he never once voted for Peyton Manning, right?

 

[bradmahn]

The Packers are a pretty talented team as well. They have a very deep, very talented group of receivers; an underrated offensive line; and loads of talent on defense; why doesn't that detract from Favre's season? Because the prognosticators were wrong at the beginning of the season Favre deserves the MVP at the end of it? How productive were Randy Moss and Wes Welker without Tom Brady last year? The Patriots offensive line is good, but if they were protecting anyone other than Tom Brady they would be considered relatively average.

Which quarterback cost their team a game with ridiculous interceptions and ill-advised throws against their top conference rival? All in all, Brady won it 49-1, I'm not going to feel slighted because one sports writer got it wrong.

 

[PatriotsReign]

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...08/01/08/favre_over_brady_a_voters_reasoning/

This story appeared in today's Globe.

When I first heard that one voter didn't vote for Tom Brady for MVP, I was outraged. I was further dismayed when I found out it was from the Sports Xchange, a service I subscribe to for draft info. How could someone not vote for the record smashing leader of the undefeated Patriots.

My original thought was another backlash at the Patriots just because they are so good and this voter was jealous. I couldn't be more wrong!

Frank Cooney carefully thought out what it meant to be an MVP and his reasoning is as follows:

"First, let's be clear that this award is a distinctly individual honor in the ultimate team sport, which makes it extremely difficult to sort out in the first place," he wrote in an e-mail.

"As such, it cannot be based on statistics, which reap their own rewards. The term we are addressing here is Most Valuable Player, which I take to mean most valuable to one's team. It is, at best, an awkward phrase to evaluate, let alone quantify or justify. But, again, mere statistics should not be the sole basis of consideration.

"Tom Brady is a great player on a great team filled with great players in a highly-evolved system and a proven, veteran coach. That team, that franchise was expected to win 14 games and it won 16. Brady was awesome behind an awesome line and with awesome wide receivers in a great system


I still think Brady should be the MVP, but I can respect Frank Cooney's opinion and vote for what he considered the MVP.

The writer should have asked Cooney how many games he thought the Pats would have won without Brady.

 

[Oswlek]

The offensive line is hardly awesome. What's with everyone out there thinking this is the 1993 Dallas Cowboys offensive line? It's not, it's average aside from two guys (Koppen and Mankins). The QB makes the line look better by zipping it out so quickly and moving in the pocket real well. How many throws has Brady made off his back foot or after dodging a rusher?

For the first 8 games or so, this might have been the best pass blocking OL of all time. I really mean that. I would count at least 5 plays a game where Brady had 7+ seconds without even needing to scramble.

Since then, whether it is due to blitzing or disguising rushers or just elevated play, the OL play has dropped back to very good. The amount of pressure that the Giants got on Brady would have led to just about every other QB in the league having a 17/39 256 1TD 2INT game.

Brady's greatness is what made people forget just how badly NY dominated the LOS.

 

[MRBLAZE]

The Packers are a pretty talented team as well. They have a very deep, very talented group of receivers; an underrated offensive line; and loads of talent on defense; why doesn't that detract from Favre's season? Because the prognosticators were wrong at the beginning of the season Favre deserves the MVP at the end of it? How productive were Randy Moss and Wes Welker without Tom Brady last year? The Patriots offensive line is good, but if they were protecting anyone other than Tom Brady they would be considered relatively average.

Which quarterback cost their team a game with ridiculous interceptions and ill-advised throws against their top conference rival? All in all, Brady won it 49-1, I'm not going to feel slighted because one sports writer got it wrong.

Good post. :rocker:

 

[Wildo7]

Fair enough.

So I have to assume that he voted for Brady last year, then, right?

Or that he never once voted for Peyton Manning, right?

aaahhh you beat me to it. That's exactly what I was thinking. Compare Brady's cast last year to Favre's this year, then compare what they did. If Favre gets his vote this year, then Brady should have run away with it last year.

He's just being a douchey contrarian like the voters who insist COY has to be a team that was struggling the previous year and now is just above .500. Heaven forbid the COY or MVP is so good that he makes his team great.

 

[Keegs]

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...08/01/08/favre_over_brady_a_voters_reasoning/


I still think Brady should be the MVP, but I can respect Frank Cooney's opinion and vote for what he considered the MVP.

Yeah, i respect his opinion like i respect a poo-dollar.

He's just talking out of his arse after the fact. His vote was b.s. and he should never be allowed to vote again.

If Brady had Favre's season and Manning was the one with 50 tds and 16-0 i would vote Manning without a doubt, and i hate him

it's so ridiculous that he didn't get all 50

 

[fair catch fryar]

Precisely! Not to be redundant, but like it's said, "Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one." He'll say that this year, but next year he'll reverse his "opinion" in order to justify his actions. There is no way Brady didn't deserve the MVP this year. If this guy really believes this then he should have voted for Brady last year.

 

[PonyExpress]

I really didn't care if Brady won the MVP, or broke the TD record, or set the total points record etc. Those kind of things are candy for Colt fans. But the reasoning of this Cooney fellow is ridiculous. He probably has a Brett Favre Fathead on his wall and wears Packer underoos.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I really didn't care if Brady won the MVP, or broke the TD record, or set the total points record etc. Those kind of things are candy for Colt fans. But the reasoning of this Cooney fellow is ridiculous. He probably has a Brett Favre Fathead on his wall and wears Packer underoos.

I HATE the Fathead commercials. That geek should be slapped

 

[Fanfrom1960]

Fair enough.

So I have to assume that he voted for Brady last year, then, right?

Or that he never once voted for Peyton Manning, right?

Good point. An analogy in baseball is that Alex Rodriguez should not win an MVP award with the Yankees is because he is surrounded by the best hitting team in baseball (so they can't pitch around him) and he had a hall of fame manager. And this:

"That team, that franchise was expected to win 14 games and it won 16."

Going from 14 to 16 is, you could say, infinitely (well not quite) harder because no team has ever done it. The one player on the Patriots that pulled out the games that almost were lost was undoubtedly Tom Brady. All the more reason he deserves the MVP more than Favre.

 

[emoney_33]

This is why they need to define MVP or something. Because idiots always twist the meaning of Most Valuable away from what it should be. How can you penalize a player for having good teammates and reward another for having bad teammates? It makes no sense. MVP should go to best player, period. People just use the "valuable" terminology to vote for who they WANT to vote for.

 

[sieglo]

Fair enough.

So I have to assume that he voted for Brady last year, then, right?

Or that he never once voted for Peyton Manning, right?

Exactly.

Someone mentioned on another thread that this guy hails from Wisconsin. I am not surprised. What actually surprises me is that Brady got 49 votes. Given the media behavior I see every day, I would have thought there are more delusional homers out there.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

For the first 8 games or so, this might have been the best pass blocking OL of all time. I really mean that. I would count at least 5 plays a game where Brady had 7+ seconds without even needing to scramble.

Since then, whether it is due to blitzing or disguising rushers or just elevated play, the OL play has dropped back to very good. The amount of pressure that the Giants got on Brady would have led to just about every other QB in the league having a 17/39 256 1TD 2INT game.

Brady's greatness is what made people forget just how badly NY dominated the LOS.

I agree. We did have the best pass blocking I have seen in the first 8 games. But these guys are who we thought they were. A hard working blue collar group of guys who mostly are not top pedigree. They played well as a unit this year, but not so consistently in previous years.

Give me a stud tackle in the draft and this line will instantly have more depth at all positions because we would have some positional flexiblity in there. Matt Light looks like a hell of a right tackle to me.

 

[Fixit]

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...08/01/08/favre_over_brady_a_voters_reasoning/

This story appeared in today's Globe.

When I first heard that one voter didn't vote for Tom Brady for MVP, I was outraged. I was further dismayed when I found out it was from the Sports Xchange, a service I subscribe to for draft info. How could someone not vote for the record smashing leader of the undefeated Patriots.

My original thought was another backlash at the Patriots just because they are so good and this voter was jealous. I couldn't be more wrong!

Frank Cooney carefully thought out what it meant to be an MVP and his reasoning is as follows:

"First, let's be clear that this award is a distinctly individual honor in the ultimate team sport, which makes it extremely difficult to sort out in the first place," he wrote in an e-mail.

"As such, it cannot be based on statistics, which reap their own rewards. The term we are addressing here is Most Valuable Player, which I take to mean most valuable to one's team. It is, at best, an awkward phrase to evaluate, let alone quantify or justify. But, again, mere statistics should not be the sole basis of consideration.

"Tom Brady is a great player on a great team filled with great players in a highly-evolved system and a proven, veteran coach. That team, that franchise was expected to win 14 games and it won 16. Brady was awesome behind an awesome line and with awesome wide receivers in a great system


I still think Brady should be the MVP, but I can respect Frank Cooney's opinion and vote for what he considered the MVP.

I'd like to know if he's ever voted for Brady. According to his criteria (most valuable to his team), he must have. If he hasn't, he's full of crap.

 

[borg]

It's all about "Man Love".

 

[Bostonian1962]

Fair enough.

So I have to assume that he voted for Brady last year, then, right?

Or that he never once voted for Peyton Manning, right?

Exactly. Sounds like words written to cover up a moronic move.